Agree on all of this. Which does not make me optimistic with the near term future of our league.
St. Mary's vs VCU
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DC is certainly a recruiting hotbed, but ya, it's been over 15 years since the Hoyas made it to the second weekend of the tournament (granted, that was a Final Four run).
The programs really do seem to have pretty similar potential these days, but G-town apparently has deep enough pockets ($6 million per is what Fox Sports says) to tip the balance.
The programs really do seem to have pretty similar potential these days, but G-town apparently has deep enough pockets ($6 million per is what Fox Sports says) to tip the balance.
Kim English being named as one of the primary targets for Providence. If I'm Providence, I would not be super happy based upon what English has done at Mason thus far. Think they can do better. Just keep your dirty hands of Shrewsberry.
I wasn't sure Georgetown could get Cooley either but they do have deep pockets there. And I know this is not the first time Gtown has been after Cooley either. Story...have a U of R buddy who met Cooley back in Sept for a PC golf fundraiser. His bro went to PC & involved there. He was introduced to Cooley by his bro who said that he went to Richmond. Cooley says "great school just 28 points short". Again this was 6 months after our NCAA loss. Gotta respect that line. Cooley just out there roasting.
Funny story Gkiller, I do appreciate that roast haha.
I know a guy - his son's AAU team was doing some workouts at PC and Cooley was watching and my friend chatted with him. Said he was really straight shooter and providing feedback on the kids, etc. Not sugar coating it.
From the projo article, sounds like he has $6 million reasons to make the move. I do respect it, I feel like he ramped up nicely at PC , but ready to try something new. Wish other coaches would try this
. Of course some coaches now don't have the option to earn like that. Winning will do that.
I know a guy - his son's AAU team was doing some workouts at PC and Cooley was watching and my friend chatted with him. Said he was really straight shooter and providing feedback on the kids, etc. Not sugar coating it.
From the projo article, sounds like he has $6 million reasons to make the move. I do respect it, I feel like he ramped up nicely at PC , but ready to try something new. Wish other coaches would try this
. Of course some coaches now don't have the option to earn like that. Winning will do that.
Agree with what someone else pointed out, English looks and acts the part of a winner, young, former NBA guy, but has not actually won much. They barely knocked us out of the A10 tourney, then went out and got shellacked by a middling SLU team. I heard Providence was paying Cooley 4.5 mil, so guessing English getting 2+, so even if he never wins big - like at GMU - he will be well compensated.
I don't know that we've seen enough of English to know if he can get it done on the court. They certainly improved from year one to year two, so they're heading in the right direction. Seems like he was doing well on the recruiting front, so things definitely trending well.
Still think he should have had another year or two of proving himself before bigger jobs came his way, but I also understanding wanting to grab him now before others do.
Still think he should have had another year or two of proving himself before bigger jobs came his way, but I also understanding wanting to grab him now before others do.
Sheesh, thanks. But ya, all the "sources" have been saying it's done, though nothing is official until it is, and even then sometimes it's not lol.
Georgetown certainly has the potential and pedigree to be a national player again in ways that Providence probably doesn't. Cooley would know that as well as anyone, which is why he made the move.
Rhoades has a daughter who is a junior in high school at my kid’s school and would be pretty surprised if he bolted .. plus seems like he has a pretty good thing going at Vcu until a few more pass and he hasn’t won a ncaa game
Cooley is an impressive dude. Check out his presser from yesterday if you have a few minutes. I would think guys would be ready to run through a wall for him after hearing that.
Cooley introductory presser
Cooley introductory presser
it was a great speach.
I just get skeptical when a guy talks about how tough a decision it was. to leave the place he built and the players he recruited.
I get the respect he had for John Thompson. but I don't feel this is a step up in level, where he can get to somewhere at Georgetown that he couldn't get to at Providence. you can win at Providence. and he did.
I just get skeptical when a guy talks about how tough a decision it was. to leave the place he built and the players he recruited.
I get the respect he had for John Thompson. but I don't feel this is a step up in level, where he can get to somewhere at Georgetown that he couldn't get to at Providence. you can win at Providence. and he did.
