Game Thread: VMI 11/7

[plydogg]

What lineups did you guys like the most or see that was more impactful than others?

I mentioned it late last night, but for me the Dji-Randolph-Roche-Bigelow-Quinn lineup was one I really liked seeing. I won’t argue for it as our best lineup, but I really liked what I saw from them. Not only did we have some solid matchups but also a lot of toughness and the willingness to scrap. We were also active on the offensive boards with that lineup without giving up transition points. Might be a sparkplug type lineup or even one if we need to just change the style of game to our favor

 

[plydogg]

Def agree the 3 TOs are on Dji for sure one bad pass the other was stolen off a rebound not sure about the other one but totally agree. Protect the basketball at cost. I think we will see improvement moving forward.

SDad I believe the 3rd TO was in 2nd half with Dji driving from the left wing and stepping out of bounds under the basket while trying to pass out. I thought he played a really solid game and flashed his upside along with some inconsistencies (final 5ish minutes of the first half seemed to struggle a bit). But it’s to be expected with everyone, Tyler included. Brand new team and lineups means a lot of chemistry is missing, and no amount of practice or secret scrimmages can build chemistry like real games can

 

[plydogg]

One thing I thought at halftime of this one. If Providence had shot like VMI did we would have been in the Sweet 16 lol

 

[SpiderDad75]

SDad I believe the 3rd TO was in 2nd half with Dji driving from the left wing and stepping out of bounds under the basket while trying to pass out. I thought he played a really solid game and flashed his upside along with some inconsistencies (final 5ish minutes of the first half seemed to struggle a bit). But it’s to be expected with everyone, Tyler included. Brand new team and lineups means a lot of chemistry is missing, and no amount of practice or secret scrimmages can build chemistry like real games can

Thanks, yeah I had forgotten about getting forced out of bounds. I agree with all of this for sure.

 

[Long Island Spiders]

I mentioned it late last night, but for me the Dji-Randolph-Roche-Bigelow-Quinn lineup was one I really liked seeing. I won’t argue for it as our best lineup, but I really liked what I saw from them. Not only did we have some solid matchups but also a lot of toughness and the willingness to scrap. We were also active on the offensive boards with that lineup without giving up transition points. Might be a sparkplug type lineup or even one if we need to just change the style of game to our favor

You lost me when you suggested Randolph should be starting. Maybe he got better in the offseason but he struggled last year.

 

[SpiderDad75]

You lost me when you suggested Randolph should be starting. Maybe he got better in the offseason but he struggled last year.

I don’t think he meant starting…just the line up he liked best.

 

[VT4700]

Thats right...couldn't think of it. Agree about the lob...and we he came out to see us he already knew I was going to talk about it.😀 Appreciate it!

When Dji hit the 3, I could picture you saying, "take that, 4700". 😀 In all seriousness, I was thrilled to see that go down.

 

[SpiderDad75]

When Dji hit the 3, I could picture you saying, "take that, 4700". 😀 In all seriousness, I was thrilled to see that go down.

😂 I really didn’t. I’m just grateful he’s able to showcase his talents. Been a long road but only up from here. 🕷️🏀

 

[kneepadmckinney]

I don't want to be down on Quinn after just 1 game. But yes. I came away not impressed. I just don't think he is strong/athletic/quick enough to give us what we need in the A-10. I hope I am wrong because we really need Quinn to be able to be a force in this league.

MFG is kind of in there by default, but also became MFG understands Mooney's systems and is kind of the glue that is able to bind these new players and line-ups together.

I actually had the opposite view. I liked very much the way he rotated and drew the charge in the first half, and kept arms straight up on that one plus his block. That was better post D than we've seen in a few years.

They doubled him with short guys every time he touched it, so he didn't really have much room to operate. I thought he made the good basketball decision nearly every time. I think when we get a chance to see him 1v1, you will be less discouraged.

 

[SpiderTrap]

I actually had the opposite view. I liked very much the way he rotated and drew the charge in the first half, and kept arms straight up on that one plus his block. That was better post D than we've seen in a few years.

They doubled him with short guys every time he touched it, so he didn't really have much room to operate. I thought he made the good basketball decision nearly every time. I think when we get a chance to see him 1v1, you will be less discouraged.

Game 1 - Quinn didn't look good. But I again - just one game, against a bad opponent. I don't think he is as athletic as past centers we have had - but then again, he is 7 foot and coming off a foot issue.

I think he has a place on this team and we will need him in some way to be successful - it just might take time to figure out that place.

