Khwan Fore Update
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You're literally comparing two pile of crap.
I get it. This is all about Mooney. If we had a new coach this year and were 4-7, everyone would be talking about how much better we are doing this year than last year's 2-10, and their ongoing need to rip Mooney would use points like my earlier post showed to talk about how much better we are doing this year against common opponents.
So far, yes. And, if both are piles of crap, why say last year's with Khwan and Buck was better when results so far do not support that?
http://realtimerpi.com/college_Men_basketball_rpi_Full.html
We literally lost by 20 to the worst D1 team. Tonight, we are 337 out of 353.
We literally lost by 20 to the worst D1 team. Tonight, we are 337 out of 353.
You have to know these numbers are meaningless this early in the season, and far from 100% accurate late in the season. The NCAA tourney committee stopped using RPI for a reason. It is a terrible ranking system. You should probably stop using it as well.
VT4700 is still somehow arguing that our team would actually be worse with a starter from an ACC/top 50 team. Truly impressive commitment.
And KenPom, which anyone but you I guess would say is a better system to use than the outdated RPI, has us at 204. I doubt we were better than that at this time last year.
It doesn't matter if this year's team is better than last year's team or not. What matters is that this year's team would be much, much better if we still had Buck and Khwan.
Wow. Just think how good we would be if we had that ACC starter who is averaging 3 points, 1 rebound, and 1 assist a game while shooting 40% from the field, 60% from the line, and 25% from 3 point land. 25 minutes and 0 points last game. Wow, what production we are missing.
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What rating system should we use, then? We are 252 in NET. Does that make you feel better? One of our four wins is against the #352 team in that ranking. You are the one who talked at length about how tough last year's schedule was. This year's schedule has been complete garbage by any metric, and we only have four wins.
You are arguing that a pitcher who is 8-2 with a 6.50 ERA is better than one who is 2-8 with a 1.50 ERA.
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We are ranked 25 spots behind someone called TAMU Corpus Christi. That tells me all I need to know...
Missing from your "analysis" is his impact on defense which may be his primary purpose.
Bingo, this 4700 guy is so far in the company line that he just doesn't consider defense
OMG. Mental gymnastics, indeed.
"Little Stevie had 2 tacos from Taqueria Habanero last week.
This week he had 4 tacos from Taco Bell.
Which tacos were better?"
"Little Stevie had 2 tacos from Taqueria Habanero last week.
This week he had 4 tacos from Taco Bell.
Which tacos were better?"
WOW, we're really arguing about which team is better! Will either team have any signature wins that will catch national attention, will either team get us to the NCAA or even the NIT? I know the answer before you respond. I hope you do also.
were you? I wasn't saying anyone was right or wrong -- just the constant crowing is boring
1) You really going by the amount of score differential to validate your reasoning? LOL!
2) Kenpom numbers: Team 2-10 played #34 ranked OOC SOS. Team 4-7 has played #339 OOC SOS. Night and day!
3) Ok, play out these last 2 OOC games, but wins against HP and SAlabama does little for your argument.
4700, let me ask you these questions. Being you stated the Spiders would have a good A10 season and possibly contend for a top 4 bye spot, did you really think Mooney's team would have at best a 6-7 OOC record? Don't you even have to say, that's subpar? I too believe this team has some new players who can compete on the A10 level, so don't you believe Mooney has done a subpar job so far with the OOC games?
If the question is are we better off without those two, I think the answer is no.
If the question is are we worse this year I think it's still too soon to tell. Yes, we played a tougher schedule last year, but we also lost those tougher games. Playing a tough schedule and losing doesn't impress me just like playing a cupcake schedule and winning a few extra games doesn't impress me.
I think k it would be fair to say that both teams stink and leave it at that.
If the question is are we worse this year I think it's still too soon to tell. Yes, we played a tougher schedule last year, but we also lost those tougher games. Playing a tough schedule and losing doesn't impress me just like playing a cupcake schedule and winning a few extra games doesn't impress me.
I think k it would be fair to say that both teams stink and leave it at that.
You have a better chance of hearing that from Mooney himself.
Except for the fact that as a senior, he most likely would not have accepted a backup point guard spot with us. My point is we are better without him playing thirty-some minutes a game. I have never said I would not want him to play about 15 minutes a game for us.
But, would he have accepted the same role with us this year? Keep in mind he is averaging three points, one rebound, and one steal a game and is not shooting well. Would those numbers have really worked for us this year?
Because they were fantastic players! Good freaking grief. Last year's team was terrible, but not because it had these outstanding players. Maybe, just maybe it was because of the idiot coaching our team.
I will give you that Buck was not as good his second season because by that point Mooney had time to F up is game, softening him and trying to turn him to something he was not.
If we're going to say this year's team is better than last year's based solely on the point differential of three games, might it make sense to consider who those teams had last year and who they lost? Where they were ranked last year and where they are ranked this year? Or are we to assume that all three teams have exactly the same players and are exactly as good as they were last year?
You keep suggesting that Khwan wasn’t going to play a ton as near as I can tell because you think he was going to have his minutes cut. His departure caught CM by surprise. It seems unlikely he wasn’t going to play a lot. The guy that replaced him is a true freshman we only signed because he decommitted from Siena. It’s not like we had some established alternative waiting in the wings.
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Also, of note, we are not currently better without him playing 30mpg. We have won three more games than we had at this juncture last year, but this team looks a lot weaker and has far uglier losses.
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