St. Mary's vs VCU

[SpiderTrap]

Word is the Odom deal is done.

Rhoades was offered $3.2MM at PSU and VCU countered at $2.6MM. Hearing that the problem was not the money, but the length of contract. Rhoades wanted longer, VCU said no. Interesting.

Odom is a good get for us. Look at his numbers and you see Utah St. with an offensive efficiency rank of 16 and a defensive rank of 60. Those are very good numbers. The problem will be can we keep our players together. At this point, nobody knows. We were set for next year with Rhoades. Lost Johns and Shriver, but they were both one year guys. Two have entered the portal- Banks and McAllister. Banks had his moments this year but was playing behind much better options. McAllister was actually a senior, but only played part of one year as he was injured each year. We have four scholarships to fill, plus who leaves because of the Rhoades departure. But the portal is out there for the new coach to dip into.

Not worried. It is the program that counts. One player or coach, while it could make a difference marginally, won't kill us. We have been through this before.

Got to give hats off to our AD. He was ready and moved so fast that we were hearing Odom as the new coach before we could confirm that Rhoades was gone.

Glad to see Chris is back on the job, doing well. When I first heard about the PSU job opening up, he was the first one I thought about being a good candidate.

Good luck- Looking forward to next year already.

The length of the deal is the MONEY Problem that VCU can't currently do - especially since they are struggling on all fronts right now with declining admissions and having to raise tuition. They probably offered the 2.6, but only for 4-5 years, because that is all they could commit right now. Or they could probably have said - take your 1.7 million for 7-8 years - but at the end of the day an extra 600K per year for 5 years is 3 million dollars - a nice problem for Rhoades to have.

But 100% right on your VCU AD. If they hire Odom and have that deal ready, then he showed his worth. Made an effort to keep Rhoades, but knew if it didn't happen - be prepared and next man up. Very good hire if it all goes through and likely another coach that will own UR.

 

[GKiller]

Looks like South Florida knows Odom is headed to VCU.

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That's a good secondary option after Odom. I liked Abdur-Rahim, he's impressive imo. I didn't really get the supposedly strong Odom interest in that job except that he wanted back on East Coast.

 

[Ferrum Spider]

We're holding steady at 75% against VCU in this "rivalry". Lets hope it doesn't get to Tech-UVA football bad.

 

[97spiderfan]

VCU is gonna completely changeover their entire coaching staff in about 48 hours. Odom will come in, gave a great presser, VCU will make a big deal out of locally and nationally, their AD will be super visible, talking about their brand. Odom will either bring a couple of his top players/recruits from Utah St or just go out and make hay in the portal. VCU fans will be fired up, for the new era.

Meanwhile, we get a couple stories in the RTD (which few read) on Mooney's ongoing surgery recovery and how we navigated through this tumultuous time, our AD will go back into hiding for the next 6 months, and we don't even have a brand, unless you consider "temper your expectations", well then I guess we do.

Buckle up Spider fans, VCU is about to show us yet again, how you operate a successful D-1 basketball program.

 

[SpiderTrap]

But I also wonder too - if Rhoades leaves, how much of his staff goes with him and does anyone stay as I always felt he had strong assistants as well.

 

[plydogg]

but my question would be how does that make him an upgrade over Rhoades?

Here’s my answer to this.

Odom has more tourney wins as a 16 seed than Rhoades has as any seed

 

[spiderman]

I'm more surprised that VCU offered Rhoades $2.6M to stay than anything else.
that's big time program money. isn't that substantially more than any team in the A10?
any word on how much Odom will be getting?

 

[SFspidur]

I'm more surprised that VCU offered Rhoades $2.6M to stay than anything else.
that's big time program money. isn't that substantially more than any team in the A10?

Ford is supposedly in that range.

 

[97spiderfan]

I'm more surprised that VCU offered Rhoades $2.6M to stay than anything else.
that's big time program money. isn't that substantially more than any team in the A10?
any word on how much Odom will be getting?

It's a lot for sure, but VCU is constantly getting NCAA money for making the tournament and then have you checked out their season ticket prices down there. You can pay a guy more money when the program he runs is bringing in money.

Meanwhile, season tickets at UR cost what $175, about the same as they have for the past 15 years and we give away boatloads of tickets to every youth group, church, school, senior system complex in the greater Richmond area.

 

[8legs1dream]

I'm more surprised that VCU offered Rhoades $2.6M to stay than anything else.
that's big time program money. isn't that substantially more than any team in the A10?
any word on how much Odom will be getting?

SLU pays a hefty sum for Little Travis, not sure the exact amount though

 

[97spiderfan]

I'm more surprised that VCU offered Rhoades $2.6M to stay than anything else.
that's big time program money. isn't that substantially more than any team in the A10?
any word on how much Odom will be getting?

Newsflash: VCU is a big time program. They act like one, they spend like one, they win like one.

