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I'd feel decent about our chances if Wesson Sr. hadn't played at OSU and Kaleb wasn't committed there. I know we were incredibly close to landing Andre despite all that, but I feel like those guys are going to be less concerned with who the coach is and more interested in just being at OSU. Also not sure exactly where he would slot into our rotation now, given DMB and Nick are similar. I guess we could go three wings, a point guard and a big sometimes. But my sense is that we're not going to see him in a Spider jersey.
 
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it's not like OSU is going in the crapper with Matta out. their hire will be a solid name, and possibly an upgrade.
 
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Eight Legger said:
I'd feel decent about our chances if Wesson Sr. hadn't played at OSU and Kaleb wasn't committed there. I know we were incredibly close to landing Andre despite all that, but I feel like those guys are going to be less concerned with who the coach is and more interested in just being at OSU. Also not sure exactly where he would slot into our rotation now, given DMB and Nick are similar. I guess we could go three wings, a point guard and s big sometimes. But my sense is that we're not going to see him in a Spider jersey.
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A lot certainly factors in to a player's decision. Only time will tell. However, if Andre decides to open up his recruitment again, then we should be all over it in my opinion
 
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Was kidding about this, I give it a 1.2% chance. Agree with Eight Legger, brothers are probably a package deal and were probably going to OSU for the school/program more than the coach. I think the dad played there? You never know, but not feeling this one. Probably better off if Matta had stayed, the new hire will be a name and bring new promises.
 
You may be right 23, but there is another way of looking at this situation. The brothers were probably told by Matta that he would be there for a long time. Not being honest the brothers could give them pause to rethink their decisions. Just a thought!!!
 
gcarter52 said:
You may be right 23, but there is another way of looking at this situation. The brothers were probably told by Matta that he would be there for a long time. Not being honest the brothers could give them pause to rethink their decisions. Just a thought!!!
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Does Willie Wade have room on his lsu roster?
 
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Huh. Hazen is 6'8, we need front court players. I could see if Hazen was a guard that we would want to pass, but we need guys of his size. As far as saving the schollie for Bryce, Bryce has a ton of BCS offers, don't see us competing with that, and if he does end up selecting us, I have no doubt that we find a scholarship for him. Between Paul and the 5 incoming freshman next year, we will have a slot open up.
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I agree with this but I don't think brachen listing us meant that we were in fact chasing him. Candidly, as much as I'd like us to pull in one of these guys, there's a part of me that wants to give these kids the finger that chose some P5 program to pine-ride when instead they could have come here and likely contributed.

I'm not about cutting off our nose to spite our face, but I don't want guys to think they can snub us as HS seniors and then come back to us as college freshmen when things don't work out.
 
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I don't blame a kid for taking the P5 shot. there's a risk that it's too high a level, but you have that risk everywhere including UR. you believe in yourself so you usually take the highest offer. just doesn't always work out.
 
spiderman said:
I don't blame a kid for taking the P5 shot. there's a risk that it's too high a level, but you have that risk everywhere including UR. you believe in yourself so you usually take the highest offer. just doesn't always work out.
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Yes, but I think there's something perceptual that when we re-open our doors to guys who chose to go elsewhere, it sets a tone that it's ok. Generally speaking, it shouldn't be ok, we want to create a sense of value to what our offer means, and that if someone doesn't take it, we aren't going to just open it up again. And candidly, there are other guys we won't have offered who we could just as easily target and avoid the perception of being easy to rollover.
 
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Tbone, I see your point, however, I believe every kid is looking to make a decision based on his own situation. I really don't think the thought level and perception that we are re-opening the doors and our first offer is devalued is a consideration. We definitely should not be thinking that way, because we now have tangible proof (at least in my mind after the Miller interview, JOC article, etc) that we are fishing in a smaller pool. New recruits are not going to consider this. We need to get the best guys possible, and we have seen huge value in transfers (EXHIBIT A - TJ Cline).
 
no kid is thinking "I'll take the OSU offer, but if it doesn't work out I can always just go to Richmond".
 
Bottom line, if Matta's departure is causing Wesson to reconsider his options, we should be reaching out to him. As Eight pointed out, Wesson really liked our coaches and we went toe to toe with OSU until the very end, despite all of the advantages that OSU had over us. He still fills a need area in our roster.
 
if he does, then I'll start thinking about it. you're talking about a kid transferring who hasn't said he's even considering transferring.
 
