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we extended off of a very good season and with a very bright looking future with everyone returning. keeping the coach in place made some sense.
this year is different. picked to win ... will finish about 6th.
and while I look forward to next year, the consensus is we take a step back. there are a lot of points graduating.
I certainly don't see an extension and thus, I think it's pretty clear that he's let go unless we go on an unlikely run. being friendly with top brass won't help.
 
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spiderman said:
we extended off of a very good season and with a very bright looking future with everyone returning. keeping the coach in place made some sense.
this year is different. picked to win ... will finish about 6th.
and while I look forward to next year, the consensus is we take a step back. there are a lot of points graduating.
I certainly don't see an extension and thus, I think it's pretty clear that he's let go unless we go on an unlikely run. being friendly with top brass won't help.
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I’d be shocked if he’s let go. I just don’t see it happening. Although this season should be the culmination of long term justification, I think we’re in for another disappointment. Please prove me wrong, Hardt.
 
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spiderman said:
we extended off of a very good season and with a very bright looking future with everyone returning. keeping the coach in place made some sense.
this year is different. picked to win ... will finish about 6th.
and while I look forward to next year, the consensus is we take a step back. there are a lot of points graduating.
I certainly don't see an extension and thus, I think it's pretty clear that he's let go unless we go on an unlikely run. being friendly with top brass won't help.
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This makes all the sense in the world yet our AD runs his shop based on some strategy none of us are able to see…
 
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Likely to have 3 consecutive winning seasons, one arguably a Dance year absent Covid interruption (admit can be argued otherwise). Hope wrong, but don't see this Admin pulling the trigger on CM given these results. More likely right on course by their standards.
 
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Curios, I recall a lot of talk about Moiney and PQ hanging at the Tavern in past years. Any sightings recently? Maybe covid is clouding this.
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Pretty low profile. Suspect all the covid pauses last year may be a reason for that.
 
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We should be rooting for losses so there's more pressure to fire Mooney. Its the only way the program will get back to success we were accustomed to seeing.
 
At this point you have to bank your hopes on Hardt actually having some self-respect as an AD to not let the experiment continue. He’s been around long enough to evaluate if CM can have sustained success, and whether winning seasons alone is adequately successful.

There’s zero reason to think he will get back to the NCAA if he can’t do it with this roster. If that’s the goal, he has to move on. If he doesn’t move on, we know that’s not the goal.
 
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At this point it is incumbent upon Hardt to convince Queally that this is over. If he’s not willing to have that conversation, or if PQ overrules him, he should resign. Not sure how you could morally continue in that position if you are just a total puppet.
 
Eight Legger said:
At this point it is incumbent upon Hardt to convince Queally that this is over. If he’s not willing to have that conversation, or if PQ overrules him, he should resign. Not sure how you could morally continue in that position if you are just a total puppet.
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Because you’re getting paid hundreds of thousands of dollars. And probably don’t have to work terribly hard. And have no stress to perform.
 
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History suggests the Spiders will neither win 3 of 4 nor win 2 in the conference tourney. So while I agree with your analysis of the outcome should that happen, it seems exceedingly unlikely that it will in fact happen.
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Agreed - but it really all depends on matchups for us.

I think we should beat GW. The Bonnies we beat before, but they are better now or at least playing better than when we last saw them. But the good news with the Bonnies is they really have no bench. We get one guy in foul trouble on their team and the game can quickly change to our favor. So I like us against the Bonnies. Dayton might be a shot for a win for us simply because they might be looking past us as their final game of the season right after us is vs. Davidson and could determine the league champ. So we might get overlooked and be able to sneak out a win.
St. Louis I don't like as much, but given we should be playing them after a win vs. GW, maybe the team feels some confidence going into the game.
I think winning 2 games to end the season is more likely. Then in A10 tourney - its all about matchups and how our team shoots early in those games.

But overall - I just don't see them firing him unless we lose out to be honest. I think they are just likely not to extend him at all after the season, and try to minimize the contract payout if they fire him after next season or don't fire him and just let the contract run out. I think that digs a bigger hole long term for our program, but in the short term saves the school some money - which I think is most important to them. Not to mention - even under the current scenario, he would still be winning 19-20 games - which again is right in that "compete" area.
 
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Yep most likely scenario is beat GW, everyone feels great and starts blowing smoke up mooney again, lose to St bona, and go 1-1 vs Dayton SLU. We’ll win one of those two games because UR basketball doesn’t make any sense. Mooney then won’t be fired or extended and I think will just coach for however much longer his contract is. This sh*t sucks man.
 
