I hear the Baha Mar one has changed and is now great…
That is what I hear from GMUs travel agent after they took it over…
J/k of course…
That is what I hear from GMUs travel agent after they took it over…
J/k of course…
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8legs1dream
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some of the MTE listings do not make sense, so I do hope that 80s is correct. For instance, would Georgetown host a 3 team MTE, where everyone gets 2 games? Makes no sense bc there would be a day where Gtown didn't play as the other 2 faced off, drawing zero people bc they are lower level teams not from DC. So I think many of those 3 team MTEs will actually have a 4th team and either play round robin for 3 games or in a tournament fashion for 2 (with the latter being my hunch, like the Stanford tournament we played in 20 years ago.)
Georgetown hosted a 3 team MTE last year playing against Mount St Mary's on 11/18 and American on 11/19.
MSM and AU played each other 11/22 ... at AU's arena.
OK that makes sense since AU is local. LOL at Gtown hosting that event. They hosted 2 home games for themselves and ditched the 3rd game. American got paid well, hopefully.
edit - the blogging the bracket site has Gtown bringing back Mt. St. Mary's and adding St. Francis (PA) so idk what they plan to do this year. Same thing probably. That's not a MTE if so and should not be an exempt event IMO.
If that is correct, and it might be and we have committed to an MTE for a while - why not announce it. Many times, your inclusion in those is even announced well before the rest of the OOC schedule to get your fans interested and possibly to buy tickets and travel to it (if in a good location). The fact that everyone on here is guessing at the MTE - tells me it might not be a good one.
Didn't UR run one back in the day - Spider Invitational? Think it had VMI and someone else back in early 2000's under JB.
That kind of sounds like a secret to me. But, anyway, I can't think of any positive of why we would not release a known game and/or MTE on the schedule yet. And, I would say not releasing when you know would 100% have an impact on ticket sales. Especially a MTE that some of our fans would like to plan to attend. Or, maybe someone was considering season tickets but so far was not impressed with our home schedule. So, they spent their money elsewhere? I don't know...just seems very strange if we have known games, and the decision makers are all saying "hey let's wait and announce later".
So if its not a secret, why not release it? This is not something that can give an opponent an advantage, like a key injury, a new system or even a starting line up. How does it help to not release it?
The Mount is hosting St Francis as part of that. Click on the Rocco miller tweet w details. The mte dates r like a week apart. The rules on MTEs r not too strict. U can have multiple teams hosting games. We’ve done that regularly as part of MTEs. Heck those have like 4-5 unique locations within same event. The best ones imo r single site - we just don’t get in them. Our Sunshine game vs Siena was 9 days before b4 the games in Daytona. I’m not saying that’s identical to gtown but conceptually similar (multiple sites & games spread apart). The hosted MTEs just feel different bc not traveling to the beach or a destination city. Except DC, which remains 1 of the best destination cities in the world.
But I agree the 3 team 2 game ones r pretty stupid. And nobody will go to the Gtown games either.
Jacksonville Classic is not an option...you can only have one team per conference regardless of whether they face each other, so URI has the A-10 spot already.
Arizona Tip-Off could be our best of the known options, but a sad state of affairs to have to go on the road to a P5 and then go to Tempe for two Q3/Q4 games.
Baha Mar Nassau is definitely a mid-major focused tournament, but GW has played in it a couple of times including last year. No other A-10 team has participated in its 7-year history. All of the games would almost certainly be Q3/Q4.
Arizona Tip-Off could be our best of the known options, but a sad state of affairs to have to go on the road to a P5 and then go to Tempe for two Q3/Q4 games.
Baha Mar Nassau is definitely a mid-major focused tournament, but GW has played in it a couple of times including last year. No other A-10 team has participated in its 7-year history. All of the games would almost certainly be Q3/Q4.
