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It seems Mooney's run in the transfer portal or transfers is either home run (TJ Cline and Francis) or strike out (everyone else mentioned). I think Crabtree has a chance to not be a home run, but be a good shooter off the bench and give us bench production we sorely missed this year. But the recruiting landscape is changing rapidly and if your not looking to add guys through the portal - your going to be left behind. I am not saying you need to focus on the portal - but I would expect to be successful you probably need to be getting someone from there every other year.
Ply, I know your a more recent Spider fan, you haven't been here for the full 16 year Mooney experience. I think all of this went through the phase where Mooney did something and you kind of scratched your head but you still want to hope that it was a one off or he had some master plan. But most of us who have lived the whole 16 year experience, realize that it isn't a one off, there is no master plan, it just is all he is capable of doing and he really has little initative to go out and surround himself with others who might fix or help what he lacks. So, the cycle repeats. He does enough good things to not get himself canned but not enough good things to ever lead us to anything greater than what we've already experienced.
One thing is constant with Mooney, give him enough time, he will let you down, he will make any defense of what he does come back and make you look foolish. I say this not to judge you, he's done it to us all. At some point, most people reach a tipping point where they are not gonna be disappointed by him any longer. You just will accept him for what he is and prepare for the inevitable disappointment that comes with his leadership of our program.
Players love him, they are only here for 4 years and whatever short term disappointment they have for not ever playing in the one tournament they all came to play for subsides. For fans, we are stuck with him, the disappointment is annual, ongoing, unending.
We can’t be expected to compete with programs like NJIT for transfers.
No offense but Why would we want a kid from Holy Cross? They went 5-11 this year, 3-29 in 2019 and have not had a winning season since 2013.
That’s better than Chicago State, but still not anywhere near good or acceptable for a program. NJIT seems like a pretty lateral move doesn’t it?
No cherry picking needed.
Mooney's "regular" transfers have worked out quite well -- TJ Cline in a different stratosphere, with Blake Francis being really good, and Marshall Wood being serviceable.
Mooney's immediately eligible grad transfer record is piss-poor. Abakah, Jordan Madrid-Andrews, and Noah Yates.
The fact that we haven't had any impact grad transfers in this day and age isn't good. It's now a critical piece of roster development at all levels. I'm guessing the reasoning is a vestige of his belief that it is hard to pick up his offense quickly enough to impact the team in just one offseason. But whatever the reason is, it's another example of where Mooney needs to get out of his comfort zone and adapt. There are 1200 players in the portal and growing, and so we need to be able to adapt to it.
Mooney's "regular" transfers have worked out quite well -- TJ Cline in a different stratosphere, with Blake Francis being really good, and Marshall Wood being serviceable.
Mooney's immediately eligible grad transfer record is piss-poor. Abakah, Jordan Madrid-Andrews, and Noah Yates.
The fact that we haven't had any impact grad transfers in this day and age isn't good. It's now a critical piece of roster development at all levels. I'm guessing the reasoning is a vestige of his belief that it is hard to pick up his offense quickly enough to impact the team in just one offseason. But whatever the reason is, it's another example of where Mooney needs to get out of his comfort zone and adapt. There are 1200 players in the portal and growing, and so we need to be able to adapt to it.
I totally understand this. After we lost to Duquesne this year I had Fire Mooney at the bottom of every post I made for the next couple days.
I’ve said before I’m not supporting Mooney here. To me it isn’t defending Mooney to point out the positives along with the negatives. I just strongly dislike seeing only the negatives cherrypicked. Especially because they don’t need to be! If you lay out all the positives and all the negatives, the negatives outweigh the positives....by a lot.
I think of Mooney as a walking C+. He does enough to get by and pass but he doesn’t do enough to draw the ire of everybody but still of some (parents, maybe some teachers). He’ll pull off the occasional A, but once he does that you know that means there’s a corresponding F coming.
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I threw Faw's name out there because I saw him and liked him. one year guys aren't ideal, but he could split time with Grace and let us keep Sal at the 4. but nothing out there says we showed any interest.
as for transfers, we're a great destination for a smart undergrad. and we've gotten some good ones.
our grad school has like 400 full time and 300 part time students. we're not a real grad transfer destination. do we even have daytime classes?
as for transfers, we're a great destination for a smart undergrad. and we've gotten some good ones.
our grad school has like 400 full time and 300 part time students. we're not a real grad transfer destination. do we even have daytime classes?
Understood, the problem is you have to cherry pick the positives when it comes to transfers, cause their are only two. And it's not just the bad ones that he brought in, it is the untold number of transfers he went after and failed to land that are also part of his legacy.
