I was a proponent of it too but I think what’s going on there now is hurting us because you know damn well we look at peer schools like Williams and Mary as a comparison. It’s going to make us more scared to pull the trigger than we already are.
Official hot seat thread Mooney
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To the W and M post… i dont see the spiders having more than 7 wins next year no matter who the coach is. The mess CM has put the program in after the super class is finally finished will take years to fix even with a quality coach at the helm.
Dont know much about WM situation before coaching change but was the new guy put in a similar position? No one returning and literally having to start over.
Wins next year will very much depend on who returns. If Goose, Burton, and Grace return - and I think Crabtree can come back as well. That is no world beater, but I think that team with some of the young guys can win 12-14 depending on the schedule.
The bigger question is - what is the expectation for next year given we lose so much IF Mooney returns. If the expectation is NCAA or bust, why not just fire him now and start the process sooner rather than later. OR - does the bar get lowered and if the team finishes .500 or better next year - they see that as a good sign for the future and we get the future is bright all over again?
The bigger question is - what is the expectation for next year given we lose so much IF Mooney returns. If the expectation is NCAA or bust, why not just fire him now and start the process sooner rather than later. OR - does the bar get lowered and if the team finishes .500 or better next year - they see that as a good sign for the future and we get the future is bright all over again?
They made the move with a pretty good team returning, which in retrospect didn’t work out because most of those guys then transferred. except for Nathan Knight, who was the best one. I think the idea was, we have good players, let’s give them a better chance to make the tournament. They also weren’t able to hit their first or second or maybe even third coaching choice, which didn’t help. The h ended up being not very inspiring.
Hardt did the opposite and let Mooney ride it out with his veterans. That hasn’t worked either, so if there’s an obvious difference here, that’s it.
And, we will have a much larger and more receptive pool of coaches from which to pick.
they made that move with a pretty loaded team returning by CAA standards ... before they transferred. I'm on record here saying Shaver was a good coach. things are now much worse for W&M.
but I think that's a really hard school to win at. some would say self imposed, but clearly some schools have a tougher time winning. we're in a much better situation.
but I think that's a really hard school to win at. some would say self imposed, but clearly some schools have a tougher time winning. we're in a much better situation.
Best time to change would be after this year. Assuming new coach can come in and re-recruit Burton, to get him to stay, you potentially get 2 years of Burton I believe if he decides to use extra year. That gives new coach time to bring in HIS guys and maybe create a scenario like JW did where he had Skrocki and Dobbins leftover from JB, but then had his own guys Merritt and Moliva added to the mix and they were able to put it together for 1 year to make NCAA tourney. Still think Burton will need some help - likely in the form of an impact transfer, but new coaches usually bring a player or two with them.
I don’t have any stats or proof to back this up, but feels like recently when coaches have moved a lot of them have brought a guy or two with them via a transfer. Just imagining a scenario where we can get a transfer or two with a year left to play and add that on with Burton. Especially if they’re big men
Shaver would be very successful at UR. I said it years ago, and I stick with it today.
He did a fabulous job @ W & M considering the obstacles. Give him UR program advantages and we would see regular NCAA's.
Probably fair. I would take anyone over Mooney at this point. Shaver feels like Mooney II, but if that were the hire, I'm sure we could do worse.
Are there any UVA assistants who are HC candidates? Have any Bennett assistants gone on to be successful HCs? I’d love to pick someone from that coaching tree but I’m not familiar with the track record
That’s exactly what will happen. Remember mooney didn’t get it done previously with a good senior class of Davis, Allen, Taylor, etc. or with the class of Cline and SJ3. Expectations then changed because of the loss of all those guys so mooney was allowed to stay in because then he had the young team excuse. Same thing will happen again. Young team next year with no expectations, so he won’t be fired for lack of wins, same cycle keeps repeating itself. We don’t have anyone in the administration or BOT willing to break that cycle.
McKay is killing it at Liberty, though the ASUN is pretty terrible. Sanchez is struggling at Charlotte.
Williford is very highly regarded and should be the next one to get a head coaching job.
Everyone knew this season was NCAA or bust. He still has a chance to make it, but it’s probably going to require winning five straight the rest of the way. No way do I see this team being capable of winning four games in the tournament, so Dayton and Bona are must-wins.
if we miss the tournament again, I don’t care if we have 21 or 22 wins — it will have been a colossal failure.
if we miss the tournament again, I don’t care if we have 21 or 22 wins — it will have been a colossal failure.
But unfortunately, the decision-makers won't see it that way.
8legs1dream
Graduate Assistant
20 wins is a great season in their eyes and we are only one win away from that mark
20 wins means nothing now. It did when teams played 24 games, but not now. NCAA appearances are all that matter. But UR isn't serious about winning, so maybe 20 wins is enough when your goal is "competing." I still think CM is back next year since competing is all that matters. It's so obvious a change is needed, but we (posters on this board) care about winning. The school doesn't.
8legs1dream
Graduate Assistant
if we don't get one more in the regular season we will probably get at least one in the A10 tourney. If that doesn't happen we will steal one in the CBI or NIT. I feel pretty confident we make it to 20 one way or another. For our AD being close to 20 is likely just as good as being at 20 just like almost making the NCAA's counts as making the NCAA's 😂
Agree but think you are way too practical and realistic. I don’t think the decision makers see it this way. I believe their perspective is seen through a totally different lens unfortunately.
I keep thinking about the 16 longer tenured coaches ahead of him, and the fact that half have won national titles and another is Mark Few. And four more are in the tournament regularly. And the others coach Lafayette, Northwestern State and Houston Baptist. That’s what our leadership aspires to be, those three. It’s pathetic.
To be fair, I think for the last several years pre-COVID we have had senior night on the last weekend (usually Saturday) game. I'm sure part of it is for the crowds, but sometimes the last home weekday game overlaps with spring break (not this year) but it's most likely for ease of travel plans for the players' families.
And for our fans, many of whom have little kids or work obligations who cannot attend weeknight games, to be able to salute the seniors.
I doubt any of the other three get paid over a million dollars a year. How can the highest paid employee of the University of Richmond be held to the lowest possible standard of achievement?
Ya last night saved his job for a while. Great that we won but think about what that win gives us; just more years like we’ve had the last 11.
Some guy said it on the Spiders Facebook page, I suspect that’s where this is coming from. It’s almost verbatim.
Mooney is a classic can't get over the hump coach. He does well, good even, but he has a lot of trouble getting over the hump and having great seasons. They are possible under his watch sure. See 2009 - 2011. But an overwhelming majority of the time those seasons will not happen under his watch.
I'll definitely take that bet. Loser never posts again.
I wouldn’t consider W & M‘s basketball program as part of our peer group. Certainly football and other sports, but
despite our displeasure with how this season has gone, I see little evidence that W & M is an equal program to ours.
I guarantee you W&M will surpass the Spiders in both football and basketball if the circus clown show continues.
Next year is going to be rough. Unless we get a lot of transfers. It takes at least a whole year to understand the Mooney system.