 

[SFspidur]

Available 990s are a couple of years old, but Ford was consistently in the $2.3–$2.4m range.

 

[8legs1dream]

Newsflash: VCU is a big time program. They act like one, they spend like one, they win like one.

and they are firmly entrenched right in their backyard!
or maybe we are the ones hiding in theirs.

 

[spiderman]

It's a lot for sure, but VCU is constantly getting NCAA money for making the tournament ...

how does the A10 handle NCAA money these days? even split like most conferences, or does the team participating get the bulk?

 

[SFspidur]

 

[97spiderfan]

how does the A10 handle NCAA money these days? even split like most conferences, or does the team participating get the bulk?

Good question, I'm not sure.

 

[SFspidur]

how does the A10 handle NCAA money these days? even split like most conferences, or does the team participating get the bulk?

I believe the earning team gets 70%, with the remaining 30% distributed to the other schools. Not sure if the conference holds any back for its own use.

 

[97spiderfan]

I do hope Rhoades knows what he is stepping into. Nearly every significant piece on their team was a senior this year and since Shrewsberry left, I think almost of all of their incoming recruits and most of their young players have been in the portal. Hopefully, Rhoades can convince some of them to stay, otherwise, he is looking at a complete rebuild at a program not known for caring or being successful at basketball.

 

[SpiderTrap]

For 3+million per year, I will rebuild my house. And I have never built anything in my life or cut a piece of lumber with any electrical saw of any sort. But you pay me - and I will try to do it.

 

[SFspidur]

No time wasted.

 

[spiderman]

I believe the earning team gets 70%, with the remaining 30% distributed to the other schools. Not sure if the conference holds any back for its own use.

that's disappointing. so even less reason to root for VCU in March Madness ... like I needed a reason.

 

[GKiller]

No time wasted.

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As MO would say but where is the guiding principles subcommittee? Ours just got us a new June Aprille hire of provost w the academic trifecta background of Tufts GW & NYU. That’s better than the trifecta I once hit on Derby Day at the old OTB on Broad St. Mike Winiecki was there. He confirmed for me we weren’t getting AD Vassallo into school. Would have taken Vassallo over the tri.

 

[Mo 2.0]

that's disappointing. so even less reason to root for VCU in March Madness ... like I needed a reason.

That arrangement is how the A-10 was able to convince VCU to join the league. And it has certainly worked out for VCU.

I was under the impression it was 75% and not 70% but we're close enough for government work.

 

[urmite]

how does the A10 handle NCAA money these days? even split like most conferences, or does the team participating get the bulk?

I always thought it was 75% to participating team for the Top 8 or 9 conference. 50/50 for most of the other 20+ conferences...

 

[urmite]

As MO would say but where is the guiding principles subcommittee? Ours just got us a new June Aprille hire of provost w the academic trifecta background of Tufts GW & NYU. That’s better than the trifecta I once hit on Derby Day at the old OTB on Broad St. Mike Winiecki was there. He confirmed for me we weren’t getting AD Vassallo into school. Would have taken Vassallo over the tri.

But not better than my trifecta of Furman, Princeton & Fairleigh Dickinson in the opening round.
I bet my Net Worth.
Elon now sees me approaching in his rear view mirror...

 

[SFspidur]

7 years, almost $25 million for Rhoades...so yeah, not just the $3.5m salary, but that length. Sheesh.

Penn State hires Mike Rhoades: VCU coach took Rams to three out of last four NCAA Tournaments

Rhoades replaces Micah Shrewsberry, who recently left to take the open position at Notre Dame

www.cbssports.com

 

[Eight Legger]

Not sure why VCU would have even gone to $2.6M for Rhoades if they could get Odom for probably $1M less per year. Maybe the offer to Rhoades was 1 year/$2.6M lol.

 

[spiderman]

I always thought it was 75% to participating team for the Top 8 or 9 conference. 50/50 for most of the other 20+ conferences...

few years old but ...

How much money do colleges make off the NCAA tournament?

The Big Dance is nearly a billion-dollar endeavor, but figuring out how much schools earn is tricky.

www.sbnation.com

"Per the NCAA, conferences are urged to distribute the money equally, but they aren’t required to do so. "

in the CAA: “the conference keeps the money it is guaranteed every year thanks to its automatic bid, and any more money gets split in half, with one half getting split among the 10 schools, and the other half doled out competitively through an “excellence fund.”

Gonzaga complains about the revenue sharing since they bring in most of it in their conference.

I read somewhere that the ACC shares equally. cant find it now.

 

[SFspidur]

I always thought it was 75% to participating team for the Top 8 or 9 conference. 50/50 for most of the other 20+ conferences...

Actually, the P5 conferences tend to split it equally, as do most other conferences. For P5s, that money is almost a rounding error compared to TV and bowl revenue, so they just split it among everyone to support the conference.