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Because you’re getting paid hundreds of thousands of dollars. And probably don’t have to work terribly hard. And have no stress to perform.
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Hence the "morally" part of my statement. I don't know the guy though, he might not have morals and maybe is cool with just taking money to act like he's in charge.
 
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Eight Legger said:
Hence the "morally" part of my statement. I don't know the guy though, he might not have morals and maybe is cool with just taking money to act like he's in charge.
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I trust you understood I was tongue in cheek there. That said, I think a lot of people's moral compass becomes permissive based on the degree of discomfort they receive from those around them. UR doesn't see lack of dedication to athletic failure as an ethical failing, and I'm pretty sure JH doesn't either.
 
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I think there is a lot of things in the works and a LOT more support this year for change than their ever has been. And as Sman pointed out, he was left to see what he could do with this "super" class of players and the roster is going to completely turn over after this year, so that whole argument that was used to keep him is gone.

And sman, welcome my friend to the dark side. It has been a LONG time waiting for you, but I know your a diehard Spider fan and knew you would find your way eventually.
 
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I trust you understood I was tongue in cheek there. That said, I think a lot of people's moral compass becomes permissive based on the degree of discomfort they receive from those around them. UR doesn't see lack of dedication to athletic failure as an ethical failing, and I'm pretty sure JH doesn't either.
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The VCU fan in the white mustang pointed out to me our lack of dedication, and athletic/ethical failure with his middle finger and laugh this morning. Guess I need to get rid of the UR plates.
 
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97spiderfan said:
I think there is a lot of things in the works and a LOT more support this year for change than their ever has been. And as Sman pointed out, he was left to see what he could do with this "super" class of players and the roster is going to completely turn over after this year, so that whole argument that was used to keep him is gone.

And sman, welcome my friend to the dark side. It has been a LONG time waiting for you, but I know your a diehard Spider fan and knew you would find your way eventually.
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I still don't think he's nearly as bad as many believe. I think his offensive system was ahead of the curve and many now use something similar. his style can win when you have all the right pieces fitting. but that's his job, to get the right pieces to fit. and you have to focus on both ends of the court. we've got some amazing players who can't quite get over the hump as a group. and unlike 2 years ago, it doesn't look like we're on the cusp.

we haven't danced but there have been good years. it hasn't been an unmitigated disaster. but at some point you make a change. he certainly can't say he wasn't given time.
 
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I still don't think he's nearly as bad as many believe. I think his offensive system was ahead of the curve and many now use something similar. his style can win when you have all the right pieces fitting. but that's his job, to get the right pieces to fit. and you have to focus on both ends of the court. we've got some amazing players who can't quite get over the hump as a group. and unlike 2 years ago, it doesn't look like we're on the cusp.

we haven't danced but there have been good years. it hasn't been an unmitigated disaster. but at some point you make a change. he certainly can't say he wasn't given time.
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I have to disagree. Not making the tournament in 11 years (2 in 17), only making 1 A10 semifinal in a decade, going 7-22 against VCU, and winning exactly ZERO regular season championships in 17 years certainly qualifies as an unmitigated disaster.
 
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spiderman said:
I still don't think he's nearly as bad as many believe. I think his offensive system was ahead of the curve and many now use something similar. his style can win when you have all the right pieces fitting. but that's his job, to get the right pieces to fit. and you have to focus on both ends of the court. we've got some amazing players who can't quite get over the hump as a group. and unlike 2 years ago, it doesn't look like we're on the cusp.

we haven't danced but there have been good years. it hasn't been an unmitigated disaster. but at some point you make a change. he certainly can't say he wasn't given time.
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Spider, I agree with you about the offense. It’s the total abandonment of interior defense and rebounding that is inexcusable
 
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I have to disagree. Not making the tournament in 11 years (2 in 17), only making 1 A10 semifinal in a decade, going 7-22 against VCU, and winning exactly ZERO regular season championships in 17 years certainly qualifies as an unmitigated disaster.
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2017-18 and 2018-19 were bad. other than that we're had mostly good years. but you're right, we haven't danced.
 
I agree that Mooney is a good offensive coach, he teaches his system and it works for the most part. Just too many recruiting misses and inability to supplement when he has 3-4 really good players. Look at the NCAA rosters and guys you had coming off the bench, stark contrast.

You do have to have an identity in your program, and Mooney has done that with his offense, BUT you cannot let the other areas fall off so sharply. Rebounding, defense, toughness. These seem to have been dropped at some point 7-8 years back.
 
