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The Official Fire Chris Mooney Thread - 2018-2019 Edition

And that shows your age, sport, and geographic location.

I believe we played them in football as a conference game from 1964-1977. Sometime in Greenville, SC (Not NC)
We also played Furman in the Quarterfinals of the 2005 1-AA playoffs.

Davidson was the best basketball team in the Southern Conference for a while, before deciding to join the A10 and put another team ahead of UR in the quest for championships.
 
I am hoping against hope that Moliva doesn't have to start one of these threads for the 20-21 season.

My sick mind is picturing PQ picking up a catatonic Hardt from his house and wheeling him to his AD's office in the RC every day. Most days he remembers to pick him up at night to take him home, though sometimes he forgets and they just roll to the next day.
 
Do the FMM guys ever go to Spider Sportsline? I am thinking of heading over to Glory Days. Maybe they'd like to sell me a T-shirt while the show is on the air?
 
Get crushed on the rebounds. The opposing team shoots 64 percent from the foul line and still wins. Get very little production from the bench. Rhode Island gets 16 points from its bench.
 
Last 50 Spider bball games 19-31. Unacceptable. .38 win %. Nuff said.
Had we told Ulla at the start of the 2018 season that we would be 19-31 over our next 50, I wonder what he would have said in that moment.
 
Last 5 "two season" records

2010-2011 55-17
35-31
40-28
38-29
19-30 (15 games to go)
 
This tweet is not going to endear O'Connor to Mooney. I think that there might be an underlying drum beat if you listen closely.

Yeah think you’re right on JOC.

Anyway re: McKillop I’m convinced we could have had him in 2002. Miller needed to push way harder on that one. It was there. Total screw up. McKillop would have best transition possible after Beilein due to style of play. Oh what could have been. His son was going to be a freshman at Davidson but so was Patrick Beilein here at UR then he went to wva with dad. As expected. Matt McKillop could have come to UR. Nobody would have minded. Timing was great. Now in 2005 no. His son was going into his senior year at Davidson he wasn’t going to leave then.
 
Yeah think you’re right on JOC.

Anyway re: McKillop I’m convinced we could have had him in 2002. Miller needed to push way harder on that one. It was there. Total screw up. McKillop would have best transition possible after Beilein due to style of play. Oh what could have been. His son was going to be a freshman at Davidson but so was Patrick Beilein here at UR then he went to wva with dad. As expected. Matt McKillop could have come to UR. Nobody would have minded. Timing was great. Now in 2005 no. His son was going into his senior year at Davidson he wasn’t going to leave then.
Do we get Steph Curry in ‘06?!?! Do I become best friends with Steph Curry at Richmond?!?!

Damn you Jim Miller from preventing me from having a new best friend...
 
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So im still speculating we are going to end up around 13-18 or so. My theory the last several years was three things could get CM fired: 1) some kind of academic/recruiting violation, 2) a personal problem injurious to URs brand, or 3) back to back losing seasons.

Several folks seem to think back to back losing seasons isn’t enough so it got me thinking. Is there a number of wins/losses that changes the calculus on this? For example, I think it would be virtually impossible to go winless the remainder of the season and retain him. 7-24 or whatever that is?

So taking out the reality of our upcoming matchups, is there a record that Hardt can’t ignore?
 
So im still speculating we are going to end up around 13-18 or so. My theory the last several years was three things could get CM fired: 1) some kind of academic/recruiting violation, 2) a personal problem injurious to URs brand, or 3) back to back losing seasons.

Several folks seem to think back to back losing seasons isn’t enough so it got me thinking. Is there a number of wins/losses that changes the calculus on this? For example, I think it would be virtually impossible to go winless the remainder of the season and retain him. 7-24 or whatever that is?

So taking out the reality of our upcoming matchups, is there a record that Hardt can’t ignore?
Good question. I'm done trying to play nostradamus of what Hardt is going to do, I just don't know.

All I know is that if he can't look at the increasingly empty stands, the complete disengagement of the program by our student body, the talent we have relevant to other A-10 programs, the 8 years of no NCAA, and back to back losing seasons and make what should be an easy and obvious call after all of that, our athletic department has some huge foundational issues that run way deeper than the failings of our head men's basketball coach.
 
So im still speculating we are going to end up around 13-18 or so. My theory the last several years was three things could get CM fired: 1) some kind of academic/recruiting violation, 2) a personal problem injurious to URs brand, or 3) back to back losing seasons.

Several folks seem to think back to back losing seasons isn’t enough so it got me thinking. Is there a number of wins/losses that changes the calculus on this? For example, I think it would be virtually impossible to go winless the remainder of the season and retain him. 7-24 or whatever that is?

So taking out the reality of our upcoming matchups, is there a record that Hardt can’t ignore?
I can see UR going winless the rest of the season.
 
So im still speculating we are going to end up around 13-18 or so. My theory the last several years was three things could get CM fired: 1) some kind of academic/recruiting violation, 2) a personal problem injurious to URs brand, or 3) back to back losing seasons.

Several folks seem to think back to back losing seasons isn’t enough so it got me thinking. Is there a number of wins/losses that changes the calculus on this? For example, I think it would be virtually impossible to go winless the remainder of the season and retain him. 7-24 or whatever that is?

