Last year vs this year stats

[spiderman]

looking for answers and I see some interesting things.

1) we're shooting slightly better from 2 this year ... but taking only 30 shots from 2 per game vs 37 from 2 last year. where are those 7 shots going? well ...

2) we're taking more than 5 more shots per game from 3 this year, and not making them. we made 7.3 threes per game last year ... 7.4 this year. percentagewise, we made 36.2% last year vs an astounding 28.9% this year (which ranks #340). and to repeat ... we take more. smh

3) assists are down 19% ... because we can't shoot.

4) turnovers are up 27%. fouls are up 27%. yikes.

5) our offensive rebounds per game are up, but still awful. our defensive rebounds per game are up, and very strong (#23 in the country).

defensively, opponents take and make too many 3's. and they take and make too many foul shots. but the overall defensive numbers aren't as drastic as the change in our 3 point shooting. tough to win games when you're 340th in 3 point percentage when almost half of your shots are from 3.

Roche - 49% from 3. keep firing.
DeLo - taking 3 times as many 2's as 3's. good job
Dusan - 67% driving from 2, vs 24% from 3 ... but taking many more 3's than 2's. drive!
AP - 49 threes and only 16 twos??? let's go. attack the rim.

 

[MrTbone]

Good observations/analysis. The three pt pctg was well known but lot of other good insights.

 

[RichmondNative]

Speaking of stats, I am guessing that most don’t listen to the Behind the Web show, but there was a comment from Mooney that I am sure the masses will love. It was on the theme of “it takes time”.

He said there were 3 players this year who are statistically ahead of comparible players that were at UR for multiple years.

1) Beagle is ahead of Quinn in year 1.

2) AP is ahead of Bigelow in year 1

3) Tanner is ahead of Bailey in year 3

Kind of funny he said this because I definitely have felt that there is plenty of recency bias on Quinn and Bigelow because they were definitely much better players in year 2 than year 1. Neither were the “impact transfers” that many are saying UR has to land.

On example #3, if only SpiderDad were here….

 

[PhillySpider]

Obviously 3 point shooting is a huge problem. But those defensive shortcomings are every bit as much of a problem. The fouls are a sign of how much worse our d really is and it worse in ways that stats don't show too. Simple truth is we totally lack athleticism and its effecting us at both ends. The shooting is a function of that as well. We probably need to go to some junk defense that can hide the athletic shortcomings better or force teams to slow down a little and not just attack us one-on-one whenever they want.

 

[PhillySpider]

Speaking of stats, I am guessing that most don’t listen to the Behind the Web show, but there was a comment from Mooney that I am sure the masses will love. It was on the theme of “it takes time”.

He said there were 3 players this year who are statistically ahead of comparible players that were at UR for multiple years.

1) Beagle is ahead of Quinn in year 1.

2) AP is ahead of Bigelow in year 1

3) Tanner is ahead of Bailey in year 3

Kind of funny he said this because I definitely have felt that there is plenty of recency bias on Quinn and Bigelow because they were definitely much better players in year 2 than year 1. Neither were the “impact transfers” that many are saying UR has to land.

On example #3, if only SpiderDad were here….

As someone once said, "There are lies, damn lies and statistics".

Moon is delusional. IMHO there is no chance beagle will ever be as good as Quinn or Tanner as DJII (and DJII's comparative numbers were injury impacted and Tanners are not). Ap might still get to Bigs level . . . i guess??

 

[spider23]

Exactly Philly. Dji was injury impacted. And Mooney just really only considers offense. What the hell happened with Boyden and defense? I guess Mooney warned him, we don't want the defenss getting in the way of the offense. You can not be a jerk, and at the same time say we have to get much better. He just WILL NOT state the truth or take responsibility.
All more messaging to point to 2 years down the road.

 

[GKiller]

I feel like 3 pt shooting has not been nearly as good as it should be at UR over time. Not with how we recruit & how we play. Mooney is constantly talking about we go after shooters. Too many with poor fundamentals too over the years.

I’d be curious where we rank going back for 10+ years. Sure we’ve had a couple good years in there. But overall I doubt we rank top 100 if u average it. It needs to be a strength & isn’t….Programmatically (Hardt pretentious word).

I could be wrong. Haven’t seen the stats. That’s just my sense.

 

[gospidersgo]

Good points - we thought we were sacrificing athleticism to gain better shooters, but with how it's playing out, it seems like we now have neither.

 

[spider23]

Can't find it, but saw some stats - individually and team oriented to show that 3 point shooting is terrible in college this season. Maybe due to defense adjustment, etc I don't know. Hopefully Mooney can find the info online, and then can use that as an excuse to say that see its everybody, not just Richmond.

But yes, it does seem like every season we think we are going to be a great 3pt shooting team, and never quite there. Except last year when we had doubts going into the season.

 

[spiderman]

1) Beagle is ahead of Quinn in year 1.
2) AP is ahead of Bigelow in year 1
3) Tanner is ahead of Bailey in year 3

yeah, I'm guilty of recency bias myself. we always remember players as they were at their best as seniors (like with Justin Harper).
and yes, Dji was injury induced ... for 3 years.

but Mooney isn't wrong here. these 3 all got substantially better in the end (which refutes the usual argument that we don't develop anyone here).

still doesn't help us today though. need to speed up the clock.

 

[whampas]

Can't find it, but saw some stats - individually and team oriented to show that 3 point shooting is terrible in college this season. Maybe due to defense adjustment, etc I don't know. Hopefully Mooney can find the info online, and then can use that as an excuse to say that see its everybody, not just Richmond.

But yes, it does seem like every season we think we are going to be a great 3pt shooting team, and never quite there. Except last year when we had doubts going into the season.

After running a weave for 25 seconds we're too tired or out of position for a good shot. Opposition defenses don't even chase that anymore. Some things, hell, most things never change.