Official hot seat thread Mooney
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fatherspider should keep posting. He's not always the most diplomatic, but he is usually right! Some posters on here dont want to face the reality that CM isn't getting the job done. 7 wins, 10 wins, 20 wins is not what matters. The fact is the odds of CM taking us to the tournament next year are very small, and thats the point. To me, these posters are small thinking people whe it comes to the potential of UR Basketball. That's why they accept the status quo. 11 years and counting. What else do you need to know?
8legs1dream
Graduate Assistant
Have a feeling that going into next season Teflon Moonie, realizing the cupboards are bare and he is only returning a few guys with any kind of playing time, will schedule the biggest cupcake fiesta in the non-conference slate that we have ever seen.
Yep, and lose to half of them, including Wabash and Slippery Rock.
8legs1dream
Graduate Assistant
It will be very interesting for sure. You can hide a lot of ugliness on a team by padding the schedule and securing yourself 7 or 8 cheap wins against Colorado School of Mines and University of Alaska.
Guy, looks like you are going the GKiller direction on us here.
It’s taken me a helluva lot longer than that.
Man, I hear you. I'm still trying to figure out what his defense is trying to do.
W&M back on the schedule next year mortal lock.
Dayton and Bonnies left - I think he just needs to win 1 of these games. For Mooney's prospects, not sure he would want a top 4 seed and double bye because I think getting in the 5th-6th seed might give UR a good matchup to start and gather another win.
I think he wins 3 games rest of the season - either 2 in regular, 1 in tourney or vice versa and he is safe. I think if he makes it to the semifinals and def finals of A10 tourney - you could see a possible extension, short, coming his way. Maybe another 2 year extension. The St. Louis win was huge. Only way he is fired now I think is he loses out the rest of the way, and I think that is unlikely.
I think he wins 3 games rest of the season - either 2 in regular, 1 in tourney or vice versa and he is safe. I think if he makes it to the semifinals and def finals of A10 tourney - you could see a possible extension, short, coming his way. Maybe another 2 year extension. The St. Louis win was huge. Only way he is fired now I think is he loses out the rest of the way, and I think that is unlikely.
Over 7, which is what you stated. I'll even give you the half point. Over 7.5.
We will play W&M the whole month of December.
Lol, I get slaughtered every time I have said the same thing. The cupboards aren’t only bare, we don’t even have any cupboards.
8legs1dream
Graduate Assistant
“The 2022-23 non conference schedule has been announced. The Richmond Spiders will open the season with a best of 13 series with William & Mary and conclude December 23rd at Bucknell.”
McCall was hired and fired well within the timeframe that threads on this board calling for Mooney's head have existed. Amazing.
And to note - they fired McCall with 1 year left on his deal. His salary started at 750K per year, but I believe escalated each year. So UMASS is likely paying him no less than 750K for that final year not to coach.
8legs1dream
Graduate Assistant
We have over three times their endowment but somehow still not enough for us to pull the trigger on our own buyout. Pathetic AD. Pathetic coach. Pathetic everything.
I think it is safe to assume as most on here agree - that when Mooney received his latest extension that takes him through the 23-24 season (2 more years) that a buyout clause was added to the contract. Lets assume that is true, then I would think it would be safe to assume the buyout is probably no less than 50% of his contract. So if he has 2 years remaining at roughly $1 million per year, he would get $500K per year for those remaining years. I think that is a safe assumption to be made if you think a buyout was added.
That being said - UR would owe him $1 million dollars to go away. We no doubt have that money or SHOULD have that money. But the question is does UR want to spend that money to make someone go away? Because of actions within athletics the past few years, because of the message it sends if you do pay him, and because quite frankly I don't think UR has ever fired a coach in really any sport I can remember other than Latrell Scott, but he fired himself getting arrested - we normally let contracts run out or coaches leave on their own - I just don't see it happening. Is there a chance it will happen - of course. But I think if your looking for odds at this moment - the safe bet is they keep him and don't extend him and let the contract run out.
