The Fight in Ukraine and its Heroes

[Wood Hall]

Once the dust clears, we will see. I suspect that the majority of the Republican US Senators, who see the danger of Russia, are communicating directly with Trump about the importance of supporting Ukraine. I also suspect that they are using their support for Trump's domestic legislation to get Trump to do the right thing with Ukraine.

Trump has at least gotten the UK and France to talk about placing troops in Ukraine, as peace keepers.

The majority of Republican US senators would give Trump a public b*&^% on 5th Avenue if he told them to.

If you still didn't believe this is who the GOP is, I don't know what else to tell you. This is who the GOP is. All of it.

If there were any "decent republicans," as you seem to think there are, it would be easy to see them today. We won't. Because they aren't there.

 

[KE Spider]

Not a proud moment for either government. Disagreements are fine, often enlightening, but should never air dirty laundry in public.

 

[Gallipoli]

Trump way over reacted.

 

[Gallipoli]

This is the Ukrainian ambassador to the US.

 

[urfan1]

Trump way over reacted.

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And you're surprised why?

 

[Gallipoli]

And you're surprised why?

Just the facts. No surprises.

 

[KE Spider]

Both screwed the pooch.

 

[Eight Legger]

Yes, Trump and Vance both.

 

[Long Time Spider Fan]

Yes, Trump and Vance both.

Yep, Trump just couldn't take it that Zelensky stood up to him and didn't kiss the ring or a part of his anatomy just like some foreign leaders and virtually all Republicans have. Finally, someone stood up to the bully even though it may cost Zelenskly and Ukraine a lot. I have more respect for Zelensky than ever, and less respect for Trump, if any less was even possible.

 

[Eight Legger]

Trump, Vance and Marjorie Taylor Greene's boyfriend belittled Zelensky for the clothing he wore, as if that matters. And meanwhile, Elon Musk wears a hat in the Oval Office, and no one says a thing.

 

[Section 204and5]

If Zelensky ever gets in the Oval Office again he should wear a tan suit.

 

[Anachnid]

Trump, Vance and Marjorie Taylor Greene's boyfriend belittled Zelensky for the clothing he wore, as if that matters. And meanwhile, Elon Musk wears a hat in the Oval Office, and no one says a thing.

Or apartheid Clyde’s son rubbing his boogers on orange man’s desk.

 

[KE Spider]

If there were any "decent republicans," as you seem to think there are, it would be easy to see them today. We won't. Because they aren't there.

Find this tact disturbing. There are plenty of good folks on both sides. Disagreements over policy need not, and should not, lead to condemnation of those with different views. Hope we share a common vision of making a more perfect union. Don't see how this attitude gets us there.

BTW, I am not a Republican (nor a Democrat).

 

[Long Time Spider Fan]

Liz Cheney, a true decent Repbulican who is not afraid of Trump, said it best:

“Generations of American patriots, from our revolution onward, have fought for the principles Zelenskyy is risking his life to defend. But today, Donald Trump and JD Vance attacked Zelenskyy and pressured him to surrender the freedom of his people to the KGB war criminal who invaded Ukraine. History will remember this day—when an American President and Vice President abandoned all we stand for.”

 

[Eight Legger]

Find this tact disturbing. There are plenty of good folks on both sides. Disagreements over policy need not, and should not, lead to condemnation of those with different views. Hope we share a common vision of making a more perfect union. Don't see how this attitude gets us there.

BTW, I am not a Republican (nor a Democrat).

I long for the days when people could have intelligent conversations about their policy disagreements. We are so far removed from that at this point that I doubt it ever comes back. We have an uneducated bully in the White House. Not sure how much clearer that could be. He's an embarrassment to the United States and people from every party. But because he carries an R with his name, Republicans will defend him no matter what. If he were a Democrat, they would want him strung up. Hypocrisy at its finest.

 

[Gallipoli]

This rhetoric sounds extreme, but the point is a good one.

"A U.S. government aligning with Russia in ways that actively undermine Ukraine’s fight would be a truly shocking development—one that would shatter trust in the United States and irreparably fracture the Western alliance. But Ukrainians, who know the awful cost of this war better than anyone, have no choice but to fight for their country’s survival."

Ukraine Without America

How Kyiv can persist in the face of a hostile Washington.

www.foreignaffairs.com

 

[urfan1]

This rhetoric sounds extreme, but the point is a good one.

