The competition thread

[ChoppinBroccoli]

curiosity got the best of me. I guess the NCAA tournament in 2018 was the first year that they used NET right? That said, surprisingly there is precedence for a mid-major getting in there as an at large with a Q4 loss.

2019 - VCU - no Q4 loss
2019 - Belmont - no Q4 loss
2019 - Gonzaga - no Q4 loss
2019 - Nevada - no Q4 loss
2018 - Nevada - no Q4 loss
2018 - St. Bonaventure - no Q4 loss
2018 - Rhode Island - 1 Q4 loss

2018-2019 was the first year of the NET. Because of last year's cancellation, it has only been used as a selection tool for one tournament.

The Quad system started earlier.

Rhode Island did not have a Quad 4 loss in 2018. They were 2-6 in Q1, 4-1 in Q2, 10-1 in Q3, and 10-0 in Q4.
All of their non-conference losses were Quad 1.
They were also the A10 regular season champion, and played the 5th ranked non-conference schedule in the country.

 

[8legs1dream]

2018-2019 was the first year of the NET. Because of last year's cancellation, it has only been used as a selection tool for one tournament.

The Quad system started earlier.

Rhode Island did not have a Quad 4 loss in 2018. They were 2-6 in Q1, 4-1 in Q2, 10-1 in Q3, and 10-0 in Q4.
All of their non-conference losses were Quad 1.
They were also the A10 regular season champion, and played the 5th ranked non-conference schedule in the country.

Odd, the site I was referencing showed their home loss to St Joe's that year as a Q4 loss.🤷‍♂️

and yeah I know they had several other factors at play that season that got them in the door, I was strictly looking for Q4 losses.

 

[ChoppinBroccoli]

Odd, the site I was referencing showed their home loss to St Joe's that year as a Q4 loss.🤷‍♂️

and yeah I know they had several other factors at play that season that got them in the door, I was strictly looking for Q4 losses.

I'm not sure what site you're using - my data is straight from the NCAA team sheet the committee uses.
St. Joe's was their only Q3 loss. It was not Q4. Their only Q2 loss was the A10 Championship game.

 

[VT4700]

curiosity got the best of me. I guess the NCAA tournament in 2018 was the first year that they used NET right? That said, surprisingly there is precedence for a mid-major getting in there as an at large with a Q4 loss.

2019 - VCU - no Q4 loss
2019 - Belmont - no Q4 loss
2019 - Gonzaga - no Q4 loss
2019 - Nevada - no Q4 loss
2018 - Nevada - no Q4 loss
2018 - St. Bonaventure - no Q4 loss
2018 - Rhode Island - 1 Q4 loss

Using the quad system in 2018, Houston had a quad 4 loss to Drexel (254 Net) and got an at large.

 

[8legs1dream]

I'm not sure what site you're using - my data is straight from the NCAA team sheet the committee uses.
St. Joe's was their only Q3 loss. It was not Q4. Their only Q2 loss was the A10 Championship game.

I was using Warren Nolan's site http://warrennolan.com/basketball/2018/team-sheet?team=Rhode-Island

never known any of the info there to be wrong before, I wonder what else is off 😬

 

[8legs1dream]

Using the quad system in 2018, Houston had a quad 4 loss to Drexel (254 Net) and got an at large.

I was not including any American conference at-large bids because I don't consider them a "mid-major".

 

[urmite]

I was using Warren Nolan's site http://warrennolan.com/basketball/2018/team-sheet?team=Rhode-Island

never known any of the info there to be wrong before, I wonder what else is off 😬

You will notice that Warren Nolan team sheet lists opponent by RPI not NET...

 

[VT4700]

I was not including any American conference at-large bids because I don't consider them a "mid-major".

It is a good conference, but leaving them out makes your sample size a lot smaller than it already is. If you can't use majors, and can't use AAC teams, there is not much left out there as far as at larges are concerned. But, that being said, it was good info you shared. Nice research.

 

[ChoppinBroccoli]

As previously discussed, the NET did not exist for the 2018 tournament. Perhaps Nolan is trying to emulate it retroactively.

Rhode Island was a lock for an at large that year. Their OOC was absolutely brutal, and they still had a 9-4 record. The A-10 was strong, too, sending 3 teams to the NCAAs.
Can we replicate that? Sure, winning the A10 regular season title certainly gives us a good shot. But our overall resume will not be close to URI '18 because of OOC and the Hofstra loss.

The AAC had 3 teams in the Top 21 in 2018. They sent a 2 seed, a 4 seed, and a 6 seed to the NCAAs. Houston lost in the AAC title game by one point, and were an absolute lock. While 47 pom-poms is technically correct - they did have a Q4 loss (but it wasn't because of NET) - he/she is being pedantic; they were nowhere near the bubble. They were 5-3 in Quad 1 games! It's not even close to comparable; we don't have the same opportunities.

We need to win a championship.

 

[Spiders4ever]

As previously discussed, the NET did not exist for the 2018 tournament. Perhaps Nolan is trying to emulate it retroactively.

Rhode Island was a lock for an at large that year. Their OOC was absolutely brutal, and they still had a 9-4 record. The A-10 was strong, too, sending 3 teams to the NCAAs.
Can we replicate that? Sure, winning the A10 regular season title certainly gives us a good shot. But our overall resume will not be close to URI '18 because of OOC and the Hofstra loss.

The AAC had 3 teams in the Top 21 in 2018. They sent a 2 seed, a 4 seed, a 6 seed to the NCAAs. Houston lost in the AAC title game by one point, and were an absolute lock. While 47 pom-poms is technically correct - they did have a Q4 loss (but it wasn't because of NET) - he/she is being pedantic; they were nowhere near the bubble. They were 5-3 in Quad 1 games! It's not even close to comparable; we don't have the same opportunities.

