Game Thread: VMI 11/7

[SpiderDad75]

Sorry don't get that, I guess your gif is over my head. It was legit question.

We have a couple of guys that are better athletes. I'm not going to name them as I think it's kinda obvious but that doesn't mean Goose is terrible. For me it doesn't matter if you have been somewhere 5-6 yrs If there is someone who is better or playing better that guy should be getting the minutes not reward a guy just because he's been somewhere longer. Nick was a great example and knew he wasn't his old self, coach made the switch and Wilson was inserted bc of his defense and energy. When Goose was cleared another switch was made bc he brought more to the table as a complete player and I will still argue that he got 30 min bc Dji had the ankle injury and would have play some of those minutes. Goose still would have had majority of those though. It was made clear that no one is guaranteed this season and is also one of the reasons why you see every guy busting their butts on court.

 

[97spiderfan]

There are some that still struggle with the system.

Gotcha.

Sorry..I just don't think Goose avg 30. jmo

Yeah, no way Goose is getting averaging 30 minutes per game. That is crazy talk. 2 players last year averaged more than 30 minutes per game, Gilly and Burton, both all A-10 caliber players. That's it.

Goose may continue to start but we have WAY to much quality depth at the 2-3 for a player like Goose, who has his known offensive limitations to average that much. Dji, Roche, Randolph, Crabtree (when he returns), all will be getting time at 2.

 

[SpiderDad75]

Gotcha.

Yeah, no way Goose is getting averaging 30 minutes per game. That is crazy talk. 2 players last year averaged more than 30 minutes per game, Gilly and Burton, both all A-10 caliber players. That's it.

Goose may continue to start but we have WAY to much quality depth at the 2-3 for a player like Goose, who has his known offensive limitations to average that much. Dji, Roche, Randolph, Crabtree (when he returns), all will be getting time at 2.

Agree whole heartedly

 

[GKiller]

We have a couple of guys that are better athletes. I'm not going to name them as I think it's kinda obvious but that doesn't mean Goose is terrible. For me it doesn't matter if you have been somewhere 5-6 yrs If there is someone who is better or playing better that guy should be getting the minutes not reward a guy just because he's been somewhere longer. Nick was a great example and knew he wasn't his old self, coach made the switch and Wilson was inserted bc of his defense and energy. When Goose was cleared another switch was made bc he brought more to the table as a complete player and I will still argue that he got 30 min bc Dji had the ankle injury and would have play some of those minutes. Goose still would have had majority of those though. It was made clear that no one is guaranteed this season and is also one of the reasons why you see every guy busting their butts on court.

u said we have on ball defenders that can come in for him & r better than him athletically. Who Dji? he's not a better athlete than Goose. Relax😀

Goose is the best defender on team that normally takes lot of athleticism. fast, strong, jumps high, good at other sports, hand/eye, he's got all the attributes. u changed the argument a little in this reply but no, it's not obvious to me. Goose is easily 1 of the best athletes on team, there r probably a couple comparable but that's it.

The rest of the stuff didn't seem relevant to my simple comment. But since u brought up it's not loyalty that Goose plays. He's a winning player. We won with him in a big supporting role in 19-20, we struggled when he was injured in 20-21, we won again when he came back & started getting bigger mins again 21-22. It's not a coincidence. Mooney plays him bc he's the best defender on team, he forces more turnovers which other players end up getting the steal stat for too. and because he's versatile and doesn't make mistakes. I don't see double digits ppg like Trap bc we have other players who have bigger role offensively but I do think he can increase his ppg a little. Minutes I don't know, depth and game status r factors there. Dji and Roche playing well consistently will certainly earn minutes. & Dji looked good vs. VMI. when we get into the tight games I still see Moon relying on Goose for near 30 mins, just my take it will play itself out.

 

[8legs1dream]

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[97spiderfan]

Goose is easily 1 of the best athletes on team, there r probably a couple comparable but that's it.

You think Burton is comparable athletically to Goose. Really?

 

[GKiller]

Gotcha.

Yeah, no way Goose is getting averaging 30 minutes per game. That is crazy talk. 2 players last year averaged more than 30 minutes per game, Gilly and Burton, both all A-10 caliber players. That's it.

Goose too. Look at his last 21 games he was over 30. His #'s were heavily skewed returning from injury. Moon eased him in, he played single digits first 5 or so games. It's stupid to just look at averages without context.

You think Burton is comparable athletically to Goose. Really?

