KA2 won the conference player of the year, went to the conference championship game, and the NCAAs his junior year. Let’s see where JG finishes up this year before we put him above the guy in the rafters.
Quality and Depth of players
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I think SDJ was much more the PG in Kendall's senior year.
I remember both playing the point a lot that year. And both having some pretty high assist games that year as well. ShawnDre had 90 assists for the year and Kendall 89. ShawnDre had 4 games with five or more assists and Kendall had 7 with five or more. Both were outstanding.
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I love Gilyard's game. But seriously, he has got a lot of winning to do these last 2 years, if he is going to be in the same conversation as Kevin Anderson
It is interesting comparing Anderson's player of the year year with some of our other point guard's years.
Anderson: 17.8 ppg, 2.7 assists, 1.7 steals, and 33.9% from 3.
Atkinson: 18.9, 3.1, 1.1, and 41.1%.
Ced: 18.3, 4.0, 1.8, and 32.4%.
Jacob: 16.2, 5.2, 2.8, and 36.3%.
We sure have had some great ones.
ok, I guess they shared the point that year. but for most of his career Kendall played the 2.
We were 28-10, 13-3 in the A-10 the year KA was POY in the league, ranked in the Top 25 and a 7 seed in the NCAA tournament.
Until JG starts doing anything remotely like that, lets not confuse with comparable stat lines with comparable players.
it's easier to compare players by wins and losses in golf and tennis. a player in a team sport can be great and still lose.
In a much harder A10 too
How about best point guard through sophomore year? Here is what Gilly did during conference play.
1. Lead the league in scoring 17.9 points per game
2. shot 49.8%, 41.3% from 3s, FT 75%
3. Lead league in steals 2.7 per game
4. 5th in assist 4.4 per game (by the way, our centers take away a lot of assist from the point guard)
5. All A10 defensive team
Those are potentially player of the year numbers if we had a great record.
Just trying to bring us all together for a big hug.
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I don’t think anyone is contesting that Jacob is awesome. Love the kid. Hopefully we have enough experience and talent around him to make the tournament.
There's my guy! Forgot about him for a minute K. I remember a picture with him, Sherod, and Buck in the RC. Now that would have been a Triumvirate I could back!!
Yes, but a good player on a bad team can put up great numbers even though he isn’t great. I’m not saying that’s what Gilyard has done (he’s my favorite Spider since K Anderson), but I would be weary of just comparing stats, especially more simple ones like points, assists, steals.
Along with his record junior and senior year, KA had that killer instinct. Whenever we needed a big shot or big play, KA was there for it, even when everyone knew the ball was going to KA. I mean, how many of his patented floaters did he hit when we NEEDED it.
Granted, my memory is probably jaded by those team efforts and nostalgia, but until Gilyard has those big time moments in big time games, I’m not ready to put him above KA.
That being said, I wouldn’t doubt Gilyard gets there, he’s that talented. To even be in the conversation, after only 2 years, is a testament to just how good he is. Excited to watch him these next 2 seasons!
i am not doubting the greatness of Kevin Anderson, but in his first 2 years his teams lost to dregs such as VMI, Norfolk St., UMBC (and for you youngsters they sucked for a long time b4 UVA win), Marist College, plus barely beat Maine which is historically horrible.
Now before you @me with Longwood, etc.... my point of the post is sometimes it takes players and teams time to figure out how to make winning plays, etc. Is STFU the moment for JG, GG and this team? we'll find out.
I assume they mean among "active" D-1 players. Which is still plenty impressive...
The NCAA website has him 4th among active players - the three ahead of him are all seniors - and he's not far behind #2 or #3. If he keeps this up he will graduate as the active steals leader, and pretty high up the all-time list.
Juvaris Hayes' total is staggering - and a little misleading. Merrimack just moved up to Division I, so that's why he's listed. I wonder how that works in the record books? I mean he's on pace to break the all-time record, but he got most of those steals at D II.
