2024–25 schedule
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8legs1dream
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Absolutely! Even with a super weak field it would have been so much more compelling to follow if there was an actual title game waiting at the end. Bummer.
What a huge disaster this schedule is this season. Someone ought to be censured for this. Absolutely appalling--did we move to the Patriot League this summer for basketball and they didn't announce it?
This tells me that the coaching staff has no illusions about being a good team this year. What else does it show?
This tells me that the coaching staff has no illusions about being a good team this year. What else does it show?
Ball State can be our Super Bowl.
Waiting for the posts that say we’ll probably go 2-1 here because we always drop a game.
3-0 or F grade on this (already D grade) MTE.
3-0 or F grade on this (already D grade) MTE.
I can see La Tech and would even have been "okay" with SIU had they gone that direction, but being passed over in the pecking order by EKU to not have to face the D-II is really something. We have no pull even in a third-tier event like this.
12-1 or incredibly disappointing vs this OOC.
I’ll continue to beat that drum.
I’ll continue to beat that drum.
I also love how mighty FLA Tech is the “host” school but 3.5 hours away.
I thought there were some ncaa “rules” to host. Like nearby venue, marketing, sharing costs. Idk could be wrong. But if u don’t know it Florida Tech is getting paid to be host. Maybe SF can enlighten us he loves the rules that r never followed. Where we’re going we don’t need roads…or rules.
If not we should have gotten Randy Mac to be the host & shared travel costs down!
I thought there were some ncaa “rules” to host. Like nearby venue, marketing, sharing costs. Idk could be wrong. But if u don’t know it Florida Tech is getting paid to be host. Maybe SF can enlighten us he loves the rules that r never followed. Where we’re going we don’t need roads…or rules.
If not we should have gotten Randy Mac to be the host & shared travel costs down!
Agree the schedule is big time disappointing ... but I do think based on hearing comments from Coach and seeing the problems many other A10 teams are having to schedule, it's just harder and harder to get quality games. Regardless, in future years, non conference schedules have to be better than this for sure.
Reactionary thought processes here by the staff. The benefit of an established coach would seem to be established contacts for things like scheduling. The program is far too conservative in its approach IMO. MTEs are a great example - as noted we never get in an upper tier 3 game MTE. The best we do is a couple garbage games to get to Barclays and have to win a p4 game to get a second one, otherwise it’s 2 garbage games,p4, and like New Mexico.
Things change. Be ahead of the curve (we are clearly behind it.)
Things change. Be ahead of the curve (we are clearly behind it.)
you'd think all these good teams struggling to get good games could maybe pool together and play each other?
A10 games seem to be the type that teams are avoiding OOC, not sure having 2 more games in 75-150 range helps. Seems more downside and not enough upside (tho with this year’s OOC anything is upside.)
Here's every team with their preseason KenPom rating. Using the NET formula, here's how each game shapes up:
11/6 vs. Mt. Olive (NA)
11/9 vs. Marist (#237) - Q4
11/13 at Charlotte (#128) - Q2
11/16 at Bucknell (#247) - Q4
11/20 vs. Maine (#257) - Q4
11/25 neutral vs. Florida Tech (NA)
11/26 neutral vs. LA Tech (#107) - Q3
11/27 neutral vs. Ball State (#243) - Q4
12/8 at Auburn (#3) - Q1
12/14 vs Belmont (#171) - Q4
12/18 at W&M (#224) - Q3
12/21 vs. VMI (#359) - Q4
12/28 vs. FGCU (#207) Q4
So that's 1 definite Q1 game, 1 or two possible Q2's, 2 or three Q3's, and then 7 likely Q4's and 2 D2s. Brutal.
11/6 vs. Mt. Olive (NA)
11/9 vs. Marist (#237) - Q4
11/13 at Charlotte (#128) - Q2
11/16 at Bucknell (#247) - Q4
11/20 vs. Maine (#257) - Q4
11/25 neutral vs. Florida Tech (NA)
11/26 neutral vs. LA Tech (#107) - Q3
11/27 neutral vs. Ball State (#243) - Q4
12/8 at Auburn (#3) - Q1
12/14 vs Belmont (#171) - Q4
12/18 at W&M (#224) - Q3
12/21 vs. VMI (#359) - Q4
12/28 vs. FGCU (#207) Q4
So that's 1 definite Q1 game, 1 or two possible Q2's, 2 or three Q3's, and then 7 likely Q4's and 2 D2s. Brutal.