 

[plydogg]

You lost me when you suggested Randolph should be starting. Maybe he got better in the offseason but he struggled last year.

I think we’ve got our wires crossed here. Not my starting lineup (I would lose everyone with no Tyler Burton starting), just a lineup I really enjoyed seeing out there. Lots of energy and fun to watch! I don’t think it’s the best lineup, just one that can do a specific thing very well

 

[urmite]

Game 1 - Quinn didn't look good. But I again - just one game, against a bad opponent. I don't think he is as athletic as past centers we have had - but then again, he is 7 foot and coming off a foot issue.

I think he has a place on this team and we will need him in some way to be successful - it just might take time to figure out that place.

I assume if he continues to have an assist rate that is 50% higher than Gilly's he will find a place...

 

[spiderman]

Game 1 - Quinn didn't look good.

I'm not sure what didn't look good. 7 boards, 3 assists, and 1 turnover in only 19 minutes. defense didn't stand out as bad to me. 100% from the floor. no, he's not a Kentucky athlete. thought we knew that.

 

[Not-A-Homer]

1-game with MANY new players and coaches. My take is a single game assessment - nothing more definitive until we get at least 5-games in.

1. Quinn satisfactory. Defensively, he moved his feet better and clogged lane better than his predecessor ever did. He blocked a shot and rebounded. I saw no big concerns. Need more designed plays for him posted up. Get it to him down low, and he will score
2. Nelson showed signs that he will be the next great small point guard at UR. He is NOT there yet, and based upon his inexperience and last night's game, I suspect that we will see a lot of up & down. Inconsistent play at point will affect the team play as others have noted
3. Burton must be better if this team is going to finish above .500. He likely will be, but he played poorly yesterday. How consistent Burton is in adapting to being "the man" will have a lot to do with team performance
4. Goose and Grace showed that I shouldn't expect much more from them than what we have seen in the past. Decent, manageable reserves. Problem is that they were starters in game 1. Goose and Grace, in my opinion, are not quite good enough to lead this team to a lot of high quality wins
5. Liked Bigelow's athleticism and effort. First impression was that he showed 1-gear, full speed ahead all the time. My take was that he will be better if/when he shows an improved ability to get his teammates involved
6. I think that management of Roche will play a huge factor in his contribution. His role last night was very different from what he was allowed to do last season. I think that this will affect his psyche (confidence & mindset). His comfort level will be a huge factor in his ability to drop a lot of 3-pointers. Seemed that he was trying to adjust to a new role. Something to watch over the next few games, time will tell
7. Bailey showed more than he has in the past. Again see flashes of good things, but turnovers must improve as others have noted. Mooney yanked him immediately after the bad pass turnover. I think that he can contribute by scoring and defense, but his shooting form makes me suspect that he will not be a consistent 3-point threat
8. VMI was horrible, likely one of the worst teams in all D-1. Any assessments based upon "this game" may or may not hold true going forward
9. Noyes NEEDS PLAYING TIME. I have mentioned him before, but, I am going on record right now in voicing that Noyes needs to be in the game more. In only 90-seconds (and in what other little film that we have seen), Noyes impresses me as silky smooth. His jumper in the lane was a thing of beauty. We know that he can jump and shoot, BUT, he needs college game experience. Sadly, I fear that he is Mooney's "I've got to find more time for him" guy this year. The more (quicker) Noyes gets quality experience, the better this team will be. I will be calling for him often from this moment forward. He can (and should be) a significant contributor

It will be interesting to see what happens against a higher quality opponent.

 

[Long Island Spiders]

1-game with MANY new players and coaches. My take is a single game assessment - nothing more definitive until we get at least 5-games in.

