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Which team has been more soul crushing over the last 10 years?

Which team has been more soul crushing over the last 10 years


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Expectations for men's basketball were sky high after back to back NCAA appearances and making the Sweet Sixteen in 2011. Since then it has been like the psssss of air leaking out of a tire...with some slight uptick for 2015 and 2017 NIT appearances....................
 
My goal is the same as it has always been 3 NCAA, 3 NIT, and 2 above .500 every 8 seasons...
 
That's like having the good kind of cancer.

Do you not think TJ would have traded all his NITs for one NCAA bid?

Do you think he would have traded his NITs for the last two years?

If the NIT is seen as the trophy you are striving for, you are aiming too low.
If it is seen as a stepping stone (in a player's career, not a program's), then it is not a critical failure.
 
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At least, the Redskins can fire a coach who is underperforming. Notice how players like Chris Thompson are publicly upset and backing their coach. That doesn't make him a great coach, but does show how he connected with many players.
 
At least, the Redskins can fire a coach who is underperforming. Notice how players like Chris Thompson are publicly upset and backing their coach. That doesn't make him a great coach, but does show how he connected with many players.
Honestly, we have no idea if Gruden can coach or not, because he was dealt such a crap hand.
Snyder and Allen are the problem.
 
Honestly, we have no idea if Gruden can coach or not, because he was dealt such a crap hand.
Snyder and Allen are the problem.
Completely agree. Gruden is probably relieved to get the heck out of that organization.
 
At least, the Redskins can fire a coach who is underperforming. Notice how players like Chris Thompson are publicly upset and backing their coach. That doesn't make him a great coach, but does show how he connected with many players.

Is this a dig at Mooney? I can't honestly tell. But I'd say the player response to the billboard brouhaha was much the same as what you are praising here.
 
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Is this a dig at Mooney? I can't honestly tell. But I'd say the player response to the billboard brouhaha was much the same as what you are praising here.
Come on kneepad, you know me well enough. I wasn't praising Thompson or anyone else, just noting that players often stick up for coaches that they like. I understand why players stick up for Mooney. I'm willing to bet they would trade their love for their coach for a NCAA experience or deep playoff run, and probably still love that coach that led them there just as much.
 
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THere are a lot more coaches out there that are between Mooney and those other guys. Hundreds of them. We don't need to settle.
Exactly, this is a great point. This has been a fall back position of truther nation (when we did have more than 1.5 posters supporting Mooney), essentially trying to make a case that you either have to have a cheating maniacal monster, or Mooney.

I'd take Nathan Davis or Wes Miller any day. Heck, I would take that supposed monster Gregg Marshall - I don't see any NCAA violations at Wichita. Lot of guys out there, though I really don't want PQ and Jabba making that decision.
 
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There is an almost zero chance Richmond hires a coach with ethical challenges. And if for some remote reason we did, we would fire them post haste (see Latrell Scott) and move onto to bigger and better things (see Danny Rocco). Latrell didn't leave some big stain on our program, he was out before you could blink and the program quickly recovered by hiring a head coach, who knew how to coach.

Our main problem is that when we hire a good guy who is just a mediocre coach (see Mooney and apparently Huesman) now and we don't see that as a problem.
 
Is it possible that cheating is so widespread, that to run clean programs, mediocre is the best we can do?

If we were in a P5 conference - I would agree with that statement. At that level - you have to be willing to do some things in order to stay on top consistently.

But in the A10 - I don't think we need to cheat. But I would say we need to be willing to take more risks. More risks with recruits and admissions. Yes - this may result in a kid who gets kicked off the team of flunks out from time to time, but it may also result in a really good basketball players that otherwise would have been passed over.
 
So this is just us, no proof required....do you think every P6 revenue sport has at least some guys getting money in one form or another?
Like, everyone on Alabama's football team, sure, but how many on the basketball team?
How many football players on Vanderbilt?
 
So this is just us, no proof required....do you think every P6 revenue sport has at least some guys getting money in one form or another?
Like, everyone on Alabama's football team, sure, but how many on the basketball team?
How many football players on Vanderbilt?
Not every football player on Alabama is getting paid - probably close to half are getting something, whether it was a payment when they signed with the school or some probably get some sort of compensation after a good game from a booster or two (see the movie the PROGRAM). In basketball - not all basketball players - but the top players on most teams. You reference Vanderbilt - I would say those players get nothing and as a result - they have been no good the last few years. I am sure under Stallings he was able to get some money to a recruit here and there. And now that Stackhouse is coaching with his UNC background - he will get some better recruits, which likely means some money changing hands.
You only need to look at the FBI probe to see how far down these payments went as they even mention Creighton making an offer of $100,000 for a recruit. Not sure about you - but Creighton is not the first school that comes to mind when I think paying players. But if they are willing to offer 100K, only makes you wonder what is everyone else paying and how far down does this go? Is a mid-major willing to pay 50K for a recruit or maybe even a low end program - can they pay 5-10K?
 