I meant to exclude TB in that statement because I'd put him #1. But closer than u think. So comparable, just as a couple others comparable to Goose. But ultimately I'd put those two at the top.

 

[SpiderDad75]

u said we have on ball defenders that can come in for him & r better than him athletically. Who Dji? he's not a better athlete than Goose. Relax😀

Goose is the best defender on team that normally takes lot of athleticism. fast, strong, jumps high, good at other sports, hand/eye, he's got all the attributes. u changed the argument a little in this reply but no, it's not obvious to me. Goose is easily 1 of the best athletes on team, there r probably a couple comparable but that's it.

The rest of the stuff didn't seem relevant to my simple comment. But since u brought up it's not loyalty that Goose plays. He's a winning player. We won with him in a big supporting role in 19-20, we struggled when he was injured in 20-21, we won again when he came back & started getting bigger mins again 21-22. It's not a coincidence. Mooney plays him bc he's the best defender on team, he forces more turnovers which other players end up getting the steal stat for too. and because he's versatile and doesn't make mistakes. I don't see double digits ppg like Trap bc we have other players who have bigger role offensively but I do think he can increase his ppg a little. Minutes I don't know, depth and game status r factors there. Dji and Roche playing well consistently will certainly earn minutes. & Dji looked good vs. VMI. when we get into the tight games I still see Moon relying on Goose for near 30 mins, just my take it will play itself out.

Seems you are taking this Goose thing personal. Not going to get into an argument with you about Goose or any other player...you feel how you feel. As do I and I believe there are some better athletes than Goose on and off the ball. That doesn't mean he isn't a good athlete, it means I just think there are a few better ones 🤷‍♂️

 

[SpiderTrap]

Comparable to Gilyard or Golden. No. But your not comparing apples to apples there. Remember that Gilyard and Golden played together and had to share the ball and shots, along with Burton and at times Cayo. We had 4 guys who could score 15+ on any given night.

This year - I think Goose could get close to 14 simply because we are not sure who else will score for us. We "think" we have alternatives at the 2 this year, but we are not sure yet. Roche - too early to tell, but vs. VMI - looked like a role of shooter off the bench, catch and shoot. Bailey - productive, but he could also come in for Nelson and him, Burton, and Goose could manage ballhandling at times. Crabtree - when he returns from injury, anything? Randolph - brought some energy, but it was also VMI.

I think Goose plays a lot because of his defense and I think he is capable of scoring 10 points a night, maybe even more. The maybe even more part relies a lot on what do we get out of Quinn on a nightly basis. I think we can assume Burton will get us about 18 a night. But after that - lots of questions have to be answered.

All I am saying with Goose is that he doesn't need a lot of shots to get his points. I could see him an average night going 1-3 from deep, getting to the rim, getting transition basket, or getting offensive rebound on 2-3 baskets, and then get to the free throw line 1-2 trips a game. He does that - he gets 10 points and maybe attempts 7-8 shots total?

So really - Goose's production will rely on production of others. But I don't think his minutes go below 30. I think his defense keeps him out there and I have said this all along - I think Mooney favors the upperclassmen and Goose gets the benefit when needed.

 

[SpiderDad75]

Goose too. Look at his last 21 games he was over 30. His #'s were heavily skewed returning from injury. Moon eased him in, he played single digits first 5 or so games. It's stupid to just look at averages without context.



I meant to exclude TB in that statement because I'd put him #1. But closer than u think. So comparable, just as a couple others comparable to Goose. But ultimately I'd put those two at the top.

"It's stupid to just look at averages without context." - exactly...He was over 30 because Dji was injured. With that being said he still would have gotten the majority of the minutes but it wouldn't have been 30 and just don't think it will be 30 this season. Just as 97 said too much quality depth at that spot, Dji can slide there as we've seen, Roche, and Marcus as well and we've not seen Crab yet, who will also be an asset. We even had TB there once or twice against VMI if I'm remembering correctly.

 

[VT4700]

I could definitely see Goose getting 10+ points in multiple games this year, but he won't average that because he will have several 5-7 point games. He won't take enough shots to average 10 a game, and that is fine. We have others who will score. Goose's defense is outstanding, he does a lot of things well, and no question, he is one of the best athletes on the team. Add it all up, and I would expect some games around 30 minutes, but he won't average that because I could see some 22-25 minute games as well.

 

[VT4700]

I could definitely see Goose getting 10+ points in multiple games this year, but he won't average that because he will have several 5-7 point games. He won't take enough shots to average 10 a game, and that is fine. We have others who will score. Goose's defense is outstanding, he does a lot of things well, and no question, he is one of the best athletes on the team. Add it all up, and I would expect some games around 30 minutes, but he won't average that because I could see some 22-25 minute games as well.