The schedule is not a secret I agree with 80s. I told u just run into the Giper at 7 Eleven like I randomly did. He’s a cola slurpee guy btw. Weird but predictable. But he’s a good guy and was nice enough to give me a game scheduling nugget. Unless that was really Kenneth from 30 Rock playing a trick on me, then I’ll be mad.
What did he say about Auburn? And when does he anticipate Trent Noah will transfer to Richmond?
Personally, I don't want to play in an MTE tournament where we are the lower of 2 divisions. Maybe it's hubris or an ego thing, but I just feel that as recent A10 regular season and tournament champions and as historically a top half A10 team in a top 8 conference in the country, we can do better than playing in the "B" division of an MTE.
So for instance, playing in the Desert Division of the Arizona tip-off against Pepperdine and New Mexico State instead of the cactus division that has Butler, Mississippi St, Northwestern, UNLV. Or even the Baha Mar Resort the Bahamas Championship has teams of Baylor, St. John's, UVA, Tennessee instead of the Nassau Championship which currently has Arkansas State and Iona and looking for other teams.
I am not saying we have to be in the upper echelon of non-conference tournaments, but something where we are considered the main draw. Us, Colorado, UNLV, Florida State last year at the Sunshine Slam is a perfect example. Still, I see how other A10 teams are in elite non-conference tournaments like Dayton in Maui invitational, Davidson in Battle 4 Atlantis, and St. Joseph's in the Legends Classic and wonder how we haven't been considered given our recent success compared to the other teams (Dayton I understand) since these types of tournaments like to have an A10 team most years.
So for instance, playing in the Desert Division of the Arizona tip-off against Pepperdine and New Mexico State instead of the cactus division that has Butler, Mississippi St, Northwestern, UNLV. Or even the Baha Mar Resort the Bahamas Championship has teams of Baylor, St. John's, UVA, Tennessee instead of the Nassau Championship which currently has Arkansas State and Iona and looking for other teams.
I am not saying we have to be in the upper echelon of non-conference tournaments, but something where we are considered the main draw. Us, Colorado, UNLV, Florida State last year at the Sunshine Slam is a perfect example. Still, I see how other A10 teams are in elite non-conference tournaments like Dayton in Maui invitational, Davidson in Battle 4 Atlantis, and St. Joseph's in the Legends Classic and wonder how we haven't been considered given our recent success compared to the other teams (Dayton I understand) since these types of tournaments like to have an A10 team most years.
I don't disagree, but it seems we missed the boat on the upper echelon brackets of every MTE this year. and I'd rather not give up the extra games that an MTE allows.
only decent option I can think of is if we are in an undisclosed MTE like 80s said, then I'm thinking it would be like Georgetown's ... where we host and it's an MTE for us but the other 2 teams just call it a game against us and then play each other separately. that would open up options of all the teams that already are in an MTE.
only decent option I can think of is if we are in an undisclosed MTE like 80s said, then I'm thinking it would be like Georgetown's ... where we host and it's an MTE for us but the other 2 teams just call it a game against us and then play each other separately. that would open up options of all the teams that already are in an MTE.
8legs1dream
Graduate Assistant
get your abacus out and count up how many times those things have happened in the reign of Moonie and I bet you will figure it out.
Not sure that is true that you cant have more than one team from same conference. The Maui Jim, Battle for Atlantis and Players Era events each have multiple teams from the same conference (and the Players Era event has two sets of teams from the same conferences).
Actually hope you are correct about this rule, because that means there are misreportings on these events and openings that we could fill!
However, i do believe its allowed. I think most events probably don't want to do that and I believe many conferences have rules against playing conference teams in non-conference games, but I think the MTE's can commit to avoiding this by simply not running their MTE as a bracketed event and just scheduling all the games which is how many are operated!
But I hope you are right and I am wrong!
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Hard to believe we have been committed for awhile unless there is misreporting somewhere. The sites compiling all the MTE's aren't generated from released schedules (most of the teams haven't released schedules yet) but rather releases from the event themselves (or "leaks" to certain sites/individuals). So, given that MTE reporting is pretty full and complete at this time, its hard to imagine that we are already committed but the people writing about it and compiling it don't know about it.