So taking out the reality of our upcoming matchups, is there a record that Hardt can’t ignore?

I think it would probably be a combination of a losing season and looking really bad in several games. So far, we are 1-4 in the A-10 and have looked really bad in most of them. We should be playing better.
 
Good question. I'm done trying to play nostradamus of what Hardt is going to do, I just don't know.

All I know is that if he can't look at the increasingly empty stands, the complete disengagement of the program by our student body, the talent we have relevant to other A-10 programs, the 8 years of no NCAA, and back to back losing seasons and make what should be an easy and obvious call after all of that, our athletic department has some huge foundational issues that run way deeper than the failings of our head men's basketball coach.


Add to all of the above the clear dissatisfaction being expressed here and other places by alums, fans, and even more casual observers of the program, and the numbers (stats, record, etc.) that point to a program that is on life support and in the worst shape it's been in 40 years. Hardt has to do something. Perhaps another really embarrasing home loss, or CM losing his cool (very unlikely given his current pay and apparent acceptance of the status quo) will force Hardt's hand.

#NoMoreMooneyTruthing
 
I think it would probably be a combination of a losing season and looking really bad in several games. So far, we are 1-4 in the A-10 and have looked really bad in most of them. We should be playing better.
Add to all of the above the clear dissatisfaction being expressed here and other places by alums, fans, and even more casual observers of the program, and the numbers (stats, record, etc.) that point to a program that is on life support and in the worst shape it's been in 40 years. Hardt has to do something. Perhaps another really embarrasing home loss, or CM losing his cool (very unlikely given his current pay and apparent acceptance of the status quo) will force Hardt's hand.

#NoMoreMooneyTruthing
Not since the year we went 4&22 and earlier under "Losin Lew" were we this horrible!
 
So im still speculating we are going to end up around 13-18 or so. My theory the last several years was three things could get CM fired: 1) some kind of academic/recruiting violation, 2) a personal problem injurious to URs brand, or 3) back to back losing seasons.

Several folks seem to think back to back losing seasons isn’t enough so it got me thinking. Is there a number of wins/losses that changes the calculus on this? For example, I think it would be virtually impossible to go winless the remainder of the season and retain him. 7-24 or whatever that is?

So taking out the reality of our upcoming matchups, is there a record that Hardt can’t ignore?

I don't think there's a record he can't ignore. He can do whatever he wants. Remember, "Iowa Football had 20 consecutive non-winning seasons and the fans still came out."

The nuclear 7-24 scenario is so statistically unlikely...but yeah, if he tried to ignore a 15-game losing streak to end the season and a last place finish in the A10, the vitriol headed his way would be unimaginable.

Monte Carlo is projecting 11-20 (5-13) as the most frequent outcome. That is much worse than last year's 11-19 (9-9) considering the relative schedule strength. I certainly hope we do much better.

Anything close to .500 opens the door to the "candy and nuts" excuse-making, starting with "If we had Nick..." I really do believe that having Nick would add a couple of wins (over the entire season). I also believe the PTB have bought into the "we will be so much better next year" narrative.
 
Remember last year, we had a terrible OOC and then outperformed in conference and at the end of the year had the narrative that all 5 starters were returning. The team did get better as they year progressed. We beat some decent teams last year (Davidson twice, an average VCU team twice) So, there was at least an argument to be made that things were looking up at the end of the season.

We will see how this season plays out, but right now that narrative is looking very different. The team is not getting better, in fact, things seem to be getting worse and we haven't beaten anyone is who is any good. The good teams we have played have completely outclassed us. Haven't played VCU yet, but given how they look vs. how we look, I don't like our odds against them.
 
97, certainly haven't forgotten. That's why the "just wait 'til we have Nick and Blake" narrative is so important now.
 
97, certainly haven't forgotten. That's why the "just wait 'til we have Nick and Blake" narrative is so important now.
I hear ya. I think if we see this narrative spread beyond Mooney and perhaps Bob Black, we have an issue. Right now, this seems to be Mooney's mantra. Is it Hardt's though?
 
Monte Carlo is projecting 11-20 (5-13) as the most frequent outcome. That is much worse than last year's 11-19 (9-9) considering the relative schedule strength. I certainly hope we do much better.

Anything close to .500 opens the door to the "candy and nuts" excuse-making, starting with "If we had Nick..." I really do believe that having Nick would add a couple of wins (over the entire season). I also believe the PTB have bought into the "we will be so much better next year" narrative.
Definitely a catch-22 situation. I want the Spiders to do much better than the projection, but that also puts us in the "close to .500" scenario. I think CM has one more year with another .500 record in conference. If they finish below 0.500, then there is a chance that a change is made for next season.

There definitely isn't much positive news to point to when the team was one of two in the A-10 that did not have a winning record at home last year and are trending that way again this year. In the misery loves company category, there are 2 other A10 teams with losing records at home at this point and 1 at 0.500, so hooray??

Still a bunch of basketball to play, so I'll hope for the best.
 
The bottom line question to ask yourselves is this: What would a real college basketball program do in this situation?

We all know the answer.
 
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