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Everyone relax. The good part of playing games like this is that a loss doesnt hurt us. Its a loss to what looked a a top tier (at least top half) team in their gym. Its a missed opportunity, but its fsr from a back breaking loss. We didnt play well and were flat and got beat by the Gators. Lets regroup and take care of UNI.
I agree that the D is concerning, but it will improve as the season continues.
I agree that the D is concerning, but it will improve as the season continues.
This game is what has been suspected about our team this year, a much greater degree of variability. While it was expected the average game of this year's team would likely be better than last year, hence the optimism, this year's ceiling appeared much higher and floor much lower.
Personally I would rather win 2 games by 12 and lose 2 by 20 than lose 4 games by 4 each against the same schedule.
Personally I would rather win 2 games by 12 and lose 2 by 20 than lose 4 games by 4 each against the same schedule.
Seriously, its the guy's 11th season. If it hasn't changed by now, it ain't happening.
I don't think it's the defensive scheme that's the problem. It's the execution by the players that's the problem. We have been very successful in the past with our brand of defense.
Watch a Wood and Cline. Wood is totally lost much of the time on defense and Cline is just too slow. Wood should get better but you can't learn speed so don't expect Cline to improve much.
Both Wood and Cline would benefit from a more basic defense but we all know that's not happening.
Watch a Wood and Cline. Wood is totally lost much of the time on defense and Cline is just too slow. Wood should get better but you can't learn speed so don't expect Cline to improve much.
Both Wood and Cline would benefit from a more basic defense but we all know that's not happening.
I don't think scheduling was an issue. We say all the time we have stepped up our program and I believe we use private jets or chartered flights for our basketball program. So the game in Vegas was late Friday night - hop on the plane that night, red eye it back to Richmond - give the guys off on Saturday to rest and get back. Sunday practice at Richmond, then Sunday night - charter down to Florida. So I don't like using that as an excuse.
I think we just got bullied by an SEC team. Florida looked at Richmond, and simply said - lets just beat up this mid-major program, and they did. Its not like Florida shot lights out and we couldn't buy a bucket. They only shot 41% overall and only 28% from 3. We shot poorly overall - 34%, but shot decent from 3 - making 7 for 20. The difference - 17 offensive rebounds, resulting in 23 2nd chance points.
Look - as a team that relies on outside shooting, your going to have cold shooting nights like last night. It will most likely happen 3-5 more times this year. Bad teams - give up and say, well - we shot bad and nothing we can do. Good teams will say - we are shooting bad, we really need to step up our defense and lock down to keep this game close. If your having a bad shooting night, just keep the game close and hope it comes down the final minutes and a few possessions. Not a 30 point blowout in the 2nd half.
And one other takeaway from this game - 1st half subs. We were getting killed early and not hitting shots, yet Allen, ShawnDre, and Trey play 19 minutes, and Taylor gets 15 - while Fore gets 2, Johnson 2 and Jesse 1. I am all for playing our starters long minutes when things are going well - but when nothing seems to be working and your losing by 15 points anyway - why not try something else. Maybe Fore or Jesse gives us a spark we need off the bench in extended minutes. Giving them only 1 or 2 minutes in my mind shows the lack of confidence the staff has in our bench as this was a game where our starters were missing shots left and right and we needed a spark off the bench and they never got a chance.
I think we just got bullied by an SEC team. Florida looked at Richmond, and simply said - lets just beat up this mid-major program, and they did. Its not like Florida shot lights out and we couldn't buy a bucket. They only shot 41% overall and only 28% from 3. We shot poorly overall - 34%, but shot decent from 3 - making 7 for 20. The difference - 17 offensive rebounds, resulting in 23 2nd chance points.
Look - as a team that relies on outside shooting, your going to have cold shooting nights like last night. It will most likely happen 3-5 more times this year. Bad teams - give up and say, well - we shot bad and nothing we can do. Good teams will say - we are shooting bad, we really need to step up our defense and lock down to keep this game close. If your having a bad shooting night, just keep the game close and hope it comes down the final minutes and a few possessions. Not a 30 point blowout in the 2nd half.
And one other takeaway from this game - 1st half subs. We were getting killed early and not hitting shots, yet Allen, ShawnDre, and Trey play 19 minutes, and Taylor gets 15 - while Fore gets 2, Johnson 2 and Jesse 1. I am all for playing our starters long minutes when things are going well - but when nothing seems to be working and your losing by 15 points anyway - why not try something else. Maybe Fore or Jesse gives us a spark we need off the bench in extended minutes. Giving them only 1 or 2 minutes in my mind shows the lack of confidence the staff has in our bench as this was a game where our starters were missing shots left and right and we needed a spark off the bench and they never got a chance.
Agree with timing for catching a red eye back on Saturday, getting in at dawn on Sunday, then getting your system back on East Coast time and flying right down
to Florida on Monday afternoon. After two very physical, up and down games, this was not a formula for rested legs for Florida. Better team won, but I would of liked
to have gotten them with a few more days rest vs basically 24 hours.