Our biggest hope here is erroneous initial reporting about an event that everyone else just re-reported etc.
Agree that I would rather play an MTE than not at all for the extra games. But if given a choice between a lower division subgroup of tournament or creating our own Richmond MTE and bringing in 2-3 Q3 games, I’d rather do the latter.
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I think these types of tournaments like to go off of reputation and recent success. Take for instance our women's team who looks to be in the West Palm Beach tournament this year with Alabama, Michigan St, and Tennessee. I don't think its because of our record 8 years ago, but rather the past 1-2 years. Of course reputation and success are relative. However, the fact that these tournaments have included teams like Middle Tennessee, Old Dominion, UTEP, Charlotte in the past (and Davidson this year) tells me that the A10 has a strong enough reputation that we warrant some consideration.
Battle 4 Atlantis - Wikipedia
Obviously I am biased, but I think Richmond certainly has just as good if not better reputation than the above schools, and overall we've had solid results the past 5 years. I have no idea why we haven't been invited to these tournaments and I am sure there are a lot of reasons. Richmond is certainly not a flashy names to the average college basketball fan, tournament hosting event, etc. but if these tournaments are drawing from the pool of Davidson, Saint Joseph, etc. caliber level teams and not just the upper-tier P5 schools, then I certainly believe Richmond should be in that same conversation as them. It would be nice to capitalize off the momentum of a good season like A10 tournament + R32 NCAA appears in '22 or A10 regular season championship in '24 not just with recruiting but getting ourselves in more of these top tournaments. Again, this is all conjecture on my part and I have no idea what teams they look for, or even if we've reached out and initiated interest. Simply put, I just think if a team like Davidson can be in this kind of tournament after finishing 15-17 last year, then we also have a solid argument to be in one too, especially considering our more recent success.
Yes, I think they allow conference doubling up in cases where a team commits (in some cases several years in advance) and then changes conferences.
But Rule 17.4.5.1.1(c) otherwise seems pretty clear: one team per conference.
But Rule 17.4.5.1.1(c) otherwise seems pretty clear: one team per conference.
Players Era MTE has Alabama and Texas A&M.....A&M has been in the SEC since 2012. I also read where it said your 1st game cannot be before the Tuesday that comes before the 2nd Friday of November. This year that Tuesday is Nov. 5th. But teams have games on Nov. 4th. So, either the rulebook has been updated for this year, or exceptions are being granted.
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The Players Era Festival features two distinct four-team MTEs Multi-Team Events). The Impact and Power MTEs both have a round-robin format, with each team playing one game against the other three teams in their MTE for a total of three games.
Alabama and A&M can't play each other.
But, does that matter? The rule doesn't say anything about not playing each other. They might have separate MTEs, but they are part of the same bigger MTE. Seems like they are making an exception there, like I guess they did by letting teams start Nov. 4th.
Cool. Thanks for the update. I was wondering why all these games were being scheduled on the 4th.
where have I heard that b4. 20 years...never once been in 1 of the better 3 game single site MTEs. Yeah it doesn't make sense. But I don't think we need to wonder. The logical answer is we are heavily tied to the Gazelle Group. Regularly we play in MTEs run by them. The owner is also Mooney's agent. There's probably some quid pro quo there idk. regardless the over reliance and not having other MTE connections is a weakness. Just lower your expectations with getting in those other MTEs. As u like to say they should be the exact same for a 20 year head coach as they should for a 1 year coach
Great questions 23. Are u familiar with the rules of the Spider Collective? The convo I had with the Giper was very similar. I can't tell you what I know, I can only tell u that I know things you don't know.