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no kid is thinking "I'll take the OSU offer, but if it doesn't work out I can always just go to Richmond".
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I don't think guys getting P5 offers think much about doing anything other than taking the P5 offer, so no, they aren't calculating a soft-landing if it doesn't work out. But clearly plenty of these guys see an open door to come back and re-engage with UR. We can debate if that's good policy, and as noted, I'm not irrational about it. It just aggravates me.
 
Regarding, everything going on at OSU the last couple of years, there's a line connecting these events but either no ones seeing it or being too polite to draw it. I'll lean to the latter.
 
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... plenty of these guys see an open door to come back and re-engage with UR.
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who are we talking about? AW considered us as a transfer. am I forgetting someone else? I don't think there have been plenty but maybe I'm forgetting.
 
spiderman said:
who are we talking about? AW considered us as a transfer. am I forgetting someone else? I don't think there have been plenty but maybe I'm forgetting.
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Marshall Wood, Brachen Hazen (apparently), Jeriah Horne (even though apparently he had little interest in us). These are just the ones off the top of my head...
 
unless I missed it, Hazen didn't mention us before choosing Ball State. he did mention us when he changed his mind about Central Florida after he committed there and then the coach was fired. not the same thing, though.
you're right about Wood.
 
If a player had a final 5, then would it be surprising if he reaches out to the other 4 schools when he considers transferring?
 
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unless I missed it, Hazen didn't mention us before choosing Ball State. he did mention us when he changed his mind about Central Florida after he committed there and then the coach was fired. not the same thing, though.
you're right about Wood.
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From post 789 in this thread:

"After reopening his recruiting, Brachen Hazen listing Richmond, Ball State, Vanderbilt, Arkansas, Davidson and Texas as schools of interest."
 
urmite said:
Weren't they close last time? Dan Vance 4/12/2016

"After reopening his recruiting, Brachen Hazen listing Richmond, Ball State, Vanderbilt, Arkansas, Davidson and Texas as schools of interest."
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T, that was from 4/12/2016 ... after the Central Florida coach was fired months after he committed. he backed out and went to Arkansas. he didn't list us this spring after announcing he was transferring. he didn't list anyone. he probably knew where he was going already ... back home.
 
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T, that was from 4/12/2016 ... after the Central Florida coach was fired months after he committed. he backed out and went to Arkansas. he didn't list us this spring after announcing he was transferring. he didn't list anyone. he probably knew where he was going already ... back home.
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correct sman. I've never heard a kid decide to transfer and then list the school he's transferring from. Arkansas was after all in the list Tbone quoted above. Didn't lose Hazen this time, it was a quick turnaround probably all set in advance. I figured Valpo but Ball State would have been 2nd choice. He was staying local.

Our 1st priority is a grad transfer big but we're striking out on that badly. We'll see. But if we're not getting a grad transfer we should take a sit out transfer. I always like having 1 on roster. go all in for 18-19. If there had been mutual interest on Hazen I'd be all for it. Mistake 1 is not getting a grad transfer contributor. Still my preference. Mistake 2 would be taking so long there you also miss out on regular transfer instead. I'm in the don't save the ship camp. We'll get 1 for Bryce if we're blessed with that problem. Friendshuh may grad & move on or some other normal attrition. Non issue.
 
spiderman said:
T, that was from 4/12/2016 ... after the Central Florida coach was fired months after he committed. he backed out and went to Arkansas. he didn't list us this spring after announcing he was transferring. he didn't list anyone. he probably knew where he was going already ... back home.
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Clearly I misread that. I'm not trying to make a federal case out of this, I just don't love that we (coaches and fans) often seem willing to re-recruit guys who passed on us once already.
 
I share the trepidation, I would likely not spend any great time to reopen unless 1) if on my initial contact he/she stated they were interested in reconsideration, or 2) they initiated the contact
 
So do we have a single grad transfer that we are targeting at this point? I don't feel like I've seen or heard of anyone since the miss on Brase.
 
Who is the best keeper of transfer movement? Jeff Goodman used to have a pretty thorough one every year, but this year he doesn't seem to have that (or if he does, I am unable to find it). Verbal Commits is very outdated. Any help?
 