1. Quinn satisfactory. Defensively, he moved his feet better and clogged lane better than his predecessor ever did. He blocked a shot and rebounded. I saw no big concerns. Need more designed plays for him posted up. Get it to him down low, and he will score
2. Nelson showed signs that he will be the next great small point guard at UR. He is NOT there yet, and based upon his inexperience and last night's game, I suspect that we will see a lot of up & down. Inconsistent play at point will affect the team play as others have noted
3. Burton must be better if this team is going to finish above .500. He likely will be, but he played poorly yesterday. How consistent Burton is in adapting to being "the man" will have a lot to do with team performance
4. Goose and Grace showed that I shouldn't expect much more from them than what we have seen in the past. Decent, manageable reserves. Problem is that they were starters in game 1. Goose and Grace, in my opinion, are not quite good enough to lead this team to a lot of high quality wins
5. Liked Bigelow's athleticism and effort. First impression was that he showed 1-gear, full speed ahead all the time. My take was that he will be better if/when he shows an improved ability to get his teammates involved
6. I think that management of Roche will play a huge factor in his contribution. His role last night was very different from what he was allowed to do last season. I think that this will affect his psyche (confidence & mindset). His comfort level will be a huge factor in his ability to drop a lot of 3-pointers. Seemed that he was trying to adjust to a new role. Something to watch over the next few games, time will tell
7. Bailey showed more than he has in the past. Again see flashes of good things, but turnovers must improve as others have noted. Mooney yanked him immediately after the bad pass turnover. I think that he can contribute by scoring and defense, but his shooting form makes me suspect that he will not be a consistent 3-point threat
8. VMI was horrible, likely one of the worst teams in all D-1. Any assessments based upon "this game" may or may not hold true going forward
9. Noyes NEEDS PLAYING TIME. I have mentioned him before, but, I am going on record right now in voicing that Noyes needs to be in the game more. In only 90-seconds (and in what other little film that we have seen), Noyes impresses me as silky smooth. His jumper in the lane was a thing of beauty. We know that he can jump and shoot, BUT, he needs college game experience. Sadly, I fear that he is Mooney's "I've got to find more time for him" guy this year. The more (quicker) Noyes gets quality experience, the better this team will be. I will be calling for him often from this moment forward. He can (and should be) a significant contributor

It will be interesting to see what happens against a higher quality opponent.

I don’t know why you feel so emphatically about Noyes. I’ll trust Mooney and his coaching staff to have a better assessment on this one.

 

[spider23]

I was traveling and was only able to catch the last 15 minutes. Good game to start figuring things out. Hard to tell too much from first game. Great to see Dji and Jaynel do some good things. Having same concerns about Grace/Quinn pairing, it seems a bit slow when we play competition. VMI is bad, but good opponent to get first game jitters out and start figuring out rotations. Agree want to see Nelson and Dji together for long stretches. Liked what I saw from Roche and Randolph. Burton will be fine, just needs to adjust to new guys and role.

 

[Not-A-Homer]

I don’t know why you feel so emphatically about Noyes. I’ll trust Mooney and his coaching staff to have a better assessment on this one.

It will show when he gets the opportunity.

 

[97spiderfan]

I don’t know why you feel so emphatically about Noyes. I’ll trust Mooney and his coaching staff to have a better assessment on this one.

I mean Mooney singled out Noyes as one of his most improved players during the offseason.

 

[SpiderDad75]

There are some that still struggle with the system.

 

[97spiderfan]

4. Goose and Grace showed that I shouldn't expect much more from them than what we have seen in the past. Decent, manageable reserves. Problem is that they were starters in game 1. Goose and Grace, in my opinion, are not quite good enough to lead this team to a lot of high quality wins
.

Not-A-Homer, your summation was fantastic. Slightly different takes on somethings that I had but I can disagree on anything you said. I did want to highlight number 4 here because I think you really hit the nail on the head.

When folks talk about Goose and Grace starting, I'd like to frame it like this. If this team is going to "compete" for an NCAA tournament bid as many of us hope and think we have that potentail, we will need players with higher upsides in starting roles. You might be able to get away with having one of the two starting on a really solid A-10 team but not both. We've got both right now and that is a problem if you look at the ceiling for this team. Again, no slight on Goose and Grace, although some see it that way. They both have been here for 4 plus years now, they are known quantities, they are great roles players, not starters, not together.

Who has a higher ceilings on this team, in my opinion, Dji and Bigelow.

 

[SpiderDad75]

1-game with MANY new players and coaches. My take is a single game assessment - nothing more definitive until we get at least 5-games in.