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The host responsibilities are pretty minimal when you consider they only have to "share" them.
"There are no location restrictions associated with hosting an MTE. Therefore, the non-Division I school may host the MTE at their school or at another site (e.g., neutral site, another school’s facility). The non-Division I school that will be hosting the event must ensure the school is handling or sharing the responsibilities associated with hosting the event (e.g., contracts, game guarantees, setting up officials), liability and other operational duties."
I wonder if anyone has told Florida Tech they're hosting/playing in this thing. Their schedule still shows them hosting Puerto Rico Mayagüez on the 26th. 🤣
Loser's make excuses for things not happening, winners just make it happen. VCU and Dayton are both playing in really nice MTE's because their coaching staff and athletic administration get it done.
And yes their should be some accountability at the RC for this debacle, but their won't be their never is, and so long as their never is accountability, we should expect and anticipate more things like this. Everyone involved with making our schedule should be embarrassed about this, I wonder if anyone is.
yeah don't disagree - questioning my sanity a bit about already having bought Delta tickets to Ft Myers back in September ...
I guess I should have used /s
Which I learned from this board!
Re: Lunardi tho that’s speculation not fact
We made such a big deal out of hiring him so why did we fire him.
TY for the refresh. As Meatloaf told me 2 out of 3 ain’t bad.
So no on venue, yes on the rest.
Florida Tech just joined last minute. They r doing us a favor to even have a “tournament”. U think they r handling or sharing anything? I can assure u they are not.
Ncaa rules!!
There r no rules. We should try playing with 6 men like Mooney did that one vcu game. It might work.
It's quite an accomplishment to get 2 D2 teams on the OOC schedule.
8legs1dream
Graduate Assistant
one of which is our season opener! (two days after the rest of the country has already had their season opener)
I have been trying to compartmentalize this and not worry about this scheduling, but now that the season is upon us, this is a bit of drag on the excitement and possibilities for the team.
I get it, it is hard to schedule for mid majors. But we see VCU , SDSU, St. Mary's etc getting games.
This again leads me to believe either:
A) Some folks on our staff dropped the ball and did not do their due dilligence to get this done. Perfect example is that VCU is announcing high level MTE's for NEXT YEAR. WTF. We can't keep saying it is hard. We need to be looking a year ahead, and doing whatever we can to secure games.
B) Mooney is not doing enough. I hear Dutcher talk about talking to other head coaches at Gonzaga, etc. He is pulling strings and applying pressure to his coaching buddies to get this done. And yes, they are now thought of a valuable opponent, but he did this too when he missed the NCAA in his first year and there was a lot of doubt around the program. Mooney needs to do more.
C) The aw shucks we are doing the best we can attitude permeates. Run this damn thing like a major hoops program, and maybe you will be amazed at what happens.
Stepping back off the soap box.
I get it, it is hard to schedule for mid majors. But we see VCU , SDSU, St. Mary's etc getting games.
This again leads me to believe either:
A) Some folks on our staff dropped the ball and did not do their due dilligence to get this done. Perfect example is that VCU is announcing high level MTE's for NEXT YEAR. WTF. We can't keep saying it is hard. We need to be looking a year ahead, and doing whatever we can to secure games.
B) Mooney is not doing enough. I hear Dutcher talk about talking to other head coaches at Gonzaga, etc. He is pulling strings and applying pressure to his coaching buddies to get this done. And yes, they are now thought of a valuable opponent, but he did this too when he missed the NCAA in his first year and there was a lot of doubt around the program. Mooney needs to do more.
C) The aw shucks we are doing the best we can attitude permeates. Run this damn thing like a major hoops program, and maybe you will be amazed at what happens.
