Thanks for the grammar lesson. Given the vast number of misspellings and incomplete sentences elsewhere, I guess I'll take it as a compliment that this is the worst thing you could point out.
Where to, Ododa?
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gosh i, am not from VA nor a baptist yet am painted into some corner by another. am certainly a fiscal conservative but do not vote on social issues am not a one issue voter nor one party voter. maybe a stealth reactionary or jr. reactionary but not a full-blown one. i, just get your facts straight before calling names or compartmentalizing another, especially if you do not know that person.
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ANO will go somewhere he will get a chance to play the 4 spot, or at least learn/show some 4 skills. He's not getting the chance to do that at UR. That makes me think about UR recruiting. If there is one type of recruit that Mooney can get it is the 6"8"-6'11 190-210lb player with some skills. He always has 2 or 3 on the roster. Xavier, when they were in the conference always had a player around 6'9" 210 that played the 3/4 spot. Mostly played facing the basket from the outside in and always was a killer to UR. The first name that comes to me is Justin Doleman. Every year Mooney seems to recruit these type of players but never seems to go big. Instead, he moves a smaller guy to the 3. Harper was kind of this type, Allen could be, but the rest get stuck trying to play the 4 or in ANO's case the 5. Dunkier could have been this type but it wasn't to be. Mooney is more of a move a guy up a position type of coach than down a position.
Oct, for whatever reason, UR has never been able to recruit big frontcourt players or much depth in that area. look at other teams which come into the Robins Center and they have tons of big guys. we have had a handful, no matter the coach, which were great at 4 or 5 and most were undersized, see Peter Woolfolk, but had great around the basket skills. it is not like we have ever had guys with size who could be moved down because we are always needing to move guys up. again, not a CM deal, has always been this way.
I know that, but he will still take those players and if they don't work at the position that he wants them to play then he puts them on the bench instead of finding a way to make their skills work on the floor. I thought when FC Martel arrived at UR that he could have been one of the best 2 guards that UR ever had. He had the size, skills and athleticism to play there. A bigger David Gonzalvez or Darrion Brothers if you will. And Mooney's defense would have been perfect for him there! But 4 years later and those skills were gone. Mooney had weeded them out trying to make him into a different player. His type of player. And so Martel becomes another disappointment. Mooney was trying to move Derrick Williams to the wing his senior year. He was a tweener, a little short to be under the basket but still more effective there than outside. If you are going to sign a player play him where he can be effective and accept their limitations. And don't complain about not having any depth when you have 13 players on your team.
People always complain about Conner Smith. Anyone remember that game at Kansas when UR was getting throttled in the first half. All of UR front court players were in foul trouble and Mooney was forced to play CS for some extended minutes. He responded with a couple of steals, maybe a basket and triggered a UR run that kept them from getting blown out early. All because Mooney couldn't suck him out of the game like he usually does. If you are going to sign a player, try to find a way to make his skills work. Otherwise, don't sign him.
People always complain about Conner Smith. Anyone remember that game at Kansas when UR was getting throttled in the first half. All of UR front court players were in foul trouble and Mooney was forced to play CS for some extended minutes. He responded with a couple of steals, maybe a basket and triggered a UR run that kept them from getting blown out early. All because Mooney couldn't suck him out of the game like he usually does. If you are going to sign a player, try to find a way to make his skills work. Otherwise, don't sign him.
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We have also consistently been a team that has not made the NCAA's in the past four years. Might there be a correlation, I think so. We have consistent good teams but the difference between good teams and NCAA team is our continued inability to get an impact recruit.
Yes, 26-9, & 29-8 certainly considered good teams. 21-14 is not bad.
13-17, 8-22, 16-15, 18-16, 20-16, 16-16, 19-15, 19-14, not so much.
I think Mooney is recruiting some really good players now. Think about why they are not immediate impacts. He is not getting any 5s that are ready. But the rest of the players have looked ready when they got here. With the exception of Butler and Harper, most leave about the same player they were when they got here.
Diekvoss, Smithen, Singleton certainly didn't look ready when they got here. Friendshuh was also redshirted prior to his knee injury, so the coaches made a determination that he wasn't ready to play yet.
In the last 2 recruiting classes, 1 player, SDJ has been ready to play when he got here. To me, that is not most.
To be fair, Friendshuh also had about 4 players in front of him so playing time was going to be slim anyway unless he was last season's ANO/TA/TJ caliber from the get-go. Can't expect a freshman 5 to come in and put up the numbers they did last year, otherwise they would be a 4* or 5* caliber recruit and would be taken by some decent P5 team. When he is a redshirt sophomore or junior then we might be able to expect that kind of performance.
In Mooney's 10 year tenure there have only been two seasons where a freshman didn't get 10+ minutes a game. This past season and the 2010 season. Other than those two seasons Mooney has consistently brought in at least one freshman who was able to contribute immediately.
Terry isn't leaving yet, thank goodness, but he's certainly not the same player he was when he got here. his improvement has been dramatic and consistant.
I'd argue Kendall improved a lot as well. good from the beginning for sure, but one of our best ever at the end.
ShawnDre' made a big jump in one year. Hope to see that continue.