1. Quinn satisfactory. Defensively, he moved his feet better and clogged lane better than his predecessor ever did. He blocked a shot and rebounded. I saw no big concerns. Need more designed plays for him posted up. Get it to him down low, and he will score
2. Nelson showed signs that he will be the next great small point guard at UR. He is NOT there yet, and based upon his inexperience and last night's game, I suspect that we will see a lot of up & down. Inconsistent play at point will affect the team play as others have noted
3. Burton must be better if this team is going to finish above .500. He likely will be, but he played poorly yesterday. How consistent Burton is in adapting to being "the man" will have a lot to do with team performance
4. Goose and Grace showed that I shouldn't expect much more from them than what we have seen in the past. Decent, manageable reserves. Problem is that they were starters in game 1. Goose and Grace, in my opinion, are not quite good enough to lead this team to a lot of high quality wins
5. Liked Bigelow's athleticism and effort. First impression was that he showed 1-gear, full speed ahead all the time. My take was that he will be better if/when he shows an improved ability to get his teammates involved
6. I think that management of Roche will play a huge factor in his contribution. His role last night was very different from what he was allowed to do last season. I think that this will affect his psyche (confidence & mindset). His comfort level will be a huge factor in his ability to drop a lot of 3-pointers. Seemed that he was trying to adjust to a new role. Something to watch over the next few games, time will tell
7. Bailey showed more than he has in the past. Again see flashes of good things, but turnovers must improve as others have noted. Mooney yanked him immediately after the bad pass turnover. I think that he can contribute by scoring and defense, but his shooting form makes me suspect that he will not be a consistent 3-point threat
8. VMI was horrible, likely one of the worst teams in all D-1. Any assessments based upon "this game" may or may not hold true going forward
9. Noyes NEEDS PLAYING TIME. I have mentioned him before, but, I am going on record right now in voicing that Noyes needs to be in the game more. In only 90-seconds (and in what other little film that we have seen), Noyes impresses me as silky smooth. His jumper in the lane was a thing of beauty. We know that he can jump and shoot, BUT, he needs college game experience. Sadly, I fear that he is Mooney's "I've got to find more time for him" guy this year. The more (quicker) Noyes gets quality experience, the better this team will be. I will be calling for him often from this moment forward. He can (and should be) a significant contributor

It will be interesting to see what happens against a higher quality opponent.

I would agree with most of this. Dji TOs 2 were something that just happens. The bad pass was just that and has to take care of ball. Dji also showed more bc he was healthy and actually got meaningful minutes. But idk if Noyes needs to be on court bc he hit a mid range jumper and saw 2 mins. As I was told last year by several up here “there is a reason” and “best guys play” add in the loyalty factor and I don’t know if it happens 🤷🏼‍♂️ whose minutes would you give him? Again just one game and long way to go but I’m stay on the positive and I think we may know a little more after Fri.

 

[Spider B]

Not-A-Homer, your summation was fantastic. Slightly different takes on somethings that I had but I can disagree on anything you said. I did want to highlight number 4 here because I think you really hit the nail on the head.

When folks talk about Goose and Grace starting, I'd like to frame it like this. If this team is going to "compete" for an NCAA tournament bid as many of us hope and think we have that potentail, we will need players with higher upsides in starting roles. You might be able to get away with having one of the two starting on a really solid A-10 team but not both. We've got both right now and that is a problem if you look at the ceiling for this team. Again, no slight on Goose and Grace, although some see it that way. They both have been here for 4 plus years now, they are known quantities, they are great roles players, not starters, not together.

Who has a higher ceilings on this team, in my opinion, Dji and Bigelow.

Spot on. And nothing wrong with role players like Grace and Goose are. They definitely have a big role on this team.

 

[brooklyn brownstone]

I agree on Grace, disagree on Goose. Not sure why people are lumping them together as if they are a pair or a unit.

I said this in preseason - we don't need Goose to be a star, just to do what he has done previously and hopefully add 3-4 ppg more.. One game - where he played fine on offense and his usual great defense (2 steals) - changes nothing. We're relying on Nelson, Quinn, Tyler, Bigelow, Roche to carry the bulk of the scoring load but the game is played on both ends.

Doesn't mean I'm calling for 30+ minutes a game, especially with the depth this season but those who don't think he's integral to the team's success are wrong IMO.

 

[CarolinaSpider]

When Goos is in with other strong defenders, he seems to kick into a higher gear.
Goos will hit double figures 2-4 times a year, but I expect 5-7 points with a couple steals
will be a typical night. He will be a great support person and team player.

 

[SpiderDad75]

I agree on Grace, disagree on Goose. Not sure why people are lumping them together as if they are a pair or a unit.

I said this in preseason - we don't need Goose to be a star, just to do what he has done previously and hopefully add 3-4 ppg more.. One game - where he played fine on offense and his usual great defense (2 steals) - changes nothing. We're relying on Nelson, Quinn, Tyler, Bigelow, Roche to carry the bulk of the scoring load but the game is played on both ends.

Doesn't mean I'm calling for 30+ minutes a game, especially with the depth this season but those who don't think he's integral to the team's success are wrong IMO.

