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FYI, they have finished their ranking of the top 25 players. Only 7 of the top 10 are coming back and we have 2 of those 7. Interested if any of you disagree with ranking? I found it very interesting.

As a ranking of players in the A10 last season, it seems pretty accurate. I enjoyed their write-ups. Note that none of the players on the list won a game after the A10 tourney.

Three schools had two players in the top 10 last season. VCU, Davidson, and Richmond. VCU and Davidson finished 1/2 and started their A10 tourney on Friday. We had to play in the play-in round on Wednesday.

I find that very interesting.

I wish those in charge of evaluating our staff were interested in things like that.
 
That's it in a nutshell, CB – we shouldn't really have to wait around for the "greatest class ever" because we've had two likely all-time greats in UR history on our roster the past two years and have done nothing with them. If that's not an indictment on coaching, I don't know what is.
 
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a lot of our all time great didn't accomplish much their freshman and sophomore year. they best stuff happens their final 2 years.
 
a lot of our all time great didn't accomplish much their freshman and sophomore year. they best stuff happens their final 2 years.
We are getting into the season now where Redskins fans and the truthers both start to feel their oats about their respective seasons. The cold hard splash of reality won't hit until later in the Fall.
 
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We are getting into the season now where Redskins fans and the truthers both start to feel their oats about their respective seasons. The cold hard splash of reality won't hit until later in the Fall.
Yes, I have days where the truther venom is allowed to infect me. Happens every year actually. Just the last two it got washed away very very early in the season. By mid December could be a truther revival, or could be a FMM hornets nest. I think we could have enough talent for the truthers to ride, but that is contingent on Mooney changing his ways and instilling a physical and defensive mind set. The FMM in me is still 85% in control on this topic. It's up to Mooney. He had an open slot to fill on his staff, and went with status quo. Bad sign for the truthers. Hardt may just figure out that you can't teach an old dog new tricks. Time to cattle up big boy.
 
Yes, I have days where the truther venom is allowed to infect me. Happens every year actually. Just the last two it got washed away very very early in the season. By mid December could be a truther revival, or could be a FMM hornets nest. I think we could have enough talent for the truthers to ride, but that is contingent on Mooney changing his ways and instilling a physical and defensive mind set. The FMM in me is still 85% in control on this topic. It's up to Mooney. He had an open slot to fill on his staff, and went with status quo. Bad sign for the truthers. Hardt may just figure out that you can't teach an old dog new tricks. Time to cattle up big boy.
I'm trying hard to come around for the season here. Mooney leaving open that final slot though is just a stark reminder of the ineptitude of a 15 year tenured head coach and he can't get 2 guys in during spring recruitment.
 
Here are the A10 1st and 2nd team selections from the end of the season with where they rank in A10 talk. Obviously they are just people's opinions. Any thoughts on preseason A10 team? Looks like they need to add 3 to the list.

All-Conference First Team

Jon Axel Gudmundsson, Davidson 1
Kellan Grady, Davidson 6
Obi Toppin, Dayton 3
Courtney Stockard, St. Bonaventure 7 (gone)
Marcus Evans, VCU 2

All-Conference Second Team
Justin Kier, George Mason 16
Cyril Langevine, Rhode Island 4
Jacob Gilyard, Richmond 5
Charlie Brown, Jr., Saint Joseph's 9 (gone)
Javon Bess, Saint Louis 8 (gone)

Not included
Grant Golden 10
 
As a ranking of players in the A10 last season, it seems pretty accurate. I enjoyed their write-ups. Note that none of the players on the list won a game after the A10 tourney.

Three schools had two players in the top 10 last season. VCU, Davidson, and Richmond. VCU and Davidson finished 1/2 and started their A10 tourney on Friday. We had to play in the play-in round on Wednesday.

I find that very interesting.

I wish those in charge of evaluating our staff were interested in things like that.