Stepping back off the soap box.
whether the weak OOC schedule works or not, we'll never know what would have happened with a better OOC. could result in a better season or worse.
most of this non-conference schedule is boring. best we can do is hold serve. we either win easily or we played down. it's not fun and as a fan I want to have fun cheering this team.
so I'll hope for the best and look forward to January when our real season starts. but I want UR hoops to hear our voice that we want more from our schedule.
most of this non-conference schedule is boring. best we can do is hold serve. we either win easily or we played down. it's not fun and as a fan I want to have fun cheering this team.
so I'll hope for the best and look forward to January when our real season starts. but I want UR hoops to hear our voice that we want more from our schedule.
I've never heard of a D1 tournament with a non-D1 team involved, aside from Chaminade in Hawaii. Wow, what a disaster.
this only works if you have something like three top 10 NET teams to lift the entire tide of teams for the conference season. yes, they all show up to conference play with 11-13 wins, so no loss is "bad" but it's those absolutely top tier quad 1A games that teams like Cincinnati, WVa or the like get in the B12 get 4-6 times in the conf. play that A10 teams do not. They get 4-6 chances at signature wins. If they go 2-4 against Kansas, Baylor and Houston (and now add Arizona to the mix!) they have big wins on their resume. A10 cannot match that. Plus their losses are all against top 100 teams, so the sting of them is diminished. Whereas in the A10 you lose at LaSalle and you're toast.
We got one great game in A10 play last year and it was at home, diminishing its impact. (also didn't help UR in that UD lost every top tier A10 road game.)
Add on to my post above:
What UD did last year was find the teams in those bigger conferences who had inflated NET rankings but weren't actually as good as their numbers - they had been bloated just by playing/losing to the better teams in their leagues - and most importantly, UD beat all those teams. LSU, St. John's, SMU, Cincinnati. They also got to the finals of their MTE and got to play #1 Houston - and we saw firsthand the rising tide effect it had for UD too. Their SOS was very high, they could afford 4 A10 road losses and never sweat a bid loss.
First you actually have to schedule all those OOC games though. And get in an MTE worth a damn. Baby steps.
What UD did last year was find the teams in those bigger conferences who had inflated NET rankings but weren't actually as good as their numbers - they had been bloated just by playing/losing to the better teams in their leagues - and most importantly, UD beat all those teams. LSU, St. John's, SMU, Cincinnati. They also got to the finals of their MTE and got to play #1 Houston - and we saw firsthand the rising tide effect it had for UD too. Their SOS was very high, they could afford 4 A10 road losses and never sweat a bid loss.
First you actually have to schedule all those OOC games though. And get in an MTE worth a damn. Baby steps.
There are a couple others this year, but yeah, it's awfully rare.
-D2 Puerto Rico Mayagüez is hosting one in San Juan with Albany, American, and Kansas City.
- NAIA Life Pacific is in the Rainbow Classic with Hawaii, Pacific, and San Jose State. I don't fully understand this one. It's in Honolulu and Hawaii is supposedly the host. Life Pacific is in the LA area and shouldn't be able to participate unless they're hosting, but again, there are no restrictions on where the tournament is held relative to the host institution(s), so maybe they're a paper co-host.
And yes, D2 Chaminade hosts the Maui Invitational and participates every other year, but this is an off year for them.
Kenpom predicts losses at Charlotte and Auburn.
40% chance to beat Charlotte, close to a toss up
3% chance to beat Auburn, 20pt blowout
He doesn't have the GCS games in there yet.
Individually, he predicts wins in 8 of the 10 games, but given the total probabilities he predicts an OOC record of 7–3.
NR Mount Olive W 100%
237 Marist W, 71-63 78%
128 Charlotte L, 70-66 36%
247 Bucknell W, 70-67 59%
257 Maine W, 73-63 81%
3 Auburn L, 83-63 3%
171 Belmont W, 76-71 68%
224 William & Mary W, 73-72 56%
359 VMI W, 83-63 96%
207 Florida Gulf Coast W, 73-66 75%
Individually, he predicts wins in 8 of the 10 games, but given the total probabilities he predicts an OOC record of 7–3.
NR Mount Olive W 100%
237 Marist W, 71-63 78%
128 Charlotte L, 70-66 36%
247 Bucknell W, 70-67 59%
257 Maine W, 73-63 81%
3 Auburn L, 83-63 3%
171 Belmont W, 76-71 68%
224 William & Mary W, 73-72 56%
359 VMI W, 83-63 96%
207 Florida Gulf Coast W, 73-66 75%
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