I'd argue Kendall improved a lot as well. good from the beginning for sure, but one of our best ever at the end.
ShawnDre' made a big jump in one year. Hope to see that continue.
True. If we can't recruit or develop players how were we one of the first 4 teams out of the NCAAs. That means there were only ~45 teams better than us in the country and 300+ who were worse. How could this be possible if we can't recruit or develop talent?
97, I still disagree that we "should" be able to land guys that have other "decent" P5 offers. It's happened once that I can think of. the only ones I can remember of that we landed may have had early offers, but I don't think those offers were still real. that's Robbins and Piotrowski. we were so excited about them based on who else had offered. ANO actually chose us over a couple of P5 offers but he's not going down as an all time great either.
and yet we've had our big years. and while this rebuild from the last run took longer than any of us hoped, the roster looks ready for the best year we've had in a while. and if the incoming freshman class is as promising as it appears, we could be in for a good run. I'm optimistic.
You can disagree that is fine and the examples you bring up are good examples that just because they are highly recruited does not make them a sure bet. However, the top A-10 schools are regularly getting recruits who also have BCS offers. I think coaches that are the best salesman are able to get these kids.
All of that is not saying I am not optimistic because I am, but I also think that we would have had better success over these past 4 years, had Mooney closed the deal on his top identified recruits, instead of having to settle for 2nd or 3rd choices. He is going after some highly rated recruits next year that also have some BCS offers, if using your line of thinking that we can't land those guys, than in essence you also saying he is wasting his time recruiting those kids because we aren't going to get them anyway.
typically we're involved early with kids that we target. once they have firm offers at a higher level, if through conversavtions we realize that we're no longer really in the mix, then we move on. you'll still see our name on their list of offers but we're not really in there. but if the kid shows that we're a real option and we feel it's a great fit, like with AW, TH, and MW a couple of years ago, we'll keep working on them. but it's a rare circumstance that we'll be in the final group of a kid with P5 offers.
I'm not sure the best salesman gets these kids with real P5 offers. we're very attractive to some student athletes, but don't offer what some others want. kids with grades and scores get offered by more highly attractive programs. competition is tough. and while we offer a lot we don't offer the big name conference that some crave. and a lot of kids just don't want a small school. and I don't want a saleman over a sincere coach anyway.
I'm very happy with our recruiting and our current roster. I know it's been too long, but we were in the discussion. I think that's how I defined a good season a while back. I want to be in the discussion every year. we'll get back over the hump.
I'm not sure the best salesman gets these kids with real P5 offers. we're very attractive to some student athletes, but don't offer what some others want. kids with grades and scores get offered by more highly attractive programs. competition is tough. and while we offer a lot we don't offer the big name conference that some crave. and a lot of kids just don't want a small school. and I don't want a saleman over a sincere coach anyway.
I'm very happy with our recruiting and our current roster. I know it's been too long, but we were in the discussion. I think that's how I defined a good season a while back. I want to be in the discussion every year. we'll get back over the hump.
I think we do a fine job developing guys. I think some people expect it to be dramatic when in fact, it's incremental. Certainly some guys don't take the big steps we all hope, but i don't think that means they aren't improving. CM does tend to favor increasing playing time for guys who have experience in our system, so not many guys who are going to just pop one year.
That being said, I would concur that there are some trends that indicate CM doesn't always find the best role for some players. I doubt he's any worse in this regard than other coaches, but there have been missed opportunities for sure.
That being said, I would concur that there are some trends that indicate CM doesn't always find the best role for some players. I doubt he's any worse in this regard than other coaches, but there have been missed opportunities for sure.
Players generally improve under CM, in fact their basic hoops skills generally improve a lot. He emphasis on defending is critical and where most of the improvement occurs. Very few players in very few programs go from good to fantastic, I think that's what some posters expect.
Mo, looks like Wyatt Walker has committed to Samford. Samford for cryin' out loud!
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Does anybody know the stroy here, because it seems very strange that Wyatt would pick a #283 school over UR. If it were Stanford, that would be different...
I thought we had an offer out to Wyatt Walker. If so, did he turn us down or did we decide to pull the offer? Did Wyatt ever visit? Does anyone know who may have visited this weekend, since we have only about 3-4 days left before the spring signing period ends... Speaking of which, who may be attending the signing party on Wednesday?
I thought we had an offer out to Wyatt Walker. If so, did he turn us down or did we decide to pull the offer? Did Wyatt ever visit? Does anyone know who may have visited this weekend, since we have only about 3-4 days left before the spring signing period ends... Speaking of which, who may be attending the signing party on Wednesday?
Oldie, at one time UR had interest, but a formal offer was never made. I will be driving down from Maryland for the signing party. Should be fun! Roll Spide!
Understand that Alum Bobby Bowden put the call into Walker as well as former Samford football coach Pat Sullivan,Auburn Heisman QB.
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Ulla interesting Quote from that article "
A player like Nelson-Ododa, even if only contributing in a specialized role, is a better option than an empty spot heading into the season."
Didn't seem very complimentary or much of an improvement over his playing status at UR
A player like Nelson-Ododa, even if only contributing in a specialized role, is a better option than an empty spot heading into the season."
Didn't seem very complimentary or much of an improvement over his playing status at UR
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