Smaller conferences also tend to split equally as that money is the lifeline for all schools and there's only one bid to be had. It's the mid-level conferences like us that are more likely to have an unequal split to try to encourage teams to really incentivize pushing for at-large bids. Or sometimes like in Gonzaga's case, they have enough leverage to use unequal sharing as a bargaining chip...we go every year, so give us the lion's share of the money or we might have to explore changing conferences.

 

[GKiller]

Not sure why VCU would have even gone to $2.6M for Rhoades if they could get Odom for probably $1M less per year. Maybe the offer to Rhoades was 1 year/$2.6M lol.

They were probably like don’t bother w PSU picking u up for presser we’ll give u a lift & still let u expense it all.

Dark day for us Spiders. Maybe we’ll beat VCU in 2028 after Odom leaves for unc Duke uva KY or IU.

 

[spiderman]

Dark day for us Spiders.

lol ... VCU losing Rhoades and hiring Odom shouldn't even be a blip on your radar.

 

[SpiderGuy]

He would be a fool to not exercise the leverage he has in this situation. I think he gets paid big no matter what happens.

Well, his results are 3 NCAA appearances in 6 years at VCU. And I believe they were already looking at extension. He’s a producer. Good for him whatever he decides. He’s in the driver’s seat.

On the other hand, we are 3 in 18 years.

 

[VT4700]

Not sure why VCU would have even gone to $2.6M for Rhoades if they could get Odom for probably $1M less per year. Maybe the offer to Rhoades was 1 year/$2.6M lol.

Because they know what they had with Rhoades, and felt confident more times than not, he would have them at the top 1 or 2 in the A-10 (2 1sts and 2 2nds in 6 years). You guys can talk up Odom all you want and maybe he will do a great job there, but there is still the unknown, and I would be surprised if he does as well as Rhoades did. Time will tell.

 

[VT4700]

lol ... VCU losing Rhoades and hiring Odom shouldn't even be a blip on your radar.

Yep, at this point I don't think it matters what happens in the basketball world, you can bet on seeing someone on here using that to make an anti Richmond or anti Mooney post.

 

[GKiller]

lol ... VCU losing Rhoades and hiring Odom shouldn't even be a blip on your radar.

Too much? Ok, bad day. But I think the gap between schools just got a lot bigger. & it was already big. I wanted Odom since 2018 and we really could have had him. Opportunity lost u can never get back. Now gotta watch that dude eat at VCU. Look I hope I'm wrong. But I'll live bc I'm on pins & needles waiting for the reports out of the 4:30 bob black show! With today's news Mooney should be bumped except we employ Philly Bob.

 

[GKiller]

Yep, at this point I don't think it matters what happens in the basketball world, you can bet on seeing someone on here using that to make an anti Richmond or Mooney post.

This isn't just the basketball world this is our next door neighbor rival who is 24-8 vs Mooney and goes to the ncaa FOUR times as frequently as us during the Mooney era. It's very relevant. On their 6th coach and we can't figure it out with a coach 19 years at the same place. Should not make sense.

 

[VT4700]

They were probably like don’t bother w PSU picking u up for presser we’ll give u a lift & still let u expense it all.

Dark day for us Spiders. Maybe we’ll beat VCU in 2028 after Odom leaves for unc Duke uva KY or IU.

So, did every power conference team get their hire wrong when they hired someone else instead of Odom? You and others are making him out to be the best coach in college basketball. Can he recruit? 3 of his main guys at Utah St this year were from the previous staff. 2 more were transfers, one from UMBC. Good for him to land some transfers, but I think there is a lot of unknown with Odom. Could he do well? Sure, but I don't see why some on here are guaranteeing that.

 

[Spider B]

Because they know what they had with Rhoades, and felt confident more times than not, he would have them at the top 1 or 2 in the A-10 (2 1sts and 2 2nds in 6 years). You guys can talk up Odom all you want and maybe he will do a great job there, but there is still the unknown, and I would be surprised if he does as well as Rhoades did. Time will tell.

Do you feel confident that more times than not our coach will have us in the top 1 or 2 in the A10? If so, you need your head examined. If not, you should be calling for new leadership in the UR program.

 

[VT4700]

Too much? Ok, bad day. But I think the gap between schools just got a lot bigger. & it was already big. I wanted Odom since 2018 and we really could have had him. Opportunity lost u can never get back. Now gotta watch that dude eat at VCU. Look I hope I'm wrong. But I'll live bc I'm on pins & needles waiting for the reports out of the 4:30 bob black show! With today's news Mooney should be bumped except we employ Philly Bob.

The gap just got a lot bigger? So, you are saying he will do better than Rhoades' 8-4 record against us? You think he will get better players there than Rhoades did? You think he will do better than 2 1sts and 2 2nds in his first 6 years there? Let me help you with these: nope, no chance, and nope.

 

[wr70beh]

lol ... VCU losing Rhoades and hiring Odom shouldn't even be a blip on your radar.

It’s more of a reminder that they’re QBs in this city and this conference and we’re just struggling to make the cut.