 

[Long Island Spiders]

Based on the eye test, Goose seems to be one of the best athletes on our team. He’s quick, has a strong body on defense and seems to be able to match-up against a lot of different types of players.
His weakness seems to be his shot, but I don’t think we have enough data for me to be able to say that definitively.
There’s reasons for giving other players minutes, but i don’t think the primary argument should be surrounding Goose’s athleticism.

 

[97spiderfan]

Goose is easily 1 of the best athletes on team, there r probably a couple comparable but that's it.

You think Burton is comparable athletically to Goose. Really?

 

[VT4700]

I could definitely see Goose getting 10+ points in multiple games this year, but he won't average that because he will have several 5-7 point games. He won't take enough shots to average 10 a game, and that is fine. We have others who will score. Goose's defense is outstanding, he does a lot of things well, and no question, he is one of the best athletes on the team. Add it all up, and I would expect some games around 30 minutes, but he won't average that because I could see some 22-25 minute games as well.

"It's stupid to just look at averages without context." - exactly...He was over 30 because Dji was injured. With that being said he still would have gotten the majority of the minutes but it wouldn't have been 30 and just don't think it will be 30 this season. Just as 97 said too much quality depth at that spot, Dji can slide there as we've seen, Roche, and Marcus as well. We even had TB there once or twice against VMI if I'm remembering correctly.

Was Dji hurt the whole 2nd half of the year? I didn't realize that. I know he got hurt earlier, but I had no idea it was basically season ending. I assumed Goose played so well and was so far ahead of Wilson and Dji, it was more of a can't afford to take him out situation. Wilson was healthy and was backing up Goose when Goose was playing 30+, so I don't think Dji playing would have taken Goose's minutes away. Maybe Wilson's if he could have eventually beaten him out.

 

[SpiderDad75]

I could definitely see Goose getting 10+ points in multiple games this year, but he won't average that because he will have several 5-7 point games. He won't take enough shots to average 10 a game, and that is fine. We have others who will score. Goose's defense is outstanding, he does a lot of things well, and no question, he is one of the best athletes on the team. Add it all up, and I would expect some games around 30 minutes, but he won't average that because I could see some 22-25 minute games as well.

I agree VT and I don't think anyone said that Goose wasn't any of those things either. He is a great defender and arguably the best defender on the team but I just think there are a few guys better athletically. I think he gets around 20-25 but I just don't see 30 a night.

 

[GKiller]

Seems you are taking this Goose thing personal. Not going to get into an argument with you about Goose or any other player...you feel how you feel. As do I and I believe there are some better athletes than Goose on and off the ball. That doesn't mean he isn't a good athlete, it means I just think there are a few better ones 🤷‍♂️

Yes, I like Goose & what he brings, and I can certainly be opinionated. but how I am taking it personal. the above reads like classic cop out & defense mechanism. If anything u take it personal, u have a son on the team & we've seen it from u b4 on board. Logically u would be the one taking things personally. I have no personal connection to Goose. I don't see 97 saying that I'm taking it personal and I responded to him in same way. i was genuinely interested in who you see as better athletes because I don't see it. U brought it up but next time I will try to read your mind that it ends there and no further commentary or Q&A is allowed.

 

[VT4700]

I agree VT and I don't think anyone said that Goose wasn't any of those things either. He is a great defender and arguably the best defender on the team but I just think there are a few guys better athletically. I think he gets around 20-25 but I just don't see 30 a night.

I guess I am more in agreement with G here because I don't see why anyone would say there are a few better than Goose athletically who would compete with him for playing time. If Goose is a great athlete, which he is, does it even matter if there are a few better athletically? I mean, it's not like you would ever take Goose out because he's not a good enough athlete. He can guard and stay with pretty much anybody out there. If someone is a better athlete AND a better all around player AND gives us a better chance to win than Goose does, then sure, play them more and Goose less. But, I guess I am with G and don't get the "but there are better athletes" talk.

 

[SpiderDad75]

I could definitely see Goose getting 10+ points in multiple games this year, but he won't average that because he will have several 5-7 point games. He won't take enough shots to average 10 a game, and that is fine. We have others who will score. Goose's defense is outstanding, he does a lot of things well, and no question, he is one of the best athletes on the team. Add it all up, and I would expect some games around 30 minutes, but he won't average that because I could see some 22-25 minute games as well.

