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Rocco mentioned in connection with UD job

A couple thoughts on this thing...

According to this study, Delaware subsidizes its athletics department by close to $26M per year and generates roughly $6.5M in real revenue. http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/

I don't have numbers handy to back this up, but i believe that our athletics budget is in the neighborhood of $27M at last check. As far as our 'non subsidized' revenue goes, i think ours looks something like this:

Football tickets: ~$1M
Football game at BCS school: $300k
Basketball tickets: ~$1.2M
A10 tourney share: $1M
A10 TV revenue share: $400k
Spider Club: ~$1.5M
Corporate Partnerships (IMG): ???
Merchandise/Concessions: ???

Please let me know if i'm off on any of my numbers. You add all this up and there's a pretty good chance that we actually generate more revenue than Delaware, a state school 10 times our size.

As it relates to our football coaching staff, including Rocco and the strength coaches, i'm guessing we pay in the neighborhood of $1.4-$1.5M. If anybody thinks i'm off, let me know.

The point i'm trying to make here is this... for this move to make any sense for any of our assistant coaches, and thus DR, it's going to require some major digging into their pocket that they are already digging deep down into with a $25M subsidy. Maybe there so desperate to right their ship that they have to. Minimally, that's some major pressure on the new coach.

Are Danny Rocco banners going to instantly sell a few thousand season tickets up there? As much as i love the guy, I really don't think so.

Is a guy like Fontel Mines going to pick up sticks and move to Delaware for less than about a $25k bump? Are any of these guys any closer to a real FBS payday in Newark than they are here? I have a hard time believing it ... but maybe these guys are desperate for job.

Just a few thoughts.
 
32counter said:
Tons of different types of manure being thrown around and against the wall from this thread.JOC is even drinking Mo's koolade after gullible
posters have fed him the online Twitter article of the Pulitzer Prize winning author from the bastion of cultural nothingness,Newark,DE.
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You're so much more helpful when you're out finding links. Go get some links.
 
JOC drinking Mo koolade with the help of others:
Try this link-

Delaware reportedly interested in UR coach Danny Rocco
Staff Writer|5 hours ago
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There's a lot to like about Danny Rocco's portfolio if you're searching for an FCS coach, as Delaware Athletic Director Christine Rawak is.

Rocco, in his fifth season as the University of Richmond's coach, led the Spiders to the FCS playoffs in 2014, 2015 and 2016, winning at least one postseason game each year. UR reached the 2015 semifinals. He was successful as Liberty's coach for six years before arriving in Richmond.

The Wilmington News Journal reported that Delaware, a CAA Football member like Richmond, is very interested in Rocco, 56. The last time UR publicly addressed Rocco's contract situation was February of 2013, when the school announced an extension that runs through 2017. Richmond Athletic Director Keith Gill during this season said that UR changed its policy and no longer publicly announces modifications of coaches' contracts.

Monday, Rocco was not interested in talking about his contract or the opening at Delaware, created when Dave Brock was dismissed on Oct.16. Assistant Dennis Dottin-Carter was named interim coach and directed the Blue Hens through the remainder of the season.

The Spiders (9-3) play at North Dakota (9-2) Saturday in the FCS tournament's second round.
 
I am pained to say this and I can't report it as fact itself, but I believe (based, however, on facts) that he is gone. My Delaware buddies/sources (big Boosters) providing info (some but not all of which I am able to confirm) and are all very giddy about their coaching situation. Also hearing that things with Danny and admin are sorta beyond repair at this point over the sort of things United mentions above and the train really went off the tracks when Danny "complained" and he not only didn't get any commitment to fix or even look at things, he got a smackdown for complaining and told basically he should be happy he had the job with such high and out of line pay.

Not sure Gill is the problem at all except that he's such a milk toast in the whole thing. But, yes, Lax and Queally and goings on to get them much more favorable treatment seem to be a part of it. This stuff is part of what I cant really confirm, but if true, what happened is sorta ugly and really Danny quite frankly should leave (meaning I absolutely would if it were me in his shoes). Again, if what I hear about this part of things is true, Queally is a real problem!!
 
PhillySpider said:
I am pained to say this and I can't report it as fact itself, but I believe (based, however, on facts) that he is gone. My Delaware buddies/sources (big Boosters) providing info (some but not all of which I am able to confirm) and are all very giddy about their coaching situation. Also hearing that things with Danny and admin are sorta beyond repair at this point over the sort of things United mentions above and the train really went off the tracks when Danny "complained" and he not only didn't get any commitment to fix or even look at things, he got a smackdown for complaining and told basically he should be happy he had the job with such high and out of line pay.

Not sure Gill is the problem at all except that he's such a milk toast in the whole thing. But, yes, Lax and Queally and goings on to get them much more favorable treatment seem to be a part of it. This stuff is part of what I cant really confirm, but if true, what happened is sorta ugly and really Danny quite frankly should leave (meaning I absolutely would if it were me in his shoes). Again, if what I hear about this part of things is true, Queally is a real problem!!
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I have no idea if this is true or not. He did leave LU for UR so it certainly could be so. I do have to think he could get a better job than UD if he wants. I hope he thinks about how they have treated their last two coaches. One a graduate. A bad year or two and he could be paying a high price. I think a FBS job is available for him if he looks just a little.
 
MooreHall73 said:
I have no idea if this is true or not. He did leave LU for UR so it certainly could be so. I do have to think he could get a better job than UD if he wants. I hope he thinks about how they have treated their last two coaches. One a graduate. A bad year or two and he could be paying a high price. I think a FBS job is available for him if he looks just a little.
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MooreHall73 said:
I hope he thinks about how they have treated their last two coaches.
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if I recall, Coach Rocco was very outspoken about the way Brock was fired in mid season...unless the administration at DE has changed he'd be working for these same folks...will be very surprised if this transpires...

