Transfer season

[Eight Legger]

Yes, until Paul F grad transfers to Xavier after this season and becomes the next Matt Stainbrook.

Yeah, this (or some other version of it). I can't see Paul sticking arond for a fifth year at this rate. And even if he does, it's likely someone else would leave. If Bryce wants to come here, we'll find a way to get him here. But if we have any shot at Hazen this time, we need to take it now.

 

[urmite]

I know he had quite a few offers. Visited Indiana. Visited, committed, then decommitted from UCF. Anyone remember his other visits? Vandy?

 

[97spiderfan]

I know he had quite a few offers. Visited Indiana. Visited, committed, then decommitted from UCF. Anyone remember his other visits? Vandy?

Hazen may have a bit of Andrew White in him.

 

[GKiller]

Too bad Hazen didn't come last year we'd have a really nice combo with him & Grant and have no need for grad transfer. The grad transfer market now looks like a bunch of breadcrumbs. losing Hans was a killer. That's on the staff with our need for inside depth. Had we filled that well I'd be bullish on 17-18' prospects. I guess there could be some working on summer graduation we don't know about but everyone with a spot would be after any decent frontcourt player. I'd love Hazen but this smells like Valpo. His bball recruit brother is incoming freshman there and family is local in Indiana.

 

[SFspidur]

Collecting relevant tidbits from JOC's article on Solly...

Mooney said Wednesday that the Spiders are still in the market for a graduate transfer. “New graduate transfers are becoming available,” he said. “I think it’s a fairly unpredictable thing right now, but we’re still definitely involved.”

http://www.richmond.com/sports/soll...cle_795f19d3-f27c-5f80-97bd-6cffecd86860.html

 

[Eight Legger]

Of the grad transfers still available, I'd say these guys would fit our profile (I preface this by saying some may have committed elsewhere already – I haven't checked and the site I use isn't entirely updated):

• Benas Griciunas, Charlotte – a 7-footer who didn't play a ton but seems to have contributed more there (at a higher level) than Abakah did at Northeastern. Would be a nice serviceable reserve big.

• Nick Fuller, Nebraska – a 6-7 forward who played only 85 minutes this year but at least scored double digits in three Big Ten games.

• Alex Foster, Bradley – a 6-8 forward who seems to be a more athletic but equally productive Abakah-type.

• Akoy Agau, Georgetown – a 6-8 forward we have discussed on here, not likely to fall to us.

• Khari Harley, Ohio – a skinny 6-8 forward who I assume was hurt this year (only played in one game). In the prior season, he averaged 3.4 ppg and 1.4 rpg in 14 minutes per game.

• Cole Harrison, Dartmouth – a 6-11 center who missed this season and is probably another Abakah-type, with more girth.

• Payton Hulsey, Charleston – a 6-5 wing who missed most of the season with injury but as a junior started 30 games and averaged 5 and 5.

• Wadley Mompremier, Ohio – a 6-10 center who missed this season (apparently) but didn't do much previously.

• Marko Pirovic, Maine – a 6-7 forward who averaged 6 ppg and about 4 rpg this year.

 

[SFspidur]

Most of those guys are off the board...Mompremier and Harley to Little Rock, Foster to Albany, Hulsey to Florida Atlantic, Griciunus to Eastern Washington, Fuller to South Dakota.

 

[Ulla1]

Give the schollie to Joe; we should be fine.

 

[GKiller]

Give the schollie to Joe; we should be fine.

ulla weren't u a few days ago calling the seton hall grad prospect the missing link? anyway we have been fine. But I think lot of ppl tired of being 1 player short. Bernard would made a difference last year. Not mooney's fault. This year not so much. Think staff bummed lost Hans but no credible backup plan? We'll see. But there's a stark opening on roster for an inside contributor not just a body. I'd like to be very good not fine. 17-18 has lot of potential, think many r sleeping on the Spiders....IF we can fill spot correctly but right now again 1 player short.

 

[Ulla1]

ulla weren't u a few days ago calling the seton hall grad prospect the missing link? anyway we have been fine. But I think lot of ppl tired of being 1 player short. Bernard would made a difference last year. Not mooney's fault. This year not so much. Think staff bummed lost Hans but no credible backup plan? We'll see. But there's a stark opening on roster for an inside contributor not just a body. I'd like to be very good not fine. 17-18 has lot of potential, think many r sleeping on the Spiders....IF we can fill spot correctly but right now again 1 player short.

G, hey I would be all for a good transfer who could contribute while maintaining team chemistry; not a simple problem. Right now we have a starting 5 which includes 3 lockdown defenders (Khwan, Buck and Solly), everyone in the starting 5 is a lethal scorer, tremendous speed with Khwan at the helm (was told line all the guys up at one baseline and Khwan is way fast), and improved height and athleticism. Sure a great transfer who fits in would be desiresble, but we are already going to be formidable.