Was Dji hurt the whole 2nd half of the year? I didn't realize that. I know he got hurt earlier, but I had no idea it was basically season ending. I assumed Goose played so well and was so far ahead of Wilson and Dji, it was more of a can't afford to take him out situation. Wilson was healthy and was backing up Goose when Goose was playing 30+, so I don't think Dji playing would have taken Goose's minutes away. Maybe Wilson's if he could have eventually beat him out.

Yes and most didn’t know it either...He injured the ankle for day before the Davidson game (Jan maybe) and had issues the remainder of the year. Coaches were hopeful that he would have been back by VCU (away)but he simply couldn't do the things without pain and why risk it. He couldn't cut and had a bone bruise that he dealt with prior to the NC State game on top of the bad ankle. It was an ongoing thing until the very end of the season. By that time, rotations were set and we got hot.

 

[SpiderDad75]

I guess I am more in agreement with G here because I don't see why anyone would say there are a few better than Goose athletically who would compete with him for playing time. If Goose is a great athlete, which he is, does it even matter if there are a few better athletically? I mean, it's not like you would ever take Goose out because he's not a good enough athlete. He can guard and stay with pretty much anybody out there. If someone is a better athlete AND a better all around player AND gives us a better chance to win than Goose does, then sure, play them more and Goose less. But, I guess I am with G and don't get the "but there are better athletes" talk.

He made the statement, I offered my opinion. I don't agree that he is the best athlete thats all.

 

[97spiderfan]

Goose too. Look at his last 21 games he was over 30. His #'s were heavily skewed returning from injury. Moon eased him in, he played single digits first 5 or so games. It's stupid to just look at averages without context.



I meant to exclude TB in that statement because I'd put him #1. But closer than u think. So comparable, just as a couple others comparable to Goose. But ultimately I'd put those two at the top.

Who else did we have to play the 2 last year once Goose returned? Wilson (who had fallen out of favor and was heading to transfer portal, Dji (was injured), Crabtree (also dealt with injuries). And that is it. Plus, we had 4 starters last year whose talents lied more on the offensive end than the defensive end, so a plus defender like Goose fit that line up. That is not what we have this year.

This year we have a fully healthy Dji, we have a shooter in Roche who comes with a pedigree that got him several BCS offers, Randolph who is no longer a freshman, and Crabtree.

Against VMI: Goose got 23 minutes, Dji and Roche both got 17 minutes. Pretty close. That is what we are going to see, in my opinion. Also looking at the stat line Dji had 8 rebounds in 17 minutes, Goose had 1 in 23 minutes. I suspect as well always do, we will need guy who can rebound the ball.

 

[spiderman]

His weakness seems to be his shot, but I don’t think we have enough data for me to be able to say that definitively.

man, after 4 years I don't know how much data you're looking for.
he's a very good athlete and a strong defender. he's not a shooter or a scorer. when you play 30 mpg ... scorers score. no matter who's on the floor with them.

 

[GKiller]

He made the statement, I offered my opinion. I don't agree that he is the best athlete thats all.

Umm...the statements I made that came in response to your "better athletes" ones? Ok.

 

[VT4700]

He made the statement, I offered my opinion. I don't agree that he is the best athlete thats all.

He didn't say that. He said "one of".

 

[SpiderDad75]

Yes, I like Goose & what he brings, and I can certainly be opinionated. but how I am taking it personal. the above reads like classic cop out & defense mechanism. If anything u take it personal, u have a son on the team & we've seen it from u b4 on board. Logically u would be the one taking things personally. I have no personal connection to Goose. I don't see 97 saying that I'm taking it personal and I responded to him in same way. i was genuinely interested in who you see as better athletes because I don't see it. U brought it up but next time I will try to read your mind that it ends there and no further commentary or Q&A is allowed.

Lol, If I were taking this personal, you would def know it. Aren't you the same one that told me to tell which coach told me about the scrimmage and you would tell me if he lied or not 😂 The bottom line is I don't agree with you about the best athlete part. I haven't taken anything personal and maybe I should have chosen my words a little more carefully, so if that upset you I apologize. I like Goose as well and is an excellent player, he can still be that even though I personally think someone is better...right? That is all .

 

[GKiller]

Was Dji hurt the whole 2nd half of the year? I didn't realize that. I know he got hurt earlier, but I had no idea it was basically season ending. I assumed Goose played so well and was so far ahead of Wilson and Dji, it was more of a can't afford to take him out situation. Wilson was healthy and was backing up Goose when Goose was playing 30+, so I don't think Dji playing would have taken Goose's minutes away. Maybe Wilson's if he could have eventually beaten him out.