We need to win a championship.

We are supposed to win a championship.

 

[ChoppinBroccoli]

I was using Warren Nolan's site http://warrennolan.com/basketball/2018/team-sheet?team=Rhode-Island

never known any of the info there to be wrong before, I wonder what else is off 😬

Yeah, I'm not sure - St. Joe's RPI was 147, not 184.

 

[urmite]

Yeah, I'm not sure - St. Joe's RPI was 147, not 184.

Does that include the 2 A-10 tournament games? Or ST Joe opponents Post season games?

Why are we looking at this again?

 

[ChoppinBroccoli]

Does that include the 2 A-10 tournament games?

Yes. They were 146 on Selection Sunday; I guess that's more relevant.

Why are we looking at this again?

I'm not sure. Pom-poms said the Hofstra game had less than a 1% chance of hurting us, so we can probably stop.

On a lighter note, Loyola-Chicago is playing UNI, so one of them is going to win today. We've got that going for us, which is nice.

 

[SFspidur]

UMass leads Fordham at the half...44-15.

 

[SFspidur]

GW with issues now...Dayton game tomorrow and URI on Sunday have been postponed.

 

[KE Spider]

On the bright side for the Colonials, saved them two immediate losses.

 

[8legs1dream]

Bonnies down 40-25 at halftime to the guys down the street

 

[ncspiderfan]

Bonnies down 40-25 at halftime to the guys down the street

16-0 run Bonnies, they lead by 2

 

[Eight Legger]

Bonnies have turned into dunk city the last six minutes.

 

[SFspidur]

URI and Duquesne also in a dogfight right now. 3 minutes to play.

 

[SFspidur]

Duquesne knocks off Rhode Island, 71-69. Fatts 3-for-14, including 1-for-6 from three.

URI was up 17 at one point just before the half.

 

[8legs1dream]

16-0 run Bonnies, they lead by 2

WOW anyone that watched the game, what happened in the second half? Bonnies shut them down it looks like

 

[whampas]

Where's that Lion/VCU troll? 14 points in the second half. Whew.

 

[bullfrog91]

14 2nd half pts.....nice showing by the lambs

 

[Eight Legger]

WOW anyone that watched the game, what happened in the second half? Bonnies shut them down it looks like

Bona came out and just started lobbing alleyoops. VCU couldn't make anything, got sloppy, Bona got tons of rebounds. It happened really fast.

 

[whampas]

WOW anyone that watched the game, what happened in the second half? Bonnies shut them down it looks like

Bonnies beat the press, took it to the rim. VCU has no half court game. VCU couldn't throw it in the ocean. Bonnies are good and well coached.

 

[ncspiderfan]

WOW anyone that watched the game, what happened in the second half? Bonnies shut them down it looks like

Shut them down, but Bonnies played hard in second half, lot of offensive rebounds, lot better movement on offense. One stretch they had four straight dunks on offensive end during the run to start the half.

 

[SFspidur]

Enjoyed reading through the game thread over on Ram Nation.

 

[VT4700]

Bonnies beat the press, took it to the rim. VCU has no half court game. VCU couldn't throw it in the ocean. Bonnies are good and well coached.

I agree. They are good and well coached. And, they played 7 guys and used the bench all of 12 minutes. Funny how some coaches get criticized for "only" playing 8 guys and over twice the bench minutes.

 

[SFspidur]

Loyola is pasting a bad Valpo squad, and let's hope Kentucky can hold on against Georgia.

 

[Spiders4ever]

Schmidt is a bargain at $900 K a year.

 

[ChoppinBroccoli]

I agree. They are good and well coached. And, they played 7 guys and used the bench all of 12 minutes. Funny how some coaches get criticized for "only" playing 8 guys and over twice the bench minutes.

Good lord is there a thread you won't pollute and try to pick a fight with your whining?

I know you won't see this because you have me "on ignore" but maybe just take a breath before you post.

 

[Ferrum Spider]

Where's that Lion/VCU troll? 14 points in the second half. Whew.

His mother cut the internet off to his basement.

 

[ChoppinBroccoli]

Our postponed opponent (postponent?) Furman just lost to VMI as an 11.5 point favorite.

 

[SFspidur]

Apparently it's the night for A-10 collapses. Mason blew a 12-point lead over St. Joe's with 9 minutes to go, and they're headed to OT.

 

[SFspidur]

Kentucky choked, of course.

 

[SFspidur]

Mason was holding for the final shot tied in OT, got trapped and turned it over. Saint Joe's had a breakway to win it, but AJ Wilson flew in from behind and blocked it. Desperation three by Joe's at the buzzer missed, and we're headed to double OT. Wilson has 6 blocks in the game.

 

[VT4700]

Schmidt is a bargain at $900 K a year.

Maybe. I agree he's a good coach. Is Mooney also a bargain?

Similar records and 2 NCAA tourneys each.

 

[kneepadmckinney]

Man, Kentucky makes plays like we made 4 years ago when we only did dumb things down the stretch of games. Goes up 6, then gives up an uncontested three, then runs a horrible play with Boston shooting a fading sideways running heave after a crappy weave play didn't work for 22 seconds, then they retreated on defense and Sarr, instead of just covering the middle of the lane, inexplicably stops at about the elbow and starts pointing at guys to cover people as they fire a pass by his neck to a dude wide open under the basket for a layup. Then Askew misses the front end of a one-and-one. Then they play decent defense and they have a simple block where the Kentucky guy could have just grabbed the ball but instead he swats it as hard as he could out of bounds with 3 seconds to go. On the inbound play, they lose a dude right under the basket and he makes a reverse layup for game.

It was wretched.

 

[SFspidur]

Mason survives in a game that felt like it took three weeks to wrap up.