Rhoades was mentioned 2 years ago with the PSU job. I don't see a fit. Penn State needs a big name or a big personality to move the needle up there. Rhoades is neither.
And talk about a different environment from VCU, which has a rabid fan base, to Penn State which plays in front of half full arena on most nights at a school where basketball is not just second to football, but probably even some olympic sports.
The difference is that Georgetown is in DC and has been a national brand. Providence never has been and likely never will be. He took Providence about as far as he could.
Georgetown is a sleeping giant in a town that's always hungry for a giant. And I'm sure they compensated him quite handsomely.
Agreed, it is lateral in the sense that they are in the same conference. Boston College and UNC are in the same conference though and that would not be seen as a lateral move.
It will be interesting if he can get Georgetown back to a level they were under John Thompson, which was a LONG time ago.
While it was a long time ago, providence made the final 4 in 1987 under Pitino so they have had success albeit infrequent
I was wrong about Rhodes. Who would have thought the A10 would lose 2 coaches to P6 teams after this “quality” season.
I don't think this is a great hire. Rhoades is OK, pretty good, but it will be a tough road for him.
Life-changing money. Two years and his family is set for generations. You have to take a swing at that pitch.
Is it though? He’s making $1.8 million at VCU. His life is already changed.
If he hasn’t reached that arbitrary level yet but PSU sets his family up for generations in two years, VCU does it in four. It’s not like we’re talking a 5x-10x salary increase.
I don’t know if it’s the right or wrong move, but I feel like if you’re already making VCU money, it’s gotta be about more than just the money to make that move. It’s a consideration, but I’m not making the move unless everything else lines up too, which it may in his view.
I am more in agreement that this is not a home run for Penn State. I think Rhoades is a solid coach, but to 97s point not sure he is a guy that can move the needle enough at PSU to win and go to NCAA'S very often.
When you say big name, what examples would you include? What big name would go to Penn St? Why would a big name go from a big name hoops school to PSU? I think Rhoades has proven he is an outstanding coach, and this would be a great hire for them. With the A-10 becoming less relevant, he is probably ready to give it a shot playing teams like Michigan, MSU, Iowa, Purdue, and Wisconsin. A lot of his VCU teams would have held their own and done just fine against these always overrated Big Ten teams, so I see no reason why he wouldn't be able to have some success at PSU. And, 4 million a year sounds pretty good to me.
It probably is more than just money because I don't think Rhoades would go just anywhere for 4 million, but my goodness, you can't act like there is not much difference in 4 and 1.8. 5 years from now, that is 20 million vs. 9 million. No comparison.
The Big 10 got 8 bids this year and will always get a lot. We got 1. If he wants to make the tournament regularly, he's more likely to do it there than here, if we are backsliding into being a 1-2 bid league. Doubling your money is a pretty good deal, too, and getting to go back closer to your home, if that's something that is important.
And I mean Penn State is Penn State, even if it's not historically been a basketball school. It sounds like they are willing to ante up to try to keep their basketball momentum going, so I'm sure he feels like he can be the one to elevate them to new levels. Coaches like challenges, especially well-paid ones.
And I mean Penn State is Penn State, even if it's not historically been a basketball school. It sounds like they are willing to ante up to try to keep their basketball momentum going, so I'm sure he feels like he can be the one to elevate them to new levels. Coaches like challenges, especially well-paid ones.
Of course there's a difference. ($3.5m is the number I saw mentioned, but whatever, ballpark.)
I'm just saying if I'm already making $1.8m, I don't HAVE to make that move as Wood suggested. I'm already in a great place, and if I'm happy where I am I can consider holding out for an even better opportunity or maybe I'm want to try to be a lifer.
That's all I'm saying. It should be about more than just the money, and it probably is in this case, presuming he takes the job.
not every step up in conference is a good move, but PSU can be a great job for the right guy. you're getting 5 years at least guaranteed. I know he's making good money already, but he'd be insane to turn down the PSU job if offered.