 

[MrTbone]

G, hey I would be all for a good transfer who could contribute while maintaining team chemistry; not a simple problem. Right now we have a starting 5 which includes 3 lockdown defenders (Khwan, Buck and Solly), everyone in the starting 5 is a lethal scorer, tremendous speed with Khwan at the helm (was told line all thr guys up at one baseline and Khwan is way fast), and improved height and athleticism. Sure a great transfer who fits in would be desiresble, but we are already going to be formidable.

I don't think anyone is questioning how good the projected starting five are. It's how good are the backup two we have at 4/5? PaulF? 1 of 3 unproven freshmen? We can make do with the squad as made up, but we should be pushing very hard to get a guy in who can push the abovementioned crew for time.

 

[97spiderfan]

Yep. We had a pretty good starting 5 last year. Problem was when we went to the bench and had a noticeable drop off in talent. This is why we need all 13 schollies filled and not give them to walk ons. We've seen how that script has played out the last several years.

 

[Ulla1]

Yep. We had a pretty good starting 5 last year. Problem was when we went to the bench and had a noticeable drop off in talent. This is why we need all 13 schollies filled and not give them to walk ons. We've seen how that script has played out the last several years.

97, no our starting 5 last year lacked size and athleticism; really different from this year's group. Then our subs were generally short. This year is entirely different.

 

[MrTbone]

97, no our starting 5 last year lacked size and athleticism; really different from this year's group. Then our subs were generally short. This year is entirely different.

Our subs won't necessarily be short but we would be relying on 2-4 guys who are 6'7" or taller but have a combined what, 46 minutes of collegiate game time? Or we follow last year's model and play small with more experience. Those shouldn't be Plan A and Plan B.

 

[Ulla1]

Our subs won't necessarily be short but we would be relying on 2-4 guys who are 6'7" or taller but have a combined what, 46 minutes of collegiate game time? Or we follow last year's model and play small with more experience. Those shouldn't be Plan A and Plan B.

Wow.

 

[MrTbone]

Wow.

Why wow?

 

[Ulla1]

This year players 6'5" or taller not starting:
AJ Ford 6'8", Tomas Verbinskis 6'7", Nathan Cayo 6'7", Paul Friendshuh 6'10", Bryce Schneider 6'5".

Last year:
Paul Friendshuh 6'10", Marshall Wood 6'8"

Pretty different. May add that all are athletic, can handle and shoot.

 

[MrTbone]

This year players 6'5" or taller not starting:
AJ Ford 6'8", Tomas Verbinskis 6'7", Nathan Cayo 6'7", Paul Friendshuh 6'10", Bryce Schneider 6'5".

Last year:
Paul Friendshuh 6'10", Marshall Wood 6'8"

Pretty different. May add that all are atletic, can handle and shoot.

Ulla, nowhere did I say that we weren't taller or potentially more skilled, im very familiar with the height improvement in the roster.

None of that changes the stark reality that we have virtually no collegiate game experience at our forward spots, including the expected starters. I'm optimistic, but I also think that if we aren't adding more frontcourt pieces that could extend our depth, we aren't putting ourselves in the best competitive position.

 

[Ulla1]

Ulla, nowhere did I say that we weren't taller or potentially more skilled, im very familiar with the height improvement in the roster.

None of that changes the stark reality that we have virtually no collegiate game experience at our forward spots, including the expected starters. I'm optimistic, but I also think that if we aren't adding more frontcourt pieces that could extend our depth, we aren't putting ourselves in the best competitive position.

Buck had zero game experience; how did that turn out?

 

[MrTbone]

Buck had zero game experience; how did that turn out?

Fair point. Not every freshman will be like DMB though.

 

[Ulla1]

Fair point. Not every freshman will be like DMB though.

T, I agree. But what we are looking for are a few minutes from 5 freshmen to spell some of the upperclassmen. Really think we will be ok. But like everyone, I too would like any positive addition available.

 

[Ulla1]

By the way, was at UR the last couple of days for meetings. Talked with coaches and watched our guys practice (scrimmage) a bit. They are working hard and looking good; all skilled, all strong, all ready.

 

[SpiderK]

By the way, was at UR the last couple of days for meetings. Talked with coaches and watched our guys practice (scrimmage) a bit. They are working hard and looking good; all skilled, all strong, all ready.

Any of the new kids there yet?

 

[spiderman]

say we go a true 8 deep on normal night, with a guy or 2 getting a couple of random minutes. we KNOW 7 of the 8.
Khwan, Buck, Nick, Solly, Grant, Julius and Jacob.
we need one more and he has to have size. we've got Paul, AJ and Cayo to compete for that time. like Ulla, I'm confident we're in good shape here. we'll certainly keep trying to find big help/depth, but enough with the doom and gloom about what we can't be since we didn't land Hans. there's nothing out there. if we landed a Paul clone as a grad transfer today we'd be happy as pigs in slop. "yeah he hasn't played, but look at the offers he had!".