I just have a hard time believing the first coach UR will fire and pay to go away is the all time leader in wins at the school (and losses) and is coming off a likely 20-12 or 21-12 season and finished 5th-6th in the league is the first guy they are going to fire and pay to walk away. St. Joes fired Martelli - but he was coming off 3 straight losing seasons and even then - his firing was seen as shocking. And Mooney is by no means on Martelli level.
That being said - UR would owe him $1 million dollars to go away. We no doubt have that money or SHOULD have that money. But the question is does UR want to spend that money to make someone go away? Because of actions within athletics the past few years, because of the message it sends if you do pay him, and because quite frankly I don't think UR has ever fired a coach in really any sport I can remember other than Latrell Scott, but he fired himself getting arrested - we normally let contracts run out or coaches leave on their own - I just don't see it happening. Is there a chance it will happen - of course. But I think if your looking for odds at this moment - the safe bet is they keep him and don't extend him and let the contract run out.
I just have a hard time believing the first coach UR will fire and pay to go away is the all time leader in wins at the school (and losses) and is coming off a likely 20-12 or 21-12 season and finished 5th-6th in the league is the first guy they are going to fire and pay to walk away. St. Joes fired Martelli - but he was coming off 3 straight losing seasons and even then - his firing was seen as shocking. And Mooney is by no means on Martelli level.
Hardt gave him the extension two years ago, at a time when he was coming off two terrible seasons and one good one, with no other viable job offers better than this one. If he did so a) with a large buyout or b) with a buyout of any size that the university wasn't prepared to eat, he and anyone who approved it should be fired and sued for professional incompetence and malpractice.
Of course we can get out of this contract and have the means to do so. If UMass can do it, of course we can. I'm sick of these excuses. Do the right thing.
Of course we can get out of this contract and have the means to do so. If UMass can do it, of course we can. I'm sick of these excuses. Do the right thing.
Hell, we piss away a million dollars throwing stupid extra small shirts and rubber balls into the crowd every year. Buy the loser out!!
I posted in my previous reply but question to the followers - does anyone know if UR has ever fired a coach? We can limit to Men and Women's Hoops, Football, and even throw in baseball if you like. Fired with years left on contract? Or have we always let the contract run out or coach leaves or retires?
Yes, was told to resign...we can fire you for cause, or you can resign with a shot at another job down the road and maybe we'll give you a little spending money on your way out to make this amicable.
He is the only one I can think of - but lets say fired/resigned - but not because of wins/losses - never coached a game. So really a different situation all together.
Just a short list of what I can think of.
JB - Left on own to WVU
JW - Left on own (sort of) to Depaul
Bob Foley - I believe let contract run out
Joanne Boyle - Left to UVA
Schafer - think let contract run out
Rocco - left on own
Clawson - Left on own to Tenn
London - left for UVA
Reid - let contract run out I think
Atkins - Retired
Just a short list of what I can think of.
JB - Left on own to WVU
JW - Left on own (sort of) to Depaul
Bob Foley - I believe let contract run out
Joanne Boyle - Left to UVA
Schafer - think let contract run out
Rocco - left on own
Clawson - Left on own to Tenn
London - left for UVA
Reid - let contract run out I think
Atkins - Retired
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He was coach for around 20 months, including the entire 2010 season where we went 6–5. Hired December 2009, resigned August 2011.
Well if the dates are correct and he never coached a game, that might be another reason he isn't here...
Stand corrected - he did coach one season. So is the only coach we fired/let go a coach that got caught with DUI?
Dooley is good question, I thought they let contract run out on him - but that was just before my time at UR.
Dooley is good question, I thought they let contract run out on him - but that was just before my time at UR.
It's amazingly funny & ironic to see some of you guys talk about buyouts and now the likelihood of Mooney having one, when not long ago a handful of you like Trap and spiderman primarily, didn't really understand buyouts and were adamant they didn't exist and no way tied to a Mooney contract. I'm sure the thread is around somewhere if u r looking for a laugh.
wait, what? lol
of course there are buyouts. some were saying you can extend a contract and eliminate the buyout ... so you're really giving a coach nothing guaranteed. no coach would ever sign that. and I stand by that.