On the other Florida had not traveled since November 21st and had 4 days to prepare for us. Not excusing our poor showing......just saying.
Trap, i agree with the fact the larger, faster, stronger team was in the mood for a butt whipping. But I will disagree that I think scheduling had some negative effect. I have traveled to conferences out west for about 3-5 days, and whether young or old, it takes a few days to get your system back on track cause you are not use to it. The guys looked to me like they were still stuck in the other time zone. Many of their shots were short or on front of rim, signifying tired leges. Usually a game like this results in a wake up call and good things usually follow, so I am counting on a real barn burner on Saturday.
Are you saying that there is no game plan every time a college basketball team takes the floor? Some Coaches create a better plan of attack than others, and some players execute said plan better than others. You know this is part of the game.
schedule was a huge factor, but not much you can do about that. you take the game.
but back to back very tough games on the west coast wiped us out. we then travel east, then travel to Fla. that's not a factor? compared to Fla, who's been home all week?
scheduling is huge in college hoops.
I love when teams don't have much time to prep for us, but UNI has plenty. at least they're traveling though, the 1st of 5 road games all over for them. wish we were the 5th.
but back to back very tough games on the west coast wiped us out. we then travel east, then travel to Fla. that's not a factor? compared to Fla, who's been home all week?
scheduling is huge in college hoops.
I love when teams don't have much time to prep for us, but UNI has plenty. at least they're traveling though, the 1st of 5 road games all over for them. wish we were the 5th.
But lets remember - these are 18-21 year old KIDS we are talking about. Not 28-33 year old NBA players on their 8th season or 6th game of a road trip. Saying scheduling was a factor - go ahead, that is just an excuse. What are we going to do if we make the NCAA tourney and have to fly out West for a game - say its too far, or the time zone through them off? Please. These KIDS just got beat early and then there was no spark, not from the bench, coaches, or players to get them out of it. We had a cold night shooting - which is going to happen again - and when it happens, will we just pack it in and take the beating or will they try to make a game of it
All in all - this game does nothing to our resume. The only part it might hurt is the very subjective "eye" test, since the game was on TV with ESPN SEC network - so not sure how many committee members watched the game, but losing by that much does not help the "eye" test if you believe in that sort of thing.
Hold home court - beat UNI, and all is forgotten.
All in all - this game does nothing to our resume. The only part it might hurt is the very subjective "eye" test, since the game was on TV with ESPN SEC network - so not sure how many committee members watched the game, but losing by that much does not help the "eye" test if you believe in that sort of thing.
Hold home court - beat UNI, and all is forgotten.
I mean, I'm glad we got to play an SEC school on the road, and I'm sure it will help our RPI, but if we really believed that the timing of the game gave us very little chance to win or even compete, we shouldn't have scheduled it, period. And the team that I saw last night pretty much looked and played as if it was defeated before the game started. That's on the coach. Get your team prepared and ready, or don't show up at all.
And if we aren't using any of that as an excuse, then it's almost worse because what is our excuse then? It's one thing to lose a game. That's fine and will happen. But we shouldn't get embarrassed like a JV high school team the way we did last night. Florida is nowhere near good enough to do that to us.
If the travel thing was a big deal, I suspect we could have found another road game SOMEWHERE this week against a quality opponent.
And if we aren't using any of that as an excuse, then it's almost worse because what is our excuse then? It's one thing to lose a game. That's fine and will happen. But we shouldn't get embarrassed like a JV high school team the way we did last night. Florida is nowhere near good enough to do that to us.
If the travel thing was a big deal, I suspect we could have found another road game SOMEWHERE this week against a quality opponent.
Out-talented, out hustled, out coached. CM needs to coach to his players, not to a system. His inability to adjust during game throughout his tenure remains constant. Sick of getting pounded on boards-that margin is beyond embarrassing. Should beat next 4 cupcakes but that will prove nothing. Games against opponent like Florida is when coaching ability is revealed.
|If scheduling was a factor all the more reason to play the young guys once the game got out of hand. Mystifying how the "coach" ignores the big guy when we have zero inside presence besides Allen and get killed on the boards against big athletic teams. How is this kid who sat on the bench all last year supposed to get better when he almost never gets to play? Hopefully there wont be too many more games like this so I can't understand how the "coach" doesn't get him and the young guards into the game for some extended playing time. This was really a missed opportunity to have something good come out of the game.
we've gone through this with plenty of others, like Duinker and C Smith. we always love the new guys ... the youngsters. but coach sees them every day. and if PF isn't ready, he isn't ready. you don't just give him time. he has to earn it in practice every day. same with Julius, Jesse, Khwan and KoVien.
Amen. Well said. Florida punched us in the mouth and not only did we not respond, but we essentially allowed them to jump on top of us and continue to beat us all game long. Our team and coaches should be embarrassed by the performance last night. The lack of fight last night was very disappointing.