Juvaris Hayes , Merrimack 352
2 Josh Sharkey , Samford 213
3 Sa'eed Nelson , American 202
4 Jacob Gilyard , Richmond 190
5 Andrew Kostecka , Loyola Maryland 175
I wonder if Merrimack's move is the reason the tweet says 3rd?
16 vs 352 is quite a disparity...
Edit: and now I'm wondering does your team have to be D I or do both teams have to be?
With 190 steals in 66 career games (2.9 per game), Jacob is on pace for about 350 steals assuming he stays healthy and gets to around 120 career games. This would put him top 10 in career steals and within range of reaching #1 (385 steals). I'd especially like to see him pass our old friend Briante who is #3 all time with 374.
Also I never realized until looking this up that steals weren't an official stat until the mid 80's.
Also I never realized until looking this up that steals weren't an official stat until the mid 80's.
I imagine that is why the tweet says 3rd. They're not including Hayes.
I doubt they back out the steals (or any stats) when a D I team plays a lower division team, but I'm not sure.
Kinda sucks for Hayes if he fell short of the D II record, his team moves up to D I for his senior year, and he's ineligible for the D I record. Over 400 career steals (his pace) is incredible.
It also sucked for Desmond Cambridge, Alabama A&M - 330 steals in 84 games...
I bet Monitor was glad to see them move up. I heard he used to kill them.
There is a discussion on another post about the quality of the last couple guys off the bench and thought it should be addressed here. There was definitely a period after our last NCAA appearance where we had a very week bench, but talking about that now doesn't make a lot of sense. Our team is loaded with talent. All 5 starters will ranked in the top 25 players in the conference by A10talk. I would not be surprised to have 3 or 4 make an all A10 conference team next year.
Off the bench:
Burton is super athletic and I would be surprised if he is not some day an all conference player
Andre is also athletic and very solid on defense and potentially after this Junior class graduates he will be a big scorer
Sal, as most people believe, has huge upside. He has provided a lot of quality minutes
Wojcik is a solid player who is just unlucky he is playing behind a couple superstar guards. He hasn't shoot much when he is in, but he has still made a positive contribution.
Grace, I thought he played well as Grant's back up last year, but haven't been as impressive this year until the 2nd half of the Hampton game. He is only a sophomore and could be a major contributor at some point over the next 3 years
We are also adding 2 terrific players next year and potentially one other.
This team is loaded and will have "one of" the best starting lineups and benches next year in the history of our program. Every coach has recruiting misses, however Mooney has done a great job of recruiting the past few years. If you want to complain about Mooney, I would focus on something else.
Off the bench:
Burton is super athletic and I would be surprised if he is not some day an all conference player
Andre is also athletic and very solid on defense and potentially after this Junior class graduates he will be a big scorer
Sal, as most people believe, has huge upside. He has provided a lot of quality minutes
Wojcik is a solid player who is just unlucky he is playing behind a couple superstar guards. He hasn't shoot much when he is in, but he has still made a positive contribution.
Grace, I thought he played well as Grant's back up last year, but haven't been as impressive this year until the 2nd half of the Hampton game. He is only a sophomore and could be a major contributor at some point over the next 3 years
We are also adding 2 terrific players next year and potentially one other.
This team is loaded and will have "one of" the best starting lineups and benches next year in the history of our program. Every coach has recruiting misses, however Mooney has done a great job of recruiting the past few years. If you want to complain about Mooney, I would focus on something else.
His mediocre record over the past 14 seasons?
It is great to see that we we are still going 10 deep, which keeps our starters fresh and allows us to finish strong. We are 11-0 when winning with 5 minutes to go. It is also nice to see different starters taking the lead each game and also multiple players off the bench each game making meaningful contributions.
Who should be the player of the game from last nights VCU win? This is not an easy question to answer and demonstrates the quality and depth of the team.
1. Sherod, has 23 points,9-15 shooting, 5-7 from 3s, 8 rebounds and 2 steels. Very strong showing.
2. Golden, 15 points, 7-11 shooting, 10 rebounds, 6 assist, 1 steel
3. Gilyard, 10 points 4-9 shooting, 2-4 3s, 6 assist, 5 steels and great ball handling
4. Francis, the numbers in the box score do not give justice to his contribution. He played suffocating defense, was terrific handling the ball and took pressure off other players. His energy and aggressiveness are off the charts.