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Watching this team struggle this year on offense makes me think his offensive mojo has left the building as well. This team has long periods of offensive struggles and inepitude all year long, despite having a center who scored 2000 points, an all A-10 PG, and a viable NBA prospect on the court all together.

Yeah, our defense has really struggled, par for the course, but the offense hasn't been exactly lighting it up, as we thought it would either.
 
spiderman said:
I still don't think he's nearly as bad as many believe. I think his offensive system was ahead of the curve and many now use something similar. his style can win when you have all the right pieces fitting. but that's his job, to get the right pieces to fit. and you have to focus on both ends of the court. we've got some amazing players who can't quite get over the hump as a group. and unlike 2 years ago, it doesn't look like we're on the cusp.

we haven't danced but there have been good years. it hasn't been an unmitigated disaster. but at some point you make a change. he certainly can't say he wasn't given time.
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11 years, S-man. There is only 1 coach in all of Division 1 who coaches in a multi-bid conference who hasn't hit the glory hole once in the past 11 years. Chris Mooney.
 
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97spiderfan said:
Watching this team struggle this year on offense makes me think his offensive mojo has left the building as well. This team has long periods of offensive struggles and inepitude all year long, despite having a center who scored 2000 points, an all A-10 PG, and a viable NBA prospect on the court all together.

Yeah, our defense has really struggled, par for the course, but the offense hasn't been exactly lighting it up, as we thought it would either.
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I'm with you here for sure. Our offense is basically run the weave and try to get an open three-pointer. Take it while the other four guys are retreating on defense. Hope it goes in or maybe Burton disobeys orders and gets an offensive rebound. Otherwise, it's a one-shot possession. But hey, at least we're back on defense! Where we also suck and will probably give up a wide-open three.

The Mooney "strategy" is bad on both ends of the court. Too bad there are no special teams in basketball, maybe he'd have a good scheme there.
 
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I'm with you here for sure. Our offense is basically run the weave and try to get an open three-pointer. Take it while the other four guys are retreating on defense. Hope it goes in or maybe Burton disobeys orders and gets an offensive rebound. Otherwise, it's a one-shot possession. But hey, at least we're back on defense! Where we also suck and will probably give up a wide-open three.

The Mooney "strategy" is bad on both ends of the court. Too bad there are no special teams in basketball, maybe he'd have a good scheme there.
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Pretty much this is a nut shell. I wish Mooney would just say eff it, just go out there and ball out and see what talent and hustle get you, but he won't because he can't. He is going to go down with the ship and run the exact same sets and philosophical approach that this underperforming squad has done all year.
 
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spiderman said:
I still don't think he's nearly as bad as many believe. I think his offensive system was ahead of the curve and many now use something similar. his style can win when you have all the right pieces fitting. but that's his job, to get the right pieces to fit. and you have to focus on both ends of the court. we've got some amazing players who can't quite get over the hump as a group. and unlike 2 years ago, it doesn't look like we're on the cusp.

we haven't danced but there have been good years. it hasn't been an unmitigated disaster. but at some point you make a change. he certainly can't say he wasn't given time.
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Exactly all of this.
 
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SFspidur said:
Maryland already open, Mississippi State on his "Jobs I'm watching" list, and NC State on his "One more year?" list...no P5 coach who values his job should want to play us.
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and we could potentially see Duq, URI, Mass also get their coaches let go given our domination of them this season ..
 
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richmond.com

Is Chris Mooney on the hot seat? That and four other questions leading into Richmond's season

Is Chris Mooney on the hot seat?
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"John Hardt, UR’s vice president and director of athletics since January, told The Times-Dispatch over the summer: “Chris and I are on the same page regarding expectations for the men’s basketball program.” That’s “championship-level success,” according to Hardt."

So we'll see if JH puts his money where his mouth is after four seasons of not achieving championship-level success.
 
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"John Hardt, UR’s vice president and director of athletics since January, told The Times-Dispatch over the summer: “Chris and I are on the same page regarding expectations for the men’s basketball program.” That’s “championship-level success,” according to Hardt."

So we'll see if JH puts his money where his mouth is after four seasons of not achieving championship-level success.
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big hat no cattle
Meat and potatoes
Regatta
 
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MrTbone said:
"John Hardt, UR’s vice president and director of athletics since January, told The Times-Dispatch over the summer: “Chris and I are on the same page regarding expectations for the men’s basketball program.” That’s “championship-level success,” according to Hardt."

So we'll see if JH puts his money where his mouth is after four seasons of not achieving championship-level success.
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If JH doesn't put his money where his mouth is, then he speaks nothing but empty words.
 
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