Bring back Gary Rich - at least that way when a Florida player came thundering down the lane for a dunk there would be some one in his way and there would be some contact.
I agree with this but it will be a shame if KoVien earns one minute in one game for the entire season...
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Cal put on a dunking clinic on us as well. I kept waiting for someone to commit a hard foul on one of those dunks and say enough, you aren't going to do this on us all game. Didn't happen.
Who is our on court leader? Kendall has been for the past several years and I don't think that mantle has passed. I don't see Kendall, Gonzo, K. Smith, putting up with that type of effort that we saw last night. Sometimes you need a teammate to stand up and say this is not what we are about.
We shall see if that happens or who might emerge in this role. SDJ seems to be the most likely candidate in my mind.
Cal put on a dunking clinic on us as well. I kept waiting for someone to commit a hard foul on one of those dunks and say enough, you aren't going to do this on us all game. Didn't happen.
Who is our on court leader? Kendall has been for the past several years and I don't think that mantle has passed. I don't see Kendall, Gonzo, K. Smith, putting up with that type of effort that we saw last night. Sometimes you need a teammate to stand up and say this is not what we are about.
We shall see if that happens or who might emerge in this role. SDJ seems to be the most likely candidate in my mind.
So is a tired legged, ass dragging veteran better than a fresh legged freshman sitting on the bench?
Don't burn the tape make them watch it over and over at least 4 or 5 times until tomorrow. We weren't shooting well so we put in a very weak effort every where else. They should be embarrassed. Losing to Fla there no big deal, getting blown out of the gym pitiful.
Some more venting. If DT's lack of scoring is ok because he is in there for defense and rebounding, I didn't see it. Trey does have a horrible shot, but he can make them occasionally but when he misses he misses badly. When are we going to use the backboard in the post, Terry and TJ to a lesser extent tried to drop them in, easier to block and hard to do when it rugged inside. Boxing out, they just won't do it, and you have to against a stronger team. Fla played the right defense they didn't chase the ball so our whipping it around the perimeter didn't get anyone open. We didn't finish drives to the basket we tried to finesse them in, a hard drive can at least draw fouls.
How can it be worse? We looked like a boys club team playing against Golden State. At least PF has some years to develop.
They are just so much more athletic and better than we are. They will be a top team by years end. I think only TA would get any pt on their squad and that would b minimal.
Sorry, FatherSpider, but I disagree with you about the playing time from Terry Allen. He can play for most anybody. Florida is not a great team. They are good. Period. They are top 50 but not top 25 is my best guess. They do not shoot well. They are average in ball handling as well as their defense. What they do well is what we don't. They rebound. When we shoot well, we should be able to beat them, but if we do not, the same thing will happen as it did last night. We have no fall back position. We cannot rebound well. A team like Florida does not need to shoot very well since they get so many second chance points. We do not. Any team that hits the boards hard will generally beat us unless we shoot well. Same old, same old for the last 11 years.
Right on target. IF you buy the weak legged travel argument (which I do not), then you would need to blame the scheduling Coach for putting a game on the schedule that would result in a SURE blowout loss. Makes little sense.
I'm pretty sure the "scheduling coach" that made this one is currently residing in South Beach. If we're going to be passing innocuous blame, let's at least point it correctly.
if you don't think the travel with the back to back west coast games and subsequent trip to FLA had an affect, then I'd like to hear another theory. we weren't the same team that battles WVU and Cal. excuse or not, it's likely a big part of it.
I guess you have never heard of teams that travel across country having tired legs. If not, I understand you reasoning. This has never happened to any teams in the past. Again no excuses.
Mooney said on the pregame with Bob Black they had a good practice Sunday before game: energetic and attention to details and got after it. After hearing that out of his mouth, hard to believe the travel factor who knows. Think we didn't expect to get punched like that and they kept coming all game long and we didn't adjust or couldn't. It was a pure domination by FL, I haven't seen that many blocked shots against us in I don't know how long. It did look like a JV team out there unfortunately.
I cannot remember for sure but a few years back around January we had played Dayton or Xavier away and gotten our head handed to us real good.
The next game was against a ranked Temple team at home. Good crowd turned up at the RC and we demolished Temple and I think it was Kendell Anthony's
freshmen year and he came out and hit some big threes. I remember coming up for that game and in warmups watching Temple hitting 90% of the 3s they took.
I was concerned it was going to be a long game for us. Hopefully FL put a chip on our shoulder and we will take it out on UNI. We all remember their wonderful football
fans that came on our website during 2008.
The next game was against a ranked Temple team at home. Good crowd turned up at the RC and we demolished Temple and I think it was Kendell Anthony's
freshmen year and he came out and hit some big threes. I remember coming up for that game and in warmups watching Temple hitting 90% of the 3s they took.
I was concerned it was going to be a long game for us. Hopefully FL put a chip on our shoulder and we will take it out on UNI. We all remember their wonderful football
fans that came on our website during 2008.