 

[Spiders05]

Any of the new kids there yet?

No - June 18th.

 

[97spiderfan]

This year players 6'5" or taller not starting:
AJ Ford 6'8", Tomas Verbinskis 6'7", Nathan Cayo 6'7", Paul Friendshuh 6'10", Bryce Schneider 6'5".

Last year:
Paul Friendshuh 6'10", Marshall Wood 6'8"

Pretty different. May add that all are atletic, can handle and shoot.

4 freshman who we have yet to see step foot on the court and Paul, who we have seen and unfortunately he hasn't shown an aptitude for any of the 3 attributes you describe. You do a lot of chicken counting before the eggs have hatched. DMB did not have game experience but DMB had a plethora of BCS offers, was player of the year, and led his team to multiple state championships. None of those freshman you describe have near the pedigree that DMB has.

 

[I-M-UR]

This year players 6'5" or taller not starting:
AJ Ford 6'8", Tomas Verbinskis 6'7", Nathan Cayo 6'7", Paul Friendshuh 6'10", Bryce Schneider 6'5".

Last year:
Paul Friendshuh 6'10", Marshall Wood 6'8"

Pretty different. May add that all are atletic, can handle and shoot.

HUH? 6'5' is not going to defend or occupy the post on offense. We started a 6'10" TJ, next year yes we have some more 6'7" height but freshmen or unproven

 

[Ulla1]

HUH? 6'5' is not going to defend or occupy the post on offense. We started a 6'10" TJ, next year yes we have some more 6'7" height but freshmen or unproven

Never mentioned "post".

 

[spiderstudent17]

Kansas big man grad transfer Dwight Coleby is considering Western Kentucky University among other smaller schools. Richmond is in a much better basketball league than any of these teams. Getting bigger name players to come to smaller schools isn't unheard of. There's no reason why we shouldn't at least try going after these type of guys. Just goes to show how important being a good recruiter is.

 

[Eight Legger]

Judging from that list of options, I'm guessing he couldn't sniff his way past admissions at UR, unfortunately.

 

[SFspidur]

WKU has Rick Stansbury...never bet against him in a recruiting battle. He's got a top ten class coming in including a top ten guy in Mitchell Robinson.

 

[urmite]

 

[urmite]

Just noticed, is WKU already 2 over the limit?

 

[SFspidur]

No idea at this point, that roster is such a mess. I think Stansbury just does whatever he wants.

 

[urmite]

Another player we have mentioned in this thread

 

[iSpider]

This year players 6'5" or taller not starting:
AJ Ford 6'8", Tomas Verbinskis 6'7", Nathan Cayo 6'7", Paul Friendshuh 6'10", Bryce Schneider 6'5".
Last year:
Paul Friendshuh 6'10", Marshall Wood 6'8"
Pretty different. May add that all are athletic, can handle and shoot.

Really? We don't know yet whether any of Verbinskis, Cayo, Ford or Schneider can both dribble and chew gum at the same time. I certainly hope that they all contribute, but if they do, it will be a new experience for our program based upon a comparison of recruits drawn from similar pools.

I would not consider myself a pessimist, but with respect to our BB program, I feel that a safer, sounder approach is to view the water level of the glass as right where it was in years past plus rainfall, less evaporation, realizing that rain levels have been down and evaporation has soared.

My attitude has changed because I am tired of disappointment and excuses. When things change in the program, so will my attitude. Meanwhile, I find it dangerous to take Voltaire literally. There are times when one needs to temper his Candide with The Blood of Others (Simone de Beauvoir).
.

 

[urmite]

Really? We don't know yet whether any of Verbinskis, Cayo, Ford or Schneider can both dribble and chew gum at the same time. I certainly hope that they all contribute, but if they do, it will be a new experience for our program based upon a comparison of recruits drawn from similar pools.

I would not consider myself a pessimist, but with respect to our BB program, I feel that a safer, sounder approach is to view the water level of the glass as right where it was in years past plus rainfall, less evaporation, realizing that rain levels have been down and evaporation has soared.

My attitude has changed because I am tired of disappointment and excuses. When things change in the program, so will my attitude. Meanwhile, I find it dangerous to take Voltaire literally. There are times when one needs to temper his Candide with The Blood of Others (Simone de Beauvoir).
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Are you really trying to tell me this not the best of all possible philosophies?

 

[iSpider]

That is a great example of my exact thought and reference when making my post.
The only addition that could be added to that excerpt is "Objection, what about Spiders?
Of course, the Ulla would have responded exactly in the vein of the other answers.
Bravo. Take a bow.

 

[SFspidur]

Agau headed to SMU.

 

[Eight Legger]

We have a handshake agreement with a P5 power forward, who will announce July 31 that he is becoming a grad transfer. By then, we will be the only team in the nation with a free spot. It will be glorious.