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I don't think the vast majority of programs are cheating or paying players under the table through boosters or some other arrangement. I think the vast majority of coaches, players, and their families have good ethics and values and know this is not only wrong, but also illegal in many cases.

There are a number of bad actors out that are cheating though, they are in the minority but get all of press and media attention.
 
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I don't think the vast majority of programs are cheating or paying players under the table through boosters or some other arrangement. I think the vast majority of coaches, players, and their families have good ethics and values and know this is not only wrong, but also illegal in many cases.

There are a number of bad actors out that are cheating though, they are in the minority but get all of press and media attention.
I disagree - I would argue that more than half of the P5 basketball and football teams are doing something illegal by NCAA standards. Some of it might be very minor - maybe just a few extra bucks here and there, or extra gear, etc. Maybe a loaner car for a day or two so a kid can get around town. Maybe a plane ticket home to see family, etc. But all of this is illegal. Minority might be the schools willing to pay 100K for a recruit, but I still think over half of them are paying kids in some manner. And not every kid on the team - just some of them.
 
I disagree - I would argue that more than half of the P5 basketball and football teams are doing something illegal by NCAA standards. Some of it might be very minor - maybe just a few extra bucks here and there, or extra gear, etc. Maybe a loaner car for a day or two so a kid can get around town. Maybe a plane ticket home to see family, etc. But all of this is illegal. Minority might be the schools willing to pay 100K for a recruit, but I still think over half of them are paying kids in some manner. And not every kid on the team - just some of them.
Every school has a very visible and public NCAA compliance program to prevent this. But I agree probably a lot of the schools are in violation of the some of the ridiculous NCAA compliance standards. But as far as paying a kid or their family under the table to play for your school, I'm pretty sure that is not only an NCAA violation but is illegal, so I think that is much more rare.
 
Every school has a very visible and public NCAA compliance program to prevent this. But I agree probably a lot of the schools are in violation of the some of the ridiculous NCAA compliance standards. But as far as paying a kid or their family under the table to play for your school, I'm pretty sure that is not only an NCAA violation but is illegal, so I think that is much more rare.

NCAA compliance is like insider trading or nepotism, a lot goes on and people turn a blind eye
 
You have coaches making millions of dollars. You have some schools also bringing in millions of dollars in Revenue. The NCAA alone is bringing in BILLIONS (with a B) in revenue alone from the NCAA Basketball tournament - and you think the NCAA compliance at the schools or NCAA wants to go out and bust the very product (the athletes) they need in order to keep making these amounts of money. Especially when a fair amount of these kids probably need some money because of their current situations.
I would agree - the 100K payments to kids is probably rare. But the booster giving a kid a couple hundred or thousand dollars over the summer. The coach paying for plane tickets home or for the family to come to campus to watch a game. Giving a kid money here and there for the weekend - I bet this happens all the time and like GaySpider said - they turn a blind eye? why - because it is in their best interest to turn a blind eye.
Notice how during this entire FBI probe into Kansas the NCAA has done nothing. They keep saying they will let the FBI do their work. In reality - they do not want to get involved because losing Kansas to NCAA basketball would be a terrible blow to their product. What Kansas is accused of is similar to the SMU football scandal - and SMU got the death penalty. They do not want to give Kansas basketball the death penalty and will look for any avenue they can to avoid it.
 
I am ALWAYS skeptical of the relatively small cadre of long-time assistants that change jobs fairly frequently that are hired for their "ties" to a particular recruiting area. I think the real cesspool is those assistants, the AAU coaches in that area, and the kid's handlers.
 
Ok, look at Will Wade. Didn't he seem pretty, comfortable, making the offers on those FBI tapes?
Will Wade is an idiot. Other coaches that due this at least put some degree of separation between themselves and payoffs, but not ole Willy Wade.
 
Ok, look at Will Wade. Didn't he seem pretty, comfortable, making the offers on those FBI tapes?
And look at Will Wade and LSU now. They are picked right now as a top 20 team and Wade is still coaching. Doesn't look like compliance is acting too quick to shut him or LSU down? Why - if LSU makes the tourney, that is more money for the school.
In my opinion - there is just too much money involved for coaches NOT to cheat. Even as an assistant - if your trying to work your way up, you just need to have 1-2 good years, and that big time payday is in reach. And guess what happens if you get caught breaking the rules - usually the NCAA just makes you vacate the wins or your team from the record books, but guess what they don't take from you - the money, you as the coach received from the school - usually in the millions. The reward far outweighs the risk at this point.
The FBI probe may change that - but if these guys get off with little to no jail sentence as expected, it does nothing.
 
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