"A U.S. government aligning with Russia in ways that actively undermine Ukraine’s fight would be a truly shocking development—one that would shatter trust in the United States and irreparably fracture the Western alliance. But Ukrainians, who know the awful cost of this war better than anyone, have no choice but to fight for their country’s survival."

Ukraine Without America

How Kyiv can persist in the face of a hostile Washington.

www.foreignaffairs.com

Thanks for link, I believe it is a very sound assessment of where this situation lays. As dangerous as it was I believe Zelensky took the proper stance for Ukraine. Why give up one of your few bargaining chips (rare earth minerals) for only a "maybe you will be safe assurance". Putin is ruthless and is not trustworthy, something Zelensky knows, and something Trump refuses to acknowledge.

 

[Gallipoli]

In his interview with Fox News on Friday, Zelensky said he would prefer that Trump not act as a mediator, but more of an advocate of Ukraine. Zelensky screwed up, because everyone has to kiss Trump's rear. Zelensky is a the elected leader of a sovereign democratic country. The Ukrainians point is that, OK, now Trump wants to negotiate. So what, Putin is going to do what he wants. Trump says "at least let me" try. Zelensky says we have to keep the pressure on Putin, so he can't rearm. Ukraine also does not want to be forced into agreeing to something with Putin that is not in Ukraine's interest.

 

[Gallipoli]

Thanks for link, I believe it is a very sound assessment of where this situation lays. As dangerous as it was I believe Zelensky took the proper stance for Ukraine. Why give up one of your few bargaining chips (rare earth minerals) for only a "maybe you will be safe assurance". Putin is ruthless and is not trustworthy, something Zelensky knows, and something Trump refuses to acknowledge.

If the US is the indispensable nation, as Americans believe, then the US must lead.

 

[urfan1]

If the US is the indispensable nation, as Americans believe, then the US must lead.

Someone should explain this to Trump:

By asking for input and listening well, leaders create connectedness and build trust with those they lead.

 

[Long Time Spider Fan]

Trump has now stopped sharing intelligence with Ukraine, he is doing everything he can to tie Ukraines' hands behind its back and benefit his butt buddy Putin. This lack of sharing intelligence with Ukraine will undoubtedly lead to more deaths in Ukraine, including children. I'm sure Trump is not losing sleep over that, he and Musk love to kick people when they are already down and in misery, it makes them feel powerful. Those 2 are nothing but bullies.

 

[Gallipoli]

To your point.... This is why sharing intelligence is important...

"Ukraine’s most powerful missiles were left frozen on Wednesday after the US cut off intelligence-sharing and demanded fresh talks with Volodymyr Zelensky....

Crucial intelligence for long-range missiles such as Himars, which have been key to holding back the Russian offensive, went dark at about 2pm on Wednesday."

Trump turns off Ukraine’s missiles

Zelensky scrambles to restart talks with White House after it pulls crucial intelligence

www.telegraph.co.uk

 

[Gallipoli]

Trump is signaling that he will force Ukraine to make concessions, even if Ukraine does not want to. This is another "Peace in our Time" moment.

At some point, Zelensky will have to tell Trump to undertake self-copulation.

 

[Gallipoli]

From the Institute for the Study of War...

The Trump administration specifically suspended the sharing of intelligence that Ukraine uses for early warning systems to protect against Russian long-range missile and drone strikes, for target designation for HIMARS Guided Multiple Launch Rocket Systems (GMLRS) strikes, and for target designation for long-range strikes within Russia.[2] British outlet Daily Mail reported that the United States also prohibited the United Kingdom from sharing US intelligence with Ukraine.[3] The Kremlin has repeatedly insisted on an end to the provision of all foreign assistance to Ukraine as part of any peace agreement,


"The suspension of US intelligence sharing with Ukraine will damage Ukraine's ability to defend itself against ongoing Russian attacks against military and civilian targets. Ukrainian forces have leveraged their ability to strike within Russia and destroy significant amounts of materiel in order to increase pressure on Russia.

Institute for the Study of War

The Trump administration suspended intelligence sharing with Ukraine, one of many demands the Kremlin has made of the US, Ukraine, and Ukraine's other supporters.

understandingwar.org

 

[urfan1]

Putin owns Trump.

 

[Long Time Spider Fan]

Putin owns Trump.

And with very few exceptions, Putin owns the Republican party. Even former Russia hawks like Rubio and Waltz are doing nothing and actually agreeing with Trump doing everything he can to help Putin. The Republican party = the party of Putin. The celebrations in Russia continue, and at some point in the future Putin will make the US sorry for allowing Trump to bail out Russia.