My take too. I know he missed some games but IIRC Mooney and even dad himself said Dji was available to play lot of 2nd half.

 

[SpiderDad75]

He didn't say that. He said "one of".

And I said there were some that were better...GEEZ US! What don't we understand about this?

 

[gospidersgo]

Watching Bigelow effortlessly throw down 360 dunks in warmups and then seeing him in live game action makes me think we do have a competition for most athletic on the team.

 

[SpiderDad75]

My take too. I know he missed some games but IIRC Mooney and even dad himself said Dji was available to play lot of 2nd half.

He was "available" just like in all sports player A is available after injuries... we were hopeful but as time went on we kinda knew. I've mentioned this before maybe not in full detail but someone said it didn't matter bc Goose would've got those minutes anyway or Zay. It's all good though.

 

[GKiller]

Lol, If I were taking this personal, you would def know it. Aren't you the same one that told me to tell which coach told me about the scrimmage and you would tell me if he lied or not 😂 The bottom line is I don't agree with you about the best athlete part. I haven't taken anything personal and maybe I should have chosen my words a little more carefully, so if that upset you I apologize. I like Goose as well and is an excellent player, he can still be that even though I personally think someone is better...right? That is all .

Yes I made a joke about the coach, what's your point?

You tweeted last year about loyalty being a bunch of poop. seems personal but idk.

Remember all I asked originally is who was better athletically that would come in for goose. Then u clammed up and took it another direction.

 

[SpiderDad75]

Watching Bigelow effortlessly throw down 360 dunks in warmups and then seeing him in live game action makes me think we do have a competition for most athletic on the team.

with ease...

 

[97spiderfan]

Goose too. Look at his last 21 games he was over 30. His #'s were heavily skewed returning from injury. Moon eased him in, he played single digits first 5 or so games. It's stupid to just look at averages without context.



I meant to exclude TB in that statement because I'd put him #1. But closer than u think. So comparable, just as a couple others comparable to Goose. But ultimately I'd put those two at the top.

Who else did we have to play the 2 last year once Goose returned? Wilson (who had fallen out of favor and was heading to transfer portal, Dji (was injured), Crabtree (also dealt with injuries). And that is it. Plus, we had 4 starters last year whose talents lied more on the offensive end than the defensive end, so a plus defender like Goose fit that line up. That is not what we have this year.

This year we have a fully healthy Dji, we have a shooter in Roche who comes with a pedigree that got him several BCS offers, Randolph who is no longer a freshman, and Crabtree.

Against VMI: Goose got 23 minutes, Dji and Roche both got 17 minutes. Pretty close. That is what we are going to see, in my opinion. Also looking at the stat line Dji had 8 rebounds in 17 minutes, Goose had 1 in 23 minutes. I suspect as well always do, we will need guy who can rebound the ball

 

[GKiller]

Who else did we have to play the 2 last year once Goose returned? Wilson (who had fallen out of favor and was heading to transfer portal, Dji (was injured), Crabtree (also dealt with injuries). And that is it. Plus, we had 4 starters last year whose talents lied more on the offensive end than the defensive end, so a plus defender like Goose fit that line up. That is not what we have this year.

This year we have a fully healthy Dji, we have a shooter in Roche who comes with a pedigree that got him several BCS offers, Randolph who is no longer a freshman, and Crabtree.

Against VMI: Goose got 23 minutes, Dji and Roche both got 17 minutes. Pretty close. That is what we are going to see, in my opinion. Also looking at the stat line Dji had 8 rebounds in 17 minutes, Goose had 1 in 23 minutes. I suspect as well always do, we will need guy who can rebound the ball.

There were options but doesn't matter who. u said "2 players last year averaged more than 30 minutes per game, Gilly and Burton, both all A-10 caliber players. That's it." But I would say 21 games is large sample. I'd argue Goose was a 30 minute guy too. Even tho factually, by average, he was not.

 

[SpiderDad75]

Yes I made a joke about the coach, what's your point?

You tweeted last year about loyalty being a bunch of poop. seems personal but idk.

Remember all I asked originally is who was better athletically that would come in for goose. Then u clammed up and took it another direction.

