He’s starting for a better team in a better conference. That should say something.
Khwan Fore Update
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Careful with strong words like "never." Seems as though you strongly prefer him playing 0 than 15.
https://richmond.forums.rivals.com/threads/dumpster-fire.10681/page-2#post-242148
https://richmond.forums.rivals.com/threads/khwan-fore.10581/page-12#post-244836
https://richmond.forums.rivals.com/threads/khwan-fore.10581/page-14#post-245154
https://richmond.forums.rivals.com/threads/khwan-fore-update.11126/#post-255997
Your point with all of this, other then copying and pasting other people's quotes that you often get on other people for doing? I guess you are allowed to bend the rules a little bit.
Anyway, I stand by what I said. Nothing you copied and pasted proves otherwise. I have also said more than once that I would be fine with Khwan playing 15 minutes a game here. What exactly was your goal with all of this?
Anyway, I stand by what I said. Nothing you copied and pasted proves otherwise. I have also said more than once that I would be fine with Khwan playing 15 minutes a game here. What exactly was your goal with all of this?
Seems as though you are wrong. When have I said anything like that? Had I, you certainly would have found a quote of mine to post because u sure as heck posted everything else.
I have never seen so much love on this board for a 6' guard shooting 23% from 3, 39% overall, 60% at the line, 7th on his team in minutes per game, 9th in points per game, and 10th in rebounds per game.
There have got to be hundreds of better reasons to fire Chris Mooney than the departure of Khwan Fore. I don't think it is in the long-term interest of our program to stifle the development of players like Woj/Gus and start 5'9 and 6'0 players together in the back-court. He is a better fit for Louisville since they aren't playing a Gilyard beside him. Buck is of course a completely different story on a number of levels.
There have got to be hundreds of better reasons to fire Chris Mooney than the departure of Khwan Fore. I don't think it is in the long-term interest of our program to stifle the development of players like Woj/Gus and start 5'9 and 6'0 players together in the back-court. He is a better fit for Louisville since they aren't playing a Gilyard beside him. Buck is of course a completely different story on a number of levels.
4700, what's your angle, man? You showed up out of the blue during or after (I forget) our worst season in decades and immediately started defending everything Mooney has done. You have to admit, it seems like a fishy time for someone to do that randomly, no?
I'm genuinely curious why and how you can be so gung ho about our situation with this coach given everything that's happened the past 14 months.
I'm genuinely curious why and how you can be so gung ho about our situation with this coach given everything that's happened the past 14 months.
I enjoy seeing him succeed at Louisville. I'll be cheering for him in March.
You are making the point that the defensive stopper role he's taken on and his coaches at Louisville have bestowed upon him is the same role he'd play at UR. At UR he easily would have also been more a scorer like last year.
You can't correlate his role & Louisville with his role at UR. You are underselling KF.
Coach Mack understands how to utilize Fore so that he can help a team. VT4700 is right on this point.
If someone wants to go back to much earlier posts about Fore (year to year and half ago), it was written by a few of us that Mooney was using Fore inappropriately. I expressed concern that Fore was about to be handed the mantle of team leader, AND that he was not suited for that role.
Due to the way he plays and his skills, Fore will not be best in a 30-minute per game "you are the man" role. As stated long ago, Fore can be VERY EFFECTIVE in a limited role that emphasizes his defense. This is exactly what Coach Mack has done and it is working well.
Mooney's Fore @ 30 plus minutes "you are our senior leader" (score, handle ball, assists, and lead) season at UR would not have been as effective for the team as his 23% from 3, 39% overall, 60% at the line, 7th on his team in minutes per game, 9th in points per game, and 10th in rebounds per game is @ Louisville.
To me, it never was about whether Fore is a good player or not. It is ALL about how he is used to help his team. Player management is Mooney's greatest weakness. A good Coach figured this out with Fore in short order, and that Coach is gaining something of value.
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I have never had an issue with people copying and pasting quotes from other posters. If I've given that impression in the past, then my fault. That's certainly not a problem.
I feel you're using a bit of revisionist history with your posts on Kwan. My goal is to remind you of what you've stated in the past. It would be like me saying, "I knew all season Louisville was going to make the tournament this year," after I clearly stated they had "Less than 0% chance."
Let me clarify. Fore's role is not an absolute. It is relative to the coach he plays for & the system that is run. He can be effective in both our system & that at Louisville. Based upon variables, he is used differently at UR vs Louisville.
Regardless of role, the biggest question to me is, "Are we a better team with or w/out him?" My vote is very quickly "with him". We certainly could use him this year.
Our team would be significantly better on both ends of the court with Khwan playing 30+ minutes per game and woj playing ~10 backing up khwan and gilyard.
That is not a knock on woj, he shows a lot of potential and is good for a freshman. But khwan is a very athletic BCS level starter with 4 years of experience in Mooney’s systems. In our system he is more efficient than woj on offense, a better passer/distributer and a much, much better defender.
That is not a knock on woj, he shows a lot of potential and is good for a freshman. But khwan is a very athletic BCS level starter with 4 years of experience in Mooney’s systems. In our system he is more efficient than woj on offense, a better passer/distributer and a much, much better defender.
Coach Mack knows what he is doing. He will be a National Championship contender at Louisville.
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Correct! About the only part of your post that I agree with.
Read the beginning of this thread and you will see it wasn't started out of KF love. Some more or less negative responses toward him too lead by Khawn's #1 hater here, Gallipoli. I've looked at some of your past posts and no question you aren't/weren't a big fan of KF either. Merry Christmas!