You're right about Goose. I think Goose just needs to be Goose and do the things that he's always done. TB will prob be our guy scoring then I think we have others that may have great offensive nights...JayNel, Neal, Zay(maybe our #2 guy scoring), Roche and even Dji. We def need Goose's defense but I do think we have some good on ball defenders that don't drop off if Goose is out and may possibly be a little better offensively/athletically.

 

[Not-A-Homer]

I would agree with most of this. Dji TOs 2 were something that just happens. The bad pass was just that and has to take care of ball. Dji also showed more bc he was healthy and actually got meaningful minutes. But idk if Noyes needs to be on court bc he hit a mid range jumper and saw 2 mins. As I was told last year by several up here “there is a reason” and “best guys play” add in the loyalty factor and I don’t know if it happens 🤷🏼‍♂️ whose minutes would you give him? Again just one game and long way to go but I’m stay on the positive and I think we may know a little more after Fri.

Again, my comments are based upon the first game. I don't get the privilege of seeing them daily, and we all know that things can/will change.

To answer your question about getting more minutes for Noyes, my gut says to make Grace's minutes primarily as the back-up for Quinn. Likely start Bigelow, but give a lot of those extra minutes to Noyes.

 

[GKiller]

You're right about Goose. I think Goose just needs to be Goose and do the things that he's always done. TB will prob be our guy scoring then I think we have others that may have great offensive nights...JayNel, Neal, Zay(maybe our #2 guy scoring), Roche and even Dji. We def need Goose's defense but I do think we have some good on ball defenders that don't drop off if Goose is out and may possibly be a little better offensively/athletically.

Goose is 1 of the best athletes on the team

 

[SpiderDad75]

Again, my comments are based upon the first game. I don't get the privilege of seeing them daily, and we all know that things can/will change.

To answer your question about getting more minutes for Noyes, my gut says to make Grace's minutes primarily as the back-up for Quinn. Likely start Bigelow, but give a lot of those extra minutes to Noyes.

I understand and you're right things will change some... I don't get to see them daily either 😀 I wish I could. I hear you about Noyes I just don't agree and thats ok, and if I'm wrong thats ok too😀 My wife will tell you I'm at least wrong everyday😂

 

[SpiderDad75]

Goose is 1 of the best athletes on the team

Didn't say he wasn't a good athlete, just said there are some better...relax 😀

 

[SpiderTrap]

If you watched the halftime piece with Matt Smith on ESPN3 - you will see Goose expects a bigger role. He clearly stated in that interview that the past few years, the team didn't need his offense and he thought the best way to contribute was defense. While we still need his defense for sure, his offense will be needed as well. I think he just needs to find the right mix and that may take a while considering the past few seasons he has been the 4th or 5th option and takes shots as a last resort almost. I think Goose should look to hit 1 three a game, drive to the hoop or transition get 2-3 buckets, and he should be getting to the line twice a game. He does that - he is looking at 10-14 points a night.
Grace - you can tell by the game and his interview, still in that mode of do whatever the team needs to win. He only took 1 shot, but you can see from the minutes that Mooney has confidence in him. Also helps that Quinn got in foul trouble early.

I still think at the end of the day - you got Goose and Grace near 30 minutes a night. Goose will likely be over that. Can we win with that - of course we can. But that means we are getting POY production from Burton. Quinn is dominating down low and on the boards. And Bigelow and Roche and Bailey are providing sparks of offense when needed.

Too early to tell with a bad opponent how it will shape out.

 

[SpiderTrap]

If you watched the halftime piece with Matt Smith on ESPN3 - you will see Goose expects a bigger role. He clearly stated in that interview that the past few years, the team didn't need his offense and he thought the best way to contribute was defense. While we still need his defense for sure, his offense will be needed as well. I think he just needs to find the right mix and that may take a while considering the past few seasons he has been the 4th or 5th option and takes shots as a last resort almost. I think Goose should look to hit 1 three a game, drive to the hoop or transition get 2-3 buckets, and he should be getting to the line twice a game. He does that - he is looking at 10-14 points a night.
Grace - you can tell by the game and his interview, still in that mode of do whatever the team needs to win. He only took 1 shot, but you can see from the minutes that Mooney has confidence in him. Also helps that Quinn got in foul trouble early.

I still think at the end of the day - you got Goose and Grace near 30 minutes a night. Goose will likely be over that. Can we win with that - of course we can. But that means we are getting POY production from Burton. Quinn is dominating down low and on the boards. And Bigelow and Roche and Bailey are providing sparks of offense when needed.

Too early to tell with a bad opponent how it will shape out.