Eight Legger said:
Who is the best keeper of transfer movement? Jeff Goodman used to have a pretty thorough one every year, but this year he doesn't seem to have that (or if he does, I am unable to find it). Verbal Commits is very outdated. Any help?
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Eight, try Jon Rothstein.
 
If I were our coaches, and I thought there was any chance that Wesson might be re-opening his recruitment, I would be all over him. He is a "wing" who can clearly play inside, and can clearly rebound and play defense. He is a lot like Buck, except that he is probably two inches taller, and likely not nearly as hard-nosed.

However, for anyone to suggest that we could not have an excellent line-up (and a 20+ win season) with Wesson as one of 4 "guards," and with Grant Golden at center, is not in touch with reality. That might give us a stronger line-up than last season, and we were pretty good last season. Bottom line: If we could get a "yes" from Wesson, we would be in great shape for the next 3 years. Wesson could have a bigger impact than Hazen, in part because Hazen is a one year gig. Whether Wesson is serious about us, well that is an unknown at this point. Should we be talking to Wesson, and talking to him about his younger brother, and inviting one or both in? Absolutely!
 
Spideroldie said:
If I were our coaches, and I thought there was any chance that Wesson might be re-opening his recruitment, I would be all over him. He is a "wing" who can clearly play inside, and can clearly rebound and play defense. He is a lot like Buck, except that he is probably two inches taller, and likely not nearly as hard-nosed.

However, for anyone to suggest that we could not have an excellent line-up (and a 20+ win season) with Wesson as one of 4 "guards," and with Grant Golden at center, is not in touch with reality. That might give us a stronger line-up than last season, and we were pretty good last season. Bottom line: If we could get a "yes" from Wesson, we would be in great shape for the next 3 years. Wesson could have a bigger impact than Hazen, in part because Hazen is a one year gig. Whether Wesson is serious about us, well that is an unknown at this point. Should we be talking to Wesson, and talking to him about his younger brother, and inviting one or both in? Absolutely!
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I believe both Hazen and Wesson would have to redshirt a year and then have multiple seasons.
 
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Spideroldie said:
Wesson could have a bigger impact than Hazen, in part because Hazen is a one year gig. Whether Wesson is serious about us, well that is an unknown at this point. Should we be talking to Wesson, and talking to him about his younger brother, and inviting one or both in? Absolutely!
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A. Wesson and Hazen are in the exact same boat eligibility wise...played last year as true freshmen, so they’d sit one year and play three. (Note that Ball State didn’t have any scholarships available for next year, so Hazen will have to pay his own way while he sits out until one opens up.)

B. We can’t talk to Andre Wesson...he hasn’t been granted a release, or even expressed interest in transferring. Same deal with Kaleb...he’s signed and reportedly already enrolled in classes at OSU (and has said he hasn’t considered going anywhere else).
 
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If I were our coaches, and I thought there was any chance that Wesson might be re-opening his recruitment, I would be all over him. He is a "wing" who can clearly play inside, and can clearly rebound and play defense. He is a lot like Buck, except that he is probably two inches taller, and likely not nearly as hard-nosed.

However, for anyone to suggest that we could not have an excellent line-up (and a 20+ win season) with Wesson as one of 4 "guards," and with Grant Golden at center, is not in touch with reality. That might give us a stronger line-up than last season, and we were pretty good last season. Bottom line: If we could get a "yes" from Wesson, we would be in great shape for the next 3 years. Wesson could have a bigger impact than Hazen, in part because Hazen is a one year gig. Whether Wesson is serious about us, well that is an unknown at this point. Should we be talking to Wesson, and talking to him about his younger brother, and inviting one or both in? Absolutely!
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This is a bunch of silliness. Wesson isn't leaving OSU.
 
Reports of his commitment to Robert Morris were apparently premature.
 
SFspidur said:
Reports of his commitment to Robert Morris were apparently premature.
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Do we know if he visited RMU? At one point, I was seeing visits for 6/2 & 6/20. Or maybe he cancelled both of them?
 
"Could happen" means "will happen" assuming he is admitted. Welcome to Kwesi, Part 2. Chicago State is typically one of the worst 5 programs in Division I, not to mention a terrible school, so I'm not sure how the admissions process will go here anyway. He averaged 3 points and 3 rebounds in a limited role two years ago for a garbage program (18-78 the past three seasons). I would rather take a normal transfer, TBH.
 
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