I didn't clam up...I told you I wasn't naming names. Which is what you wanted. I don't want to assume anything but if I name someone then you want to counter. The point is you didn't like or believe what I said in regards to the scrimmage, just like you don't agree with my belief of others being better (and thats ok) and you wanted me to give you names. I didn't, you then said it wasn't Dji...cool, to me thats bait and maybe I took it when I should have left it alone. You're right, you don't know...When I tweeted that...EARLY in the season I was upset when Dji was healthy. I addressed it here as well and with the staff. Guess what, we all make mistakes. Is there loyalty in sports absolutely and I have made it clear that isn't how players should be entirely judged.

 

[8legs1dream]

 

[spiderman]

as 97 said ... Goose was a great fit the 2nd half of last season surrounded by Gilyard, Burton, Cayo and Golden. all different, but all 4 were scorers. Goose was a perfect role playing defensive starter.

it's not Goose's fault, but this year's starting team is lacking offensive firepower in comparison. guys will score because they have to ... someone has to. but Burton's the only real starting scorer. maybe Nelson.

first and most obvious is that Bigelow should start. and at the 2 ... I think Dji has more upside than Goose. I think he gives just as much defensively and likely more offensively as he plays more. I also want to see more Roche. heck, Randolph looked pretty good. I think Crabtree's minutes will come more at the 3 backing up Burton, but even he might play a little at the 2.

Goose playing 30 made sense with that roster last year and his only comp being Wilson who lost all confidence and Dji who wasn't healthy. it makes no sense this year. he'll still have an important role. I just like him getting 15-20 mpg tops off the bench.

 

[SpiderDad75]

Thank

as 97 said ... Goose was a great fit the 2nd half of last season surrounded by Gilyard, Burton, Cayo and Golden. all different, but all 4 were scorers. Goose was a perfect role playing defensive starter.

it's not Goose's fault, but this year's starting team is lacking offensive firepower in comparison. guys will score because they have to ... someone has to. but Burton's the only real starting scorer. maybe Nelson.

first and most obvious is that Bigelow should start. and at the 2 ... I think Dji has more upside than Goose. I think he gives just as much defensively and likely more offensively as he plays more. I also want to see more Roche. heck, Randolph looked pretty good. I think Crabtree's minutes will come more at the 3 backing up Burton, but even he might play a little at the 2.

Goose playing 30 made sense with that roster last year and his only comp being Wilson who lost all confidence and Dji who wasn't healthy. it makes no sense this year. he'll still have an important role. I just like him getting 15-20 mpg tops off the bench.

well said...and lets move on! How much do we know about Northern Iowa?

 

[GKiller]

I didn't clam up...I told you I wasn't naming names. Which is what you wanted. I don't want to assume anything but if I name someone then you want to counter. The point is you didn't like or believe what I said in regards to the scrimmage, just like you don't agree with my belief of others being better (and thats ok) and you wanted me to give you names. I didn't, you then said it wasn't Dji...cool, to me thats bait and maybe I took it when I should have left it alone. You're right, you don't know...When I tweeted that...EARLY in the season I was upset when Dji was healthy. I addressed it here as well and with the staff. Guess what, we all make mistakes. Is there loyalty in sports absolutely and I have made it clear that isn't how players should be entirely judged.

Yes, I wanted names. That's why I asked. If someone else wrote it I would have asked. "GEEZ US! What don't we understand about this?"

Just pointed out there were conflicting reports about the scrimmage, JOC and Philly Bob said we lost. They are not infallible at all but i will believe them over message board reports. Think that's fair. Also I don't care who won a scrimmage vs Va Tech.

U can tweet & post whatever u want. yet to me for some reason it feels like u don't want anyone to dispute. I say that bc u always come back with these don't take it personal, or relax comments. hello Mcfly anybody home.

 

[urmite]

I didn't clam up...I told you I wasn't naming names. Which is what you wanted. I don't want to assume anything but if I name someone then you want to counter. The point is you didn't like or believe what I said in regards to the scrimmage, just like you don't agree with my belief of others being better (and thats ok) and you wanted me to give you names. I didn't, you then said it wasn't Dji...cool, to me thats bait and maybe I took it when I should have left it alone. You're right, you don't know...When I tweeted that...EARLY in the season I was upset when Dji was healthy. I addressed it here as well and with the staff. Guess what, we all make mistakes. Is there loyalty in sports absolutely and I have made it clear that isn't how players should be entirely judged.

I think these types of discussions are the ones the poster who asked you to leave were talking about.

I also think they will be few and far between and be completely overshadowed by your amble informative additions...

 

[Section9.RowD]

I'm moving on to the Northern Iowa game thread .. hope others do the same. 54 hours to the next tipoff.