VCU and Davidson did not lose one of the best players in the conference for the year due to an injury. Give us Nick the full year last year, and have VCU and Davidson suffer crucial injuries, and the standings likely would have looked dramatically different. I think it is fair to say most, if not all, teams in the A-10 would suffer if they lost one of their best players. I know you disagree, so we don't need to go back and forth on this again.
 
Let's stipulate that Nick was one of the top players in the A10. That means we had 3 of the Top 11...most in the league, while 7 of the teams (half) had zero.

We were 2-4 against a pillow soft OOC with the most Quad 4 losses in the league while we had 3 of the Top 11.

That's pathetic coaching.
 
Having bad luck and being bad aren’t mutually exclusive. One really only needs to look at our defensive stats/performance to see that our problems run way deeper than losing Nick for 2/3 of the season.

Perhaps the player rankings don’t place a meaningful emphasis on defensive contribution.
 
Let's stipulate that Nick was one of the top players in the A10. That means we had 3 of the Top 11...most in the league, while 7 of the teams (half) had zero.

We were 2-4 against a pillow soft OOC with the most Quad 4 losses in the league while we had 3 of the Top 11.

That's pathetic coaching.
We got beat by Longwood, Wyoming, and Hampton with Sherod. Also, Sherod is not a Top 25 A-10 player. Wasn't last year, isn't this year. Great scorer, but disappears in key stretches and big moments. Not a good defender. If you'd listen to 4700, you'd think he was an NBA draft pick.
 
Having bad luck and being bad aren’t mutually exclusive. One really only needs to look at our defensive stats/performance to see that our problems run way deeper than losing Nick for 2/3 of the season.

Perhaps the player rankings don’t place a meaningful emphasis on defensive contribution.

I agree that they likely do not focus on defense when naming these pre season teams, and no question we have been bad defensively the last few years.

We lost Nick for 4/5 of last year. I agree having him all year would not have solved all of our problems, but losing him was a huge loss. When a guy has conference games of 32, 28, 26, 25, 22, 21, 20, 19 twice and 18 twice as a sophomore, you are going to miss that big time.
 
VCU and Davidson did not lose one of the best players in the conference for the year due to an injury. Give us Nick the full year last year, and have VCU and Davidson suffer crucial injuries, and the standings likely would have looked dramatically different. I think it is fair to say most, if not all, teams in the A-10 would suffer if they lost one of their best players. I know you disagree, so we don't need to go back and forth on this again.
SLU lost one of its best players and then won the league. Last year.
 
best class ever
toughest OOC in league
reasonable NCAA expectations

Add the return of Nick. So we have roughly 3 top ten A10 players.

NCAA or bust? I might have to revise to NCAA Round of 32 or bust.
 
I agree that they likely do not focus on defense when naming these pre season teams, and no question we have been bad defensively the last few years.

We lost Nick for 4/5 of last year. I agree having him all year would not have solved all of our problems, but losing him was a huge loss. When a guy has conference games of 32, 28, 26, 25, 22, 21, 20, 19 twice and 18 twice as a sophomore, you are going to miss that big time.
Yes it was a big loss, Nick is a very good player and has a knack for finding different ways to score. We have a ton of talent returning and should have high expectations. To be seen if the talent translates into a lot more wins.
 
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Anyone subscribe to RTD, I don't anymore. Just curious if anything enlightening about our D was said. Presumably it is about Blake Francis being a good defender, & we've heard that before. Gilyard is All A10 defense and neither of them is our best backcourt defender. That's Gustavson and given the title by UR. Mooney says he expects Cayo to be elite D and Burton is also slated to help a lot on D per Mooney.

If we're not pretty good on D this year then either Golden, Sherod and Wojcik are 3 of the worst defenders in all of D1 OR it's on the coaching. Anyone going with the former? Me neither.

We have all these good defenders to go along with elite O. NCAA or bust.

 
Anyone subscribe to RTD, I don't anymore. Just curious if anything enlightening about our D was said. Presumably it is about Blake Francis being a good defender, & we've heard that before. Gilyard is All A10 defense and neither of them is our best backcourt defender. That's Gustavson and given the title by UR. Mooney says he expects Cayo to be elite D and Burton is also slated to help a lot on D per Mooney.

