A10 Game 7 - VCU
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Dude, they kicked our asses all across the board.
It should be treated like any other game. You would think we were hosting a top 10 school !
How many coaching changes has vcu made since mooney has been at U of R? How many NCAA appearances?
Come on, what is this?! Like Coach K didn't win dozens and dozens of games against UNC over his career? If we lost to VCU in the Final Four, we still would have made it to the Final Four. Cherry picking individual games as a way to excuse Mooney's complete ineptitude over 31 games is laughable and pathetic.
Wood, you were there during Lou Mills, how fun was that? Carl Sloan followed with a feeling of euphoria with his transfers and the exciting Maryland game first semester before seems most didn’t return second semester. Then new short lived enthusiasm with Lou Goetz followed by that ho hum temporary coach named Tarrant.
Why can’t we expect success?
Are you truly happy with getting thumped by VCU? I’m not. I used to be mad after just about every losing game, especially the ones we should have won. But since about 2012 I really stopped most of my caring and I’m healthier for it. I feel for those players and we have had good players who never tasted the success I expect from all UR sports programs. But we compete…what a crock if that’s acceptable.. Do you think any kid comes to UR in any sport to just compete. Geez I hope not, I hope they come with hopes of building and or advancing a successful program.
UVA Tech. I’m not a UVA fan and three generations of my family are Hokies, so yea it’s a gem.
W&M- why shouldn’t we dominate them in football and like every sport, including basketball….oh.
LKNSpider- you asked Ply to be specific about Mooney. I’ll respond. It’s simple, he doesn’t get his players, the talent he has, in a position to win. He’s does what he does on O & D and never varies, not matter the strength of his players, the kind of mindset of Boeheim sticking with his 2-3 D no matter what. But Boeheim has won a great majority of his games.
I could really see how he prepared the team for the Syracuse. When we were playing them even or better I knew he had spent time preparing. But then it’s like every game he loses focus or I don’t know how to explain it but the game gets out of control and he has no answer. After all these years he has no answer…
Why can’t we expect success?
Are you truly happy with getting thumped by VCU? I’m not. I used to be mad after just about every losing game, especially the ones we should have won. But since about 2012 I really stopped most of my caring and I’m healthier for it. I feel for those players and we have had good players who never tasted the success I expect from all UR sports programs. But we compete…what a crock if that’s acceptable.. Do you think any kid comes to UR in any sport to just compete. Geez I hope not, I hope they come with hopes of building and or advancing a successful program.
UVA Tech. I’m not a UVA fan and three generations of my family are Hokies, so yea it’s a gem.
W&M- why shouldn’t we dominate them in football and like every sport, including basketball….oh.
LKNSpider- you asked Ply to be specific about Mooney. I’ll respond. It’s simple, he doesn’t get his players, the talent he has, in a position to win. He’s does what he does on O & D and never varies, not matter the strength of his players, the kind of mindset of Boeheim sticking with his 2-3 D no matter what. But Boeheim has won a great majority of his games.
I could really see how he prepared the team for the Syracuse. When we were playing them even or better I knew he had spent time preparing. But then it’s like every game he loses focus or I don’t know how to explain it but the game gets out of control and he has no answer. After all these years he has no answer…
The question I answered was not about you being satisfied......it was about great teams in "big time " games ...playing careless and undisciplined!!!! I fired away and there are countless examples!!!!
So what you’re saying is even great teams play careless and undisciplined. That’s very comforting. 55% and 8-23. It’s all good
can not win with point guard who can not dribble penetrate
never splits against step out on ball screen just backing it up
I think very bad dribbling team we ever having to fold against any pressure
never splits against step out on ball screen just backing it up
I think very bad dribbling team we ever having to fold against any pressure
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Of curse I'm not happy. Despite last year's success, Mooney has clearly grown stale and is past the sell-by date. But I have no say in whether he's fired or stays. So as long as he's here, I want him to succeed.
As for the rest:
* Many here say UR-VCU isn't a true rivalry because it's lopsided in VCU's favor. If that's the case (which it isn't, it's a rivalry), then those same people can't call UVa-Tech football a rivalry, since it is even more lopsided in Tech's favor the past 25 years.
* UR and W&M have virtually identical athletic programs. No reason we should dominate them, or that they should dominate us. Which is exactly the situation.
Huh, didn’t they beat our vaunted basketball program? Great time to be a spider
We have many of the same sports. We both have higher-than-average academic requirements for athletes, and our players are expected to succeed in the classroom. I'd imagine we have similar budgets, although as a private school our is not public information. We have pretty similar facilities. Neither school intentionally breaks or bends NCAA rules.
We're in the same league for football. As for the other sports, the A-10 is better than the CAA, but not by an overwhelming margin.
Close enough they could be our athletic first cousin, if not brother or twin.
Getting back to the original point, there is no reason either school should dominate the other. And they don't.
If we're twins or brothers, maybe we should pay Mooney $300k like W&M does for Fischer.
Kind of like Alabama this year? They average over 15 turnovers a game, I think the 2nd most of any power team. Is that a coaching issue? They are ranked 4th in the country.
And, if it's a coaching issue when you are careless with the ball, is it great coaching when you are not?