There were some offseasons where we would express interest in 10-15 players, all of whom would be really good pick-ups and they all would go elsewhere. And then we would get some guy, who no one wanted OR he would just leave the roster spot empty.
With Gilly coming back, we have a chance next year, if Mooney can go out and get a quality front court player to round out the roster to be decent. Hopefully, he will do that, but history says he won't. It would be nice to see Richmond is interested in some of these 1000 plus transfer in the portal. Haven't really seen that yet, outside the Mason kid.
He was about 63rd in the nation in blocks, just don't know if that was because of the schedule.
Manek would be a great fit for Tech. Another big guy who can shoot, I’m sure Mike Young has already given him a call.
Aren't you on the wrong board?
I can’t see a good 5th year big man ever transferring to UR. He knows Mooney will not coach him up or help improve his skills. Maybe some good 5’9” guys would transfer in.
Can you not talk about UR. If you have to talk VPI, Hokie, Hokie high, go to hades, VPI,
I don’t know about that. CM has had some success with skilled bigs that aren’t “athletes”. I’m certain there are guys out there who ended up P5 or elsewhere but went underutilized with more athletic bigs ahead of them.
Whether or not CM could heavily use them in one year is of course debatable. Kwesi and JMA were abject failures but is also argue they had little to work with in terms of the skill part of the prior statement.
Maryland has added Georgetown transfer big man Qudus Wahab, per source. HUGE pickup for the Terps. The 6-foot-11 Wahab averaged 12.7 points, 8.2 boards, 1.2 blocks per game this past year. Maryland looking like more and more like a Preseason Top 10 team if Wiggins comes back.
So in trying to keep up with current rules. Does Grady count against UK 13 scholarship limit?
Maybe I’m wrong, but I thought you were one of our Fatts doubters. I am too, but he seemed to do well against teams other than us.
Did you see him succeeding in the Big 10?
Ah I see! I actually think he could do well at Maryland with other quality players in the lineup with him. I think at URI he was asked to do everything on offense. Should be other guys who can create offense and Turgeon is a pretty consistently good coach. If he goes full Westbrook and tries to do everything there I think he will be benched, so him playing his role on the team could make him a dangerously efficient player.
"Shoot for the moon" - idiom - to try to do or get something that is very difficult to do or get
"Shoot for the Mooney" - Take a jump shot, disregard the offensive glass, and immediately retreat back on defense
I feel like we have had more success the last 10 seasons than Marquette, Oklahoma, UConn, and UVA...
I think it's an advantage. Preexisting relationship with the staff, has visited campus, etc. I know the in-person recruiting dead period for high school recruits is still in effect, but I don't know what transfers are allowed to do as far as contact.
That said, I don't think it necessarily outweighs the stature of some of the programs that are after him now.
That said, I don't think it necessarily outweighs the stature of some of the programs that are after him now.
Again, my thinking is we are fairly guard heavy at the moment, but no real proven scorers coming back other than Gilly. Gilly/Kolek back court might be pretty tough for next year? Wilson,Dji, Goose all show flashes, but nothing that says they can be consistent scorers and play makers so not ruling this out. But roster fit, we definitely need an athletic big to play defense.
Once again, watching that NCAA championship game just emphasized having a tough defensive mindset with the athletes to carry it out is a game changer. Especially in a conference like the A10 or MW.
Once again, watching that NCAA championship game just emphasized having a tough defensive mindset with the athletes to carry it out is a game changer. Especially in a conference like the A10 or MW.
I agree with Spider23. I don't really want to add another guard to the mix. We need length and size and frontcourt athleticism.
We are not getting Kolek. End of discussion. Put yourself in his shoes; would you rather go to Marquette, uva, OU, or UConn? Or would you rather go to a place with an embarrassingly underperforming coach whose program hasn’t made the dance in the last ten years? I think it’s a pretty simple answer. Even Davidson would be a better choice than Ur. Que the “but we always beat Davidson head to head so we’re a better program” crowd.
I'm glad not everyone thinks like you 712 or we'd never land anyone and our best players certainly wouldn't stay.
no, it's not as simple as picking the highest offer.
Kolek has some great offers. we'll see where he thinks he fits. very well might end up back at GMU with Oduro.
no, it's not as simple as picking the highest offer.
Kolek has some great offers. we'll see where he thinks he fits. very well might end up back at GMU with Oduro.
no idea if Kolek is comparable to Isaiah or Dji or Goose defensively. maybe he is. his stats are very comparable to Francis' in shooting percentages, steals and assists with an extra rebound per game. he just took fewer shots.
clearly a big is a must if Grant doesn't come back. but Kolek is a fit if Blake doesn't come back. certainly adds quality competition at off guard.
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