When you win and achieve like Rhodes has, other schools take notice. I think he’s in a good position either way.
As for us, another year coming up of more of the same. If Rhodes leaves, whoever the new coach is, VCU will continue to own us. One day our time will come.
As for us, another year coming up of more of the same. If Rhodes leaves, whoever the new coach is, VCU will continue to own us. One day our time will come.
Micah Shrewsberry. Lol. They already had their coach who could move the needle and let him out the door.
As for Rhoades, Penn State is not a basketball school, so they need a coach with a pedigree, and with a big personality, who is going to be able to push Penn State leadership to see the value in investing more. Rhoades is not that guy. Solid coach, good recruiter (not great), low key personality. That isn't going to move the needle enough to win at Penn State.
Shaka would be a good fit for Penn State is an example. Bob Hurley (whom I can't stand but man does he win) is another. Yeah, you are going to have to open the bank vault for those guys, but if you get a guy who can get that program to the NCAA's regularly, it well worth the investment.
I think it is. He'll earn twice as much money. Sign a 5- or 6-year deal. It would take him 10 or 12 years to earn the same amount at VCU. That's a long time. Six years is $21 million, vs. $10-11 million at VCU. Huge difference.
the money helps with the decision and is a serious factor, but I want to look at other aspects.
As we know, VCU is a basketball school and Penn State is a football school.
With that being said, I know a couple Penn State alums who wholeheartedly believe that the school would absolutely get behind the basketball team if it had any level of consistency. Penn State has not had back to back winning seasons since 1999 & 2000. And in those 24 seasons (starting in 1999 to be generous to them) they’ve had 8 winning seasons.
Obviously we know how good VCU has been and that their fanbase is known for rocking Costco during home games (even though I don’t believe the sellout streak). Costco holds 7,637 Lamb fans. Bryce Jordan center holds 15,261 fans. If Penn State can field good teams and improve their program I do believe the fans will show out in a way VCU fans could never fathom. Beaver Stadium holds over 100,000 fans on Saturdays. And way more tailgate and watch the games at home/bars.
All this to say, if you can get the right coach (and if Rhoades thinks he’s the guy) you can change how the school views basketball and get a huge amount of support behind you. And you can make a Brinks truck worth of cash each season doing it
As we know, VCU is a basketball school and Penn State is a football school.
With that being said, I know a couple Penn State alums who wholeheartedly believe that the school would absolutely get behind the basketball team if it had any level of consistency. Penn State has not had back to back winning seasons since 1999 & 2000. And in those 24 seasons (starting in 1999 to be generous to them) they’ve had 8 winning seasons.
Obviously we know how good VCU has been and that their fanbase is known for rocking Costco during home games (even though I don’t believe the sellout streak). Costco holds 7,637 Lamb fans. Bryce Jordan center holds 15,261 fans. If Penn State can field good teams and improve their program I do believe the fans will show out in a way VCU fans could never fathom. Beaver Stadium holds over 100,000 fans on Saturdays. And way more tailgate and watch the games at home/bars.
All this to say, if you can get the right coach (and if Rhoades thinks he’s the guy) you can change how the school views basketball and get a huge amount of support behind you. And you can make a Brinks truck worth of cash each season doing it
so you're moving your own goalposts a little here. Your first post said 2 years of PSU money is life changing for him. SF correctly disputed that.
SF originally pointed out that 2 years of PSU money is basically what Rhoades has ALREADY earned at VCU and then some ($7-8m) and that if that is life-changing money, #1 - he's already made that much, and #2 at VCU it takes him 4 years, not 2 to earn the same amount, which is not a humongous amount of time / aka not life-changing the way it was stated (generationally.)
No one is disputing the overall difference in money, just the original 2 years at PSU is life changing statement.
It's life-changing for an Ivy coach making $200k per year to jump to $3.5/4m (20x), not so much for an A10 coach already making $1.8m (2x)
That's all. The long term difference of $10m is of course a factor, but doubling a multi-millionaire's current huge salary is not as immediately life changing.
