The competition thread
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LOL. Other than that, they had a good final minute, right? The one and dones are not working out for Duke and Ky. Neither has been to a final four since 2015.
I think Mooney has won more than he has lost against him. I like Schmidt and I like McKillop, but it is funny that they can do no wrong. I mean, they lose to lesser teams and they are still awesome, but man, if we lose to someone like that? Look out!
Look at 15.5 years of data. Was that a serious question?
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What data are you looking at?
Mooney is 141-115 IC and 283-225 overall at UR.
Schmidt is 123-103 IC and 236-181 overall at SBU.
Mooney is 131-93 IC and 262-186 overall since Schmidt started at SBU.
Mooney has 2 NCAAs and 2 NITs and Schmidt has 2 NCAAs and 1 NIT.
Mooney has 6 top 4 A-10 finishes. Schmidt has 4.
Mooney is 10-9 against Schmidt.
4700 is the ultimate Mooney truther troll. Its really too bad moon didn't go to BC 8 years ago and he would be defending Mooney on some lower level d1 teams message board.
We had a nice thread going that had no reason to become yet another Mooney pissing contest.
And the thing is , it just defeats itself by vigorously defending Mooney mediocrity, which just eggs on the die hards that don't want all the excuses and settling for NCAAs every 10 years.
Not 3 weeks, but 3 days. It is only half over, they are taking a 66 hour intermission...
Missed the point. No coach comparison intended or implied in my post.
Your question was "Is Mooney also a bargain?" I suggested 15.5 years of data renders the question ludicrous. If you want to defend mediocrity at a great price, go for it my friend.
Just look at the record. Being .500 isn't cutting it for me. I like winning championships. With Mooney it seems like every 5 years you get a really great team. Once that team wins a championship or advances to a sweet 16. It takes like 5 years to replicate the past success. I understand this is a small college. However, this small college also won a national championship. I know it was a lower division for football. Winning championships matter.
Fair point. My point was just that it is funny that the same ones who praised and complimented Schmidt are the ones who often get on Mooney. Yet, their records are similar, with Mooney even having the advantage in some spots. So, if I get a lot of crap on here for supporting Mooney, why is it perfectly fine to support Schmidt? FWIW, I like them both.
Schmidt is winning at St.. Bonnie!! He coaches at a school with far less resources, in the middle of nowhere, that is awful to get to, and is brutally cold. Schmidt does a lot more with less.
You just backed up my point. "A lot more" with less or really about the same with less? And I'm not even sure the less is dramatic as you think. But, even if it is, "a lot more"? Really?
You wake up in the morning looking for positive news to brighten your day and you check the basketball scores. And after being down at home 40 to 25 at the half you read that the Bonnies scored 45 in the second half while holding their opponent (unnamed) to FOURTEEN and suddenly all is right with the world!
Schmidt has what should be a CAA or MAAC level program competing for A10 championships more often than not. That's why he's a great coach. Put him in a bigger school in an urban market with a bigger recruiting budget and more name recognition, and look out.
He's also an excellent in-game coach. Exhibit A: last night.
He's also an excellent in-game coach. Exhibit A: last night.
If you've actually watched VCU play, you would see that their record is largely a reflection of that crappy schedule they've played. They are just not a top tier A-10 program this year and we saw last night what a top tier A-10 program can and should do to them.
Not saying we should walk all over them but am saying our talent and experience should make us prohibitive favorites in both games.
Not saying we should walk all over them but am saying our talent and experience should make us prohibitive favorites in both games.
Back end of the home-and-home that started at SEMO on Saturday. Morehead won the opener by 14. Game is on ESPNU for those who are really committed.
More often than not? You make my point as well. They have finished better than 4th only twice in his 13 seasons, and only 4th or better 4 times. More often than not? Really?
I do agree he is a good coach, but I just think there is a lot of trying to prove he is on here with incorrect information. And, if Exhibit A is last night, do we just ignore exhibit B against Rhode Island, when they were leading at the half, but gave up a 13-0 run to start the second half and ended up losing to them? Imagine the talk on here if we did that. That is my point.
SBU has pretty much always been a strong program even before Schmidt, outside of when they used an ineligible player and were docked scholarships and banned from postseason for 3 or 4 years. that would set any program back.
it's apparently never been that hard to recruit to Olean for some reason.
it's apparently never been that hard to recruit to Olean for some reason.
I think we all agree Schmidt is a good coach. he definitely rides his top guys and it seems like he does every year. last night he did so exclusively and he probably needed to. but even at the end with a 16 point lead, his starters were in. 2 guys played 40. the others played 38, 35 and 35.
I personally am fine with that if his players are capable of playing those minutes. some on this board get too concerned with getting the bench ready for the tournament or for next year. he'll develop his bench in practice. they'll be ready when it's their time. or they won't.
there are different ways to coach. VCU typically runs more players out there. that works for them. SBU and UR usually play fewer. while Gilyard and Francis are our backcourt, I'm good with that.
I personally am fine with that if his players are capable of playing those minutes. some on this board get too concerned with getting the bench ready for the tournament or for next year. he'll develop his bench in practice. they'll be ready when it's their time. or they won't.
there are different ways to coach. VCU typically runs more players out there. that works for them. SBU and UR usually play fewer. while Gilyard and Francis are our backcourt, I'm good with that.
Since the mega-extension:
St. Bonaventure NCAA Money ÷ Schmidt's salary
Richmond NCAA Money ÷ Mooney's salary
One of those equations has a greater numerator and a lesser denominator. Math isn't hard.
Are we really having the "bargain" debate?
St. Bonaventure NCAA Money ÷ Schmidt's salary
Richmond NCAA Money ÷ Mooney's salary
One of those equations has a greater numerator and a lesser denominator. Math isn't hard.
Are we really having the "bargain" debate?
Maybe well play a game by the start of the Aussie open. If not, at least there is that to talk about.
Me too ply. I am not trying to argue. Just debating. I will say it again, I like Schmidt, but I do find it interesting that he gets a lot of praise on here by those that get on our coach. I'm not at all saying they should all support our coach because I expect differing opinions there, but it is all about the post season with many on here, and Schmidt has 2 NCAAs, 1 NIT, and only 1 post season win ( a play in win) in 13 years. So, why do we hear that he is a bargain and could coach circles around our coach, who has 2 NCAAS, 2 NITs, and 6 post season wins (2 NCAA, 4 NIT), including a sweet 16 appearance? And, this doesn't even include last year, when we were 14-4 and 24-7 and SBU was 11-7 and 19-12.
I don't expect to change anyone's mind. Just debating, that's all. But, when a post says Schmidt has done "a lot more" with less than Mooney, and 7 people like that post, it sure seems like it might be an agenda driven issue instead of a normal debate. But, no big deal. All good.
I don't expect to change anyone's mind. Just debating, that's all. But, when a post says Schmidt has done "a lot more" with less than Mooney, and 7 people like that post, it sure seems like it might be an agenda driven issue instead of a normal debate. But, no big deal. All good.
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It's certainly reasonable to wonder what Schmidt might be able to accomplish at a school with more resources.
Maybe when someone compliments another coach, don't always take it as a personal affront.
Moving on. Who do we like in the Morehead State game?
Moving on. Who do we like in the Morehead State game?
He coaches at St Bonnie VT! Its a tougher job than Richmond. He's in Olean NY. Tougher to recruit, tougher to get to, smaller budget, just a harder job. And you are the only poster on here in my opinion that has an agenda.
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