5. Cayo, 11 points, 3-4 shooting 5-7 from the free through line 6 rebounds, great defense. Probably not player of the game, but very solid performance.
Off the bench
1. Burton, in 12 minutes 5 points, 2-4 shooting, 3 rebounds, 1 block, 1 steel. We all want him to have more minutes, but whose minutes does he take with all the starters playing so well?
2. Gustavson, he is another guy who stats don't show his value added. Great defense, good ball handling, and solid over all play.
3. Grace, 9 minutes, 4 rebounds. I though he held his own on defense and helped the offense continue to flow well when Grant was not in the game.
4. Wojcik, only played 7 minutes, very solid guy off the bench, who handles the ball well, gets his fair share of rebounds and is a 3 point threat
5. Koureissi, didn't get to play much, but I am still very bullish on him.
These guys are great this year and with the addition of Crabetree and Wilson next year we have the potential for a top 25 team.
1. Sherod, has 23 points,9-15 shooting, 5-7 from 3s, 8 rebounds and 2 steels. Very strong showing.
2. Golden, 15 points, 7-11 shooting, 10 rebounds, 6 assist, 1 steel
3. Gilyard, 10 points 4-9 shooting, 2-4 3s, 6 assist, 5 steels and great ball handling
4. Francis, the numbers in the box score do not give justice to his contribution. He played suffocating defense, was terrific handling the ball and took pressure off other players. His energy and aggressiveness are off the charts.
5. Cayo, 11 points, 3-4 shooting 5-7 from the free through line 6 rebounds, great defense. Probably not player of the game, but very solid performance.
Off the bench
1. Burton, in 12 minutes 5 points, 2-4 shooting, 3 rebounds, 1 block, 1 steel. We all want him to have more minutes, but whose minutes does he take with all the starters playing so well?
2. Gustavson, he is another guy who stats don't show his value added. Great defense, good ball handling, and solid over all play.
3. Grace, 9 minutes, 4 rebounds. I though he held his own on defense and helped the offense continue to flow well when Grant was not in the game.
4. Wojcik, only played 7 minutes, very solid guy off the bench, who handles the ball well, gets his fair share of rebounds and is a 3 point threat
5. Koureissi, didn't get to play much, but I am still very bullish on him.
These guys are great this year and with the addition of Crabetree and Wilson next year we have the potential for a top 25 team.
Nick. He dug the Snickers Hole, and it's WORKING.
Once he hit that 4th 3 in the first half, I just knew there was no way we were losing. Haven't seen that kind of swagger from him in a long time.
Oh, let him stay. They're ready over on their board to blow MR up after 3 years. Even some talk about a billboard assuming they can recycle enough aluminum to pay for one.
Yes, I did take the guilty pleasure of taking a peak. Saw one thread about players parents with some tweets and talk of bad locker room, bad chemistry. They do seem to be on the under achieving train this season.
I will say our team chemistry seems to be really good this year. I heard a very good coach say the other day: There is no metric for chemistry and this team has it. Feel like the Spiders do too, with everyone sharing the ball and knowing their role. Does make a huge difference. Nick again with a big game when we needed it. At URI and at Davidson too. He has had a few lulls this season too, but man has he also stepped up at just the right time too!
I know this will sound negative but our bench while better still isn’t a strength for this team. We are still heavily dependent on our starting five to win but have found enough bench talent to keep the starters fresh. That’s a massive improvement over the last few years.
We can get some bench scoring but it’s mostly just Burton unless Woj gets hot, maybe Gus once in a blue moon. But again, greatly improved.
We can get some bench scoring but it’s mostly just Burton unless Woj gets hot, maybe Gus once in a blue moon. But again, greatly improved.
Agreed and again, that’s a major improvement. It depends in part how one views “depth”. Our bench isn’t going to rescue us if we are off one night but they similarly keep us mostly neutral when they’re in. Big step forward.