If we're not pretty good on D this year then either Golden, Sherod and Wojcik are 3 of the worst defenders in all of D1 OR it's on the coaching. Anyone going with the former? Me neither.

We have all these good defenders to go along with elite O. NCAA or bust.



75% of early practices have been about D. We will be primarily man to man, Francis and Burton will bring much needed aggressiveness and athleticism.
 
75% of early practices have been about D. We will be primarily man to man, Francis and Burton will bring much needed aggressiveness and athleticism.
I haven’t figured out the Burton angle. The two possibilities I’m coming up with is that either he’s really talented and going to get a decent chunk of time but at someone else’s expense (Nick?) or CM is expecting too much contribution from a true freshman who might average 10mpg.

Either scenario seems odd.

Good to hear we’re scrapping the matchup D, feels long overdue.
 
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75% of early practices have been about D. We will be primarily man to man, Francis and Burton will bring much needed aggressiveness and athleticism.

Thanks urfan1. 5 good defenders. No reason not to make a gigantic leap. I still say we need an alternative base zone D too. We will face some weaker shooting 3 ball teams especially with the line going farther back and it would make lot of sense to pack it in and switch things up. Not against the man to man as our primary but we can't be a one trick pony.
 
Anyone subscribe to RTD, I don't anymore. Just curious if anything enlightening about our D was said. Presumably it is about Blake Francis being a good defender, & we've heard that before. Gilyard is All A10 defense and neither of them is our best backcourt defender. That's Gustavson and given the title by UR. Mooney says he expects Cayo to be elite D and Burton is also slated to help a lot on D per Mooney.

If we're not pretty good on D this year then either Golden, Sherod and Wojcik are 3 of the worst defenders in all of D1 OR it's on the coaching. Anyone going with the former? Me neither.

We have all these good defenders to go along with elite O. NCAA or bust.


I agree. We should be much better defensively, even good if I dare to go that far. If not, it is fair to blame coaching.
 
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I like the idea of playing more man to man. But we are also going to need the zone as well. My concern is depth - I just don’t think we have any and for UR to be successful next season we will likely need Grant, Sherod and Francis (assuming he is as good as we think) at 30-32 minutes a night. Then Gilyard around 35 a night if not more.

I think Wojcik comes off bench. Along with Gustavson. But after that is anyone guess.
 
I actually think we have a ton of depth.
granted I'm always more optimistic than you.
 
Every year we seem to think we have depth. But it never really happens.

This year I think a lot rides on Francis - can he be a guy who scores 10-12 a night and provide some outside shooting. And I think the second piece is Sherod - how does he bounce back. I am confident Grant and Gilyard will produce. And i think Wojcik will be better with less minutes where he can just be a shooter off the bench. Cayo - if he just gives us near what we got out of him last year that would be fine. If he could develop an outside shot that would be amazing. But think that is unlikely for next season.

We are always hopeful with incoming frosh. But remember they are freshman. It will be up and down.
 
we only have one freshman. and he's very talented. but sure, if we don't want to count on him or Tomas until we see more from them that's fine.

so our bench is Woj, Goose, Sal and Matt. all have experience. all have been in the program and are putting in work. I feel very good about that bench.
 
we only have one freshman. and he's very talented. but sure, if we don't want to count on him or Tomas until we see more from them that's fine.

so our bench is Woj, Goose, Sal and Matt. all have experience. all have been in the program and are putting in work. I feel very good about that bench.
Yeah, I wouldn't count on Tomas. He's been here for 2 years and scored 3 points. He looks great in practice though, lights up our defense, apparently.
 
Every year we seem to think we have depth. But it never really happens.

This year I think a lot rides on Francis - can he be a guy who scores 10-12 a night and provide some outside shooting. And I think the second piece is Sherod - how does he bounce back. I am confident Grant and Gilyard will produce. And i think Wojcik will be better with less minutes where he can just be a shooter off the bench. Cayo - if he just gives us near what we got out of him last year that would be fine. If he could develop an outside shot that would be amazing. But think that is unlikely for next season.