They make up for it with better athletes that were recruited by a better coach
Lol. When we are ranked fourth in the country, I don't think any of us will care if we have 15 turnovers a game.
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VT, I have asked before in a different manner but what would be your criteria on a performance evaluation to rate a coach as not meeting expectations? In short, when in your mind is firing a coach warranted? I wish to better understand your evaluative process.
They’re also 1st in RPG, 5th in FT made and 15th in Blocks. I can find stats too. It’s safe to say they do a lot of stuff well to counterbalance their turnover problems.
Is your point that turnovers aren’t our issue, or that the coach isn’t responsible for them?
Maybe we need to coach harder on rebounding, making free throws and getting blocks. Or I guess we could keep doing the same thing we’re doing and see how it turns out.
At some point all of these are paper arguments if we aren’t willing to seriously evaluate if what we’re doing is working. Right now it’s not really working, and that’s against a relatively soft schedule.
If the Coach isn’t Mooney. If the program has kids that “cause trouble”. If a coach violates a major NCAA rule. If a coach fails to schedule an easy enough schedule to get to .500 over a decade.
It’s always a good question. I’m very simplistic on this, make the tournament every 3 years. Maybe that means twice in six years considering how contracts get structured and our unwillingness to buyout of them. I think that’s reasonable given our conditions.
For that reason I’ve kind of reset the clock on CM but it feels like we’re already on a tough path.
I would go this year but unfortunately my gas mask has expired...
At least Bennett owned it and didn't give this "we competed" crap.
If he had been there 17 years, and was coming off a CAA championship and an NCAA win, with two previous NCAA appearances and a Sweet 16, he'd be making Mooney money.
Alabama does a guy who can set up the shooter, no doubt about that.
We paid Mooney more than $300k in his first season 18 years ago.
Our investment in hoops vastly exceeds W&M's.
As I wrote on the VCU boards. I thought Tyler Burton’s interviews post game were personally reflective and insightful. He took responsibility for not having played up to his personal and the team’s standards. Wow! Don’t see that often! Fine young man.
With Mooney's record he wouldn't have been there 17 years. Come on now...
Shaver lasted 16 years with a .457 winning percentage, so I wouldn’t be so sure about that.
But no, of course there’s no way he would still be at W&M with that resume. He might be making Mooney money, but it wouldn’t be at W&M. Even comparing to a weak A-10, the CAA is a big step down unless your name is Charleston at this point.
Sorry, but there was nothing in my post about winning and losing. It was about who we consider rivals and how loud the arenas are. My point was that, generally speaking, over the last few years we have had more important games against Dayton than any other team in the A-10. It could be because their coach is our former coach, so there is simply more interest. At the game Friday, I noted that there were not as many VCU fans as normal. It could have been the Friday night game makes it harder to get to. I noted the prices on StubHub with very high. I think that kept a lot of fans, on both sides, at home watching on TV.
As far as last year, most VCU fans would have agreed with you 100%. We should have gotten up more for the game in the tournament. But we did not and got beat. Hopefully, it is a lesson learned. But the noise level was not there at that game. When a team thrives on the noise, it hurts when it is not there. Some of our fans stayed home, planning to come up for the next game. Again, lesson learned.
I do think that the crowd noise helps the VCU defense. While our players are flying around the court trying to disrupt an opponent's offense, it helps if the crowd is loud. It helps create confusion. And from comments over the years, it appears that our coaches agree.
Yes, Burton's postgame comments were great. Reflective, took accountability, great leadership from him.
And then contrast that to Mooney's. Bob and Beck don't do Mooney any favors because they lob him such softball questions basically about asking him about all we did right in game where we got blown out in our gym by our rival, they don't give Mooney much a chance to talk about what we did wrong, cause the focus is always on what we did right. If you didn't have the context of his us getting fired and listened to Bob and Beck postgame you would think that we either won or it was a highly competitive game.
But then you listen to Tyler being interviewed with the same soft questions and he just takes command of the interview and your like, yeah, Burton gets it at least.
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Service job typically require you to work Friday nights and yeah I would bet the prices might have outpriced some in your fanbase as well. The game was sold out and it was probably 90% Richmond fans, so as far as fans watching from home, it would appear it was just the black and gold that chose that method.
I will say, I think Dalen Cuff is an excellent announcer. I think he did one of our VCU games last season. In contrast to some of the hacks we have mentioned on the board, he actually knew the players (or at least researched them) and actually talked about their tendencies, etc. Looks like he was a limited player back in the day at Columbia. But he talked about our transfers, and about how this type of game and environment is a reason you transfer from a Citadel or Lafayette. Really found him good and insightful.
Or it could be all those Doctors and Nurses have to work strange hours. Lawyers, on the other hand, typically can just chase ambulances on Monday.
I appreciate all those ur fans buying my extras, just as much as I appreciate ur selling them to me.
See you next month.
Oh well, it all seemed like things were aligned for Spiders on Friday. Good energy in building, huge student turnout. From my vantage point less than 10% black & gold - maybe 5%. Continue to do a great job keeping Ram fans out of RC. Friday night A-10 featured ESPN game. Even Vegas had moved us to a 1 or 1.5 favorite. So, somebody thought we were supposed to win this one. Then ouch. UR lays an egg. No adjustments. Very frustrating. 32- 58.
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