 

[SpiderDad75]

If you watched the halftime piece with Matt Smith on ESPN3 - you will see Goose expects a bigger role. He clearly stated in that interview that the past few years, the team didn't need his offense and he thought the best way to contribute was defense. While we still need his defense for sure, his offense will be needed as well. I think he just needs to find the right mix and that may take a while considering the past few seasons he has been the 4th or 5th option and takes shots as a last resort almost. I think Goose should look to hit 1 three a game, drive to the hoop or transition get 2-3 buckets, and he should be getting to the line twice a game. He does that - he is looking at 10-14 points a night.
Grace - you can tell by the game and his interview, still in that mode of do whatever the team needs to win. He only took 1 shot, but you can see from the minutes that Mooney has confidence in him. Also helps that Quinn got in foul trouble early.

I still think at the end of the day - you got Goose and Grace near 30 minutes a night. Goose will likely be over that. Can we win with that - of course we can. But that means we are getting POY production from Burton. Quinn is dominating down low and on the boards. And Bigelow and Roche and Bailey are providing sparks of offense when needed.

Too early to tell with a bad opponent how it will shape out.

All fair points...not sure if he is avg 30 min though.

 

[SpiderTrap]

All fair points...not sure if he is avg 30 min though.

Goose or Grace?

Goose is likely a no brainer. Last year when he came back from injury he was right at 30 minutes. And that was with a team of super seniors.

Grace is a tougher call. A lot will depend on the production of Quinn and Bigelow. I thought Bigelow has a good game off the bench in 19 minutes. Quinn only got 19 but had some foul issue early. But what is telling to me - Grace takes 1 shot in a 20 point win and plays 27 minutes. I have to imagine if that was a close game - just 10 point margin - he is in there over 30. But again - I think Grace minutes depend a lot on Quinn and Bigelow. But either way - I see him hovering right at that 30 mark.

 

[SpiderDad75]

Goose or Grace?

Goose is likely a no brainer. Last year when he came back from injury he was right at 30 minutes. And that was with a team of super seniors.

Grace is a tougher call. A lot will depend on the production of Quinn and Bigelow. I thought Bigelow has a good game off the bench in 19 minutes. Quinn only got 19 but had some foul issue early. But what is telling to me - Grace takes 1 shot in a 20 point win and plays 27 minutes. I have to imagine if that was a close game - just 10 point margin - he is in there over 30. But again - I think Grace minutes depend a lot on Quinn and Bigelow. But either way - I see him hovering right at that 30 mark.

Sorry..I just don't think Goose avg 30. jmo

 

[GKiller]

Didn't say he wasn't a good athlete, just said there are some better...relax 😀

Who r they?

 

[SpiderTrap]

All fair points...not sure if he is avg 30 min though.

Goose or Grace?

Goose is likely a no brainer. Last year when he came back from injury he was right at 30 minutes. And that was with a team of super seniors.

Grace is a tougher call. A lot will depend on the production of Quinn and Bigelow. I thought Bigelow has a good game off the bench in 19 minutes. Quinn only got 19 but had some foul issue early. But what is telling to me - Grace takes 1 shot in a 20 point win and plays 27 minutes. I have to imagine if that was a close game - just 10 point margin - he is in there over 30. But again - I think Grace minutes depend a lot on Quinn and Bigelow. But either way - I see him hovering right at that 30 mark.

 

[SpiderDad75]

Who r they?

 

[SpiderTrap]

All fair points...not sure if he is avg 30 min though.

Goose or Grace?

Goose is likely a no brainer. Last year when he came back from injury he was right at 30 minutes. And that was with a team of super seniors.

Grace is a tougher call. A lot will depend on the production of Quinn and Bigelow. I thought Bigelow has a good game off the bench in 19 minutes. Quinn only got 19 but had some foul issue early. But what is telling to me - Grace takes 1 shot in a 20 point win and plays 27 minutes. I have to imagine if that was a close game - just 10 point margin - he is in there over 30. But again - I think Grace minutes depend a lot on Quinn and Bigelow. But either way - I see him hovering right at that 30 mark.

 

[GKiller]

Sorry don't get that, I guess your gif is over my head. It was legit question.

 

[spiderman]

I think Goose should look to hit 1 three a game, drive to the hoop or transition get 2-3 buckets, and he should be getting to the line twice a game. He does that - he is looking at 10-14 points a night.

10-14 ppg???
you think Goose is comparable offensively to Gilyard or Golden?

Goose played 30 mpg the 2nd half of last year because we had no strong alternatives at the 2. we do now.