No it would not. That is not even close to an accurate analogy. If you tried to show that I said 2 different things without owning the first one being wrong, you failed miserably. To do that, you would have to post a bunch of recent posts of mine that are way different from what you copied and pasted. All you did was post a bunch of my old posts, most if not all of which I still stand by 100%.
But wasn't Khwan a very athletic BCS level starter with 3 years of experience in Mooney’s systems who played 30+ minutes a game last year? What did that do for us?
Coach Mack has proven beyond any doubt that HE understands how to utilize Fore.
Really? So, you would be thrilled with Mooney if Khwan were averaging 3 points, 1 rebound, and 1 assist a game while shooting 39% overall, 23% from 3, and 60% from the line as long as he was playing good defense?
Seriously?? If he had the exact same role and numbers here, you would be praising Mooney like you are Mack?
Considering that we don't have anyone other than Jacob who knows how to play defense, seems like Khwan's lockdown ACC defense might possibly be helpful.
I think if those were his stats and we were 9-3 against a tough schedule everyone here would be pleased.
Strike 1.
If you read post #169 again you will see that I actually agree with the point that Fore is more effective in his role at Louisville, than he would be the way that Mooney would have tried to use him (30-minute per game role) at Richmond.
Yes, if Mooney had anywhere near the numbers of Mack, we'd be praising him to the rooftops.
I don't think Mooney would have moved Khwan or Buck to the bench if they were here, and a lineup with Jacob, Khwan, Nick and Buck playing 30+ mpg each still wasn't going to work. Nathan wouldn't have gotten his shot to be what he's becoming.
but once Nick went down that would have changed. and adding today's Nathan to Grant, Buck, Khwan and Jacob? that's a 5 that I think would work. a little light on outside shooting, but still pretty strong.
but once Nick went down that would have changed. and adding today's Nathan to Grant, Buck, Khwan and Jacob? that's a 5 that I think would work. a little light on outside shooting, but still pretty strong.
I don't think trading Nick for today's Nate makes us that much better than last year's 12-20 record. Nick was a big reason why we won 9 A - 10 games last year, and losing him obviously hurts tremendously. Every comment I made about the top three leading up to this season said that as long as we do not lose one of our top three, we will be fine. People can call that an excuse all they want, and say we should have more depth to make up for that, but nearly every team out there would not be as good as expected if they lost one of its best players.
All that being said, I am not giving up on this season. Not even close. I still think we can make a lot of noise in the A-10.
Khwan would be a candidate for A10 POY here. A guy that could make this squad a contender. What's all the debate about? Is there really one person here who thinks otherwise? Talking about roles. His role at this level would be to pour in 25 a game.
You can't be serious. Thinking Khwan wouldn't be loud in the A10...sheesh.
Yeah, you are better without him. All is rosy and a big A10 year is ahead. Rooting for VT would definitely be a more lucrative gig right about now.
Khwan was in the A-10 for three years. I liked Khwan as a player, just not a 30-plus minute a game player. But loud, and a possible POY candidate? We must have been watching two different players.
Better off without him. Best to get rid of good players and work with the 2 whole good players that are left I guess. Louisville coach doesn't know anything about players. Just wasting his schollies. And Buck (although probably of his own volition) was a good loss too. Yeah. You're right. I'm convinced! Got a 4 year rebuilding project to face...this isn't going to get better soon.
Hopefully the AD cuts bait so that 4 year project can begin. Be ready for an empty building for several years.
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We lost to Longwood and Wyoming and we were getting killed by Hampton with Nick healthy. So your theory is flawed.
You also seem to be missing the bigger point, which is that who the hell really knows what our players are capable of when they are being coached by Mooney. They're typically not used right or put in the best positions for success, so attempting to evaluate things is a useless exercise.
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Sure, you can use a few early season games to help you argument. I will stick with nearly every A-10 game last year, many of which Nick was the best player on the court, to help mine.
So I guess we are supposed to just expect to have to start from scratch every year then and accept terrible OOC "performances before we "figure things out" later on the year?
I'm tired of playing that game, sorry. You're new to the program so maybe you have patience that almost none of the rest of us have anymore.
Fellas, what damn difference does all this make. We sucked last year, we suck this year and we will continue to suck until changes are made. You're going through a useless exercise.
Of all the hills to die on this isn't the one I ever expected anybody to choose
Glad I read through to the end. I was about to say that I am surprised that anyone would choose this hill!
I guess if you've only been a "fan" for 2 years now, you might have still have faith in Mooney, espicially if you've only read the cliff notes version of the 6 years prior. I suggest you read up on the past 8 years Read up on the underachieving .500 senior led team of Trey Davis, DT, and TA, the team we are all told to wait on for several years when they were seniors. Read up on the OOC failures of the TJ and SDJ team. Read up on the huge road struggles of our program in the early part of this decade. Read up on our A-10 conference performance futility since 2011. Read up on the recruiting misses of actual big names recruits earlier this decade and how we always came in second and now we don't even try for big name recruits anymore. Read up on all those struggles and then realize that they all pail in comparison to where we are now, a bottom feeder A-10 program, playing a cupcake non-competitive OOC schedule and losing playing that.
Read up on all that stuff, than come back here with a more informed perspective, or perhaps maybe sit in our seats, the fan seats, for once in your life and realize how much it sucks to be a fan of this program, watching it swirl ever downward only to have it be defended or more appropriately excused and ignored by a very few high heeled donors, who I guess like Chris as a person and feel that is enough for all of us and for our program.
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