I agree that this is likely a big factor to why we may have been more limited in the MTEs we’ve played in prior years, while many of them have been pretty solid. Still, I hope we at least try to make an effort to get into one of these bigger tournaments. The idea that Davidson, St. Joes, Dayton and VCU ( both multiple times), & Loyola get into these kinds of tournaments while we don’t especially a year after Davidson finished 15-17 and we won the regular season championship, shouldn’t be something our athletic department ought to be complacent with. Who knows who we’ve reached out to though and vice versa. Just my 2 cents.
lol, I’m not going to get baited into going down this rabbit hole again. Not this time.As u like to say they should be the exact same for a 20 year head coach as they should for a 1 year coach
lower level teams certainly having no trouble getting high major guys to answer their phones.
8legs1dream
Graduate Assistant
I wonder if teams like that are just more willing to go be a "buy game" for some bigger school or if those bigger schools don't even want a higher level mid-major as a buy game period.
Anyway, hopeful for some news soon.
Anyway, hopeful for some news soon.
I'm not surprised to see a team like Monmouth get those types of games. They finished last year with a record of 18-15 and NET of 193. For one, every team wants to have some varying amount of Q4 games on their schedule: whether that is VMI, Richmond, or UVA. So essentially any team in the country will pick up the phone and probably have some interest in playing a game(s) against teams like Monmouth. Secondly, I am sure Monmouth is willing to take all these types of buy games and fly all over the country a) because of the money they will get and b) the exposure of playing these teams. They know that they have an incredibly slim chance to 0% chance of an at-large bid so "optimizing" their schedule to have balanced wins and a good record likely doesn't take priority over the two reasons "A" and "B" that I alluded to above. That's why only one of their non-conference game is played at home.
Richmond falls in this limbo where we aren't good enough like a top P5 school or even like a Dayton where we have the cache to get into these elite tournaments or home-home with top teams (like Dayton with Marquette) but we aren't bad enough either where teams will want to schedule us as their cupcake game because they know we have a chance to beat them. Also, for us we actually have a more realistic chance - though not as high as many other programs but still a solid chance - that we can get an at-large if we schedule smart and win the games in OOC and conference play. Lastly, Richmond would never want to play only 1 home conference game for several reasons.
Our situation is completely different than Monmouth's in a way that I prefer.
I guess I am going to have to wait a few years to find out. Have a call with college financial aid for a 3rd appeal in 45 minutes, we realized they pulled the aid ~ same time they started digging on our new septic system. NIL donations will have to be down the road. It's kind of like the above, I'll probably never be able to afford whatever they replace NIL with. So my wonderful board contributions will be the only contributions.
Lol. "It is not a secret". Literally no one in the public knows, so by definition that makes it a secret. "We've been committed to an MTE for a while". Also odd because the website that tracks MTE's and other media that keep track of scheduling and MTE's have stated we are one of the few teams who are not committed to an MTE.
So, maybe you are right, I guess we will see. But it begs the question if you are correct, why is our MTE commitment is not known by anyone? I see no purpose to keeping it a secret, almost every D-1 school as soon as they commits to an MTE announces it on all of their social media accounts to generate excitement for the program.
So, as I see it, either we've
A. screwed the pooch and don't have an MTE
B. We have committed to such a shitty MTE that we are keeping a secret cause we are embarrassed, or
C. Our Comm's team is completely asleep at the wheel.
I'm on pins and needles awaiting which of these lovely options it will be.
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It’s not a secret, I just am not allowed to talk about it
Maybe we are just spellchecking "MTE" a few hundred times before we make the announcement.
I think buy games are available for teams like us. While power teams do want some cupcakes, the main thing is there are just a lot more low majors or low mid majors out there and thus, they'll fill up more of them. Our group of "high" mid majors or however we define is a smaller group. Mooney has spoken about how getting home games vs. power teams is so hard, he has never denied you can't get road buy games. I'd be interested to hear him speak about the topic but I don't expect he'd say that. We can't punt on not playing P5s, they are too important and we need more not less. & if we can't get enough at home or neutral u adjust. We've taken a few it's just rare but obviously we're not against them completely. I noticed Mason was playing at Duke. Ole Jer had his issues, but i did like that he was unafraid of these games.
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