We are always hopeful with incoming frosh. But remember they are freshman. It will be up and down.

I am thinking 15 a game from Blake, with a few 20+ ones.
 
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Anyone subscribe to RTD, I don't anymore. Just curious if anything enlightening about our D was said. Presumably it is about Blake Francis being a good defender, & we've heard that before. Gilyard is All A10 defense and neither of them is our best backcourt defender. That's Gustavson and given the title by UR. Mooney says he expects Cayo to be elite D and Burton is also slated to help a lot on D per Mooney.

If we're not pretty good on D this year then either Golden, Sherod and Wojcik are 3 of the worst defenders in all of D1 OR it's on the coaching. Anyone going with the former? Me neither.

We have all these good defenders to go along with elite O. NCAA or bust.

My question is what does the emphasis on defense include?
For instance

1) Defensive Rebounding?
2) How to block out?
3) Is there a goal as to the # of offensive 2nd shots allowed?
4) Have we visited with other staffs for ideas ( that Moon Man is close to if any ?)
5) What defensive clinics have our staff members attended? Did the Moon Man go?
6) What defensive philosophy are we patterning our new schemes after(eg Pack Line, etc, etc,etc)
7) Do we have a Lunardi type defensive consultant??? from the outside
8) Has Hardt been involved to provide the resources needed and assess the Plan???
9)etc,etc,etc
10) Is Pete Carril involved?

Not a strong track record to indicate we should think that the problem has been addressed.


After a drought of 8 years
 
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we only have one freshman. and he's very talented. but sure, if we don't want to count on him or Tomas until we see more from them that's fine.

so our bench is Woj, Goose, Sal and Matt. all have experience. all have been in the program and are putting in work. I feel very good about that bench.
I'll feel good about the bench if Coach Mooney will play these guys in the out-of-conference portion of our schedule. He was playing seven and eight players at the beginning of the season until Nick went down. Ridiculous. How can we see who we can count on if they ride the pine until January?
 
I'll feel good about the bench if Coach Mooney will play these guys in the out-of-conference portion of our schedule. He was playing seven and eight players at the beginning of the season until Nick went down. Ridiculous. How can we see who we can count on if they ride the pine until January?
Cut the guy some slack, he just forgot to put some players into games. Repeatedly.
 
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I'll feel good about the bench if Coach Mooney will play these guys in the out-of-conference portion of our schedule. He was playing seven and eight players at the beginning of the season until Nick went down. Ridiculous. How can we see who we can count on if they ride the pine until January?
I want him to play to win every game. if that's playing 11 guys, great. if it's playing 8, fine.
 
I want him to play to win every game. if that's playing 11 guys, great. if it's playing 8, fine.


I concur with several caveats, its a long season you have to use your players wisely to allow your top players to be strong at the end of the season, and you have to give your younger/bench players enough time so they will be ready when you need them, eg injury, foul trouble, bad game, etc
 
agreed, but in a tough or close game I'm playing best players. we should have a few games where we win easily. CM doesn't go to the bench early enough in those for me. that's when you can give some rest and get some others experience.

I really don't see it being an issue this year though. our bench excluding Burton and Verbinskis all have substantial playing time experience. they can be counted on, even early in the season. which wasn't the case last year.
 
agreed, but in a tough or close game I'm playing best players. we should have a few games where we win easily. CM doesn't go to the bench early enough in those for me. that's when you can give some rest and get some others experience.

I really don't see it being an issue this year though. our bench excluding Burton and Verbinskis all have substantial playing time experience. they can be counted on, even early in the season. which wasn't the case last year.
I wouldn’t say grace or Sal had substantial PT, Both were 7mpg or less.

Wojcik and Andre will be upgrades off the bench given how much they played last year, presuming they get demoted from starting which seems plausible.

It will be interesting to see who he calls in first and who struggles to get on the floor.
 
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