Go Spiders!
 
PhillySpider said:
I am pained to say this and I can't report it as fact itself, but I believe (based, however, on facts) that he is gone. My Delaware buddies/sources (big Boosters) providing info (some but not all of which I am able to confirm) and are all very giddy about their coaching situation. Also hearing that things with Danny and admin are sorta beyond repair at this point over the sort of things United mentions above and the train really went off the tracks when Danny "complained" and he not only didn't get any commitment to fix or even look at things, he got a smackdown for complaining and told basically he should be happy he had the job with such high and out of line pay.

Not sure Gill is the problem at all except that he's such a milk toast in the whole thing. But, yes, Lax and Queally and goings on to get them much more favorable treatment seem to be a part of it. This stuff is part of what I cant really confirm, but if true, what happened is sorta ugly and really Danny quite frankly should leave (meaning I absolutely would if it were me in his shoes). Again, if what I hear about this part of things is true, Queally is a real problem!!
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If this comes to be, I will burn my Richmond gear on the Robins Center steps and not set foot on the campus again. I know my few thousand dollars means nothing in the grand scheme of things but I thought my loyalty did. We laugh but FRS is right when he states that the school is not what it used to be.
 
whampas said:
If this comes to be, I will burn my Richmond gear on the Robins Center steps and not set foot on the campus again. I know my few thousand dollars means nothing in the grand scheme of things but I thought my loyalty did. We laugh but FRS is right when he states that the school is not what it used to be.
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Yes. It's not going to be pretty. I can't turn my back on the student athletes but, at a minimum, i'll be parking in X Lot next year rather than B5.
 
I don't know if this is going to happen, but there sure is a lot of smoke. I am not comfortable with my UD taking DR from from my Spider fans, but if he is unhappy and needs to move, most of us in the First State will be happy to have him. And, btw, Newark, DE is a fine place to live.
UD is in a different place then we had been. A new president that values athletics, a new dynamic AD that is making bold decisions, and it feels like a fresh breeze is blowing. Indications of upping salaries, including assistants, is further indication.
Two of our last three AD's were either incompetent or destructive. You may be in the same place with Gill. I took some heat at a UR tailgate for suggesting that a non-football AD from American was not a good thing, but....
Best of luck vs. ND. Beat them, please.
 
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I don't know if this is going to happen, but there sure is a lot of smoke. I am not comfortable with my UD taking DR from from my Spider fans, but if he is unhappy and needs to move, most of us in the First State will be happy to have him. And, btw, Newark, DE is a fine place to live.
UD is in a different place then we had been. A new president that values athletics, a new dynamic AD that is making bold decisions, and it feels like a fresh breeze is blowing. Indications of upping salaries, including assistants, is further indication.
Two of our last three AD's were either incompetent or destructive. You may be in the same place with Gill. I took some heat at a UR tailgate for suggesting that a non-football AD from American was not a good thing, but....
Best of luck vs. ND. Beat them, please.
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How do I get on a UD message board?
 
United_In_Red said:
So you think all of this is BS and DR is happy at UR with no plans of going anywhere or looking at other options? Just all purely made up, huh?
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What do you have to show to the contrary? "Sources say?" Actually, "all of this" < nothing. "All of this" does not even rise to the level of bs and there is not a single fact or statement by a person in authority or who might be otherwise knowledgeable about the facts who has mentioned one single word regarding DR's satisfaction at or dissatisfaction with UR. "All of this" is pure speculation without a single fact or statement of any significance to support that DR would even consider Delaware.

Of course, Delaware would be interested in DR. So would many others. But that is nothing new. Or, at least, it shouldn't be. Delaware would be crazy not to have DR on their wish list. But so what? That is not news to anyone who can tell the difference between a football and a basketball.

And enough with all this Lacrosse crap. Get over it. Track and men's soccer are gone. Kaput. Lacrosse is much more popular and better fits our footprint. The transition could have been handled better, but it was not...and that is now history. H I S T O R Y. So move on. Quit badmouthing Quealy, like him or not, he is a major influence with respect to UR sports. I, personally, like the man.

And stop the absurdity in stating that lacrosse is the second most popular sport at UR. It is not and it never will be. Football is co-equal with basketball, despite the number of active fans. The difference lies solely in our ability to remain in a league granting us full competition with the big boys for the National Championship (an illusion held to fervently by our fanbase). It was solely a matter of mercy by the powers that be that we remain in their league...solely a matter of money and power that FBS football was taken from us. And, accept it or not, there are simply more basketball fans than football fans because our basketball fans are more delusional (myself included, at times) and believe us capable of vying for a National Championship in the same league as the big boys. But in truth, we haven't a prayer... not even so much as a prayer for those who do not even believe in prayer. Yet, football is different. We reasonably expect to vie for a National Championship in football.

And JOC's article says nothing that anyone who can read would not already know. All that JOC reported is what has been said on this board over and over. It has also been repeated on the AGS board for a few days now. It is not news to anyone who reads this board or the AGS board. Yet it set off a new round of discussion like it was a revelation. JOC's article merely demonstrates his willingness to carry on the tradition of media provocation, innuendo, and prostitution in order to fill the space required by his job. Nothing more. Not knocking him, necessarily, for doing his job, but that was all he was doing and for those of us who read this thread it should have been meaningless except insofar as it continued to promulgate a baseless rumor, which is annoying to me.

So before you go challenging my skepticism about the validity of your conclusions based on unfounded rumors and innuendo, which is all you have, how about pointing out the facts or responsible statements which support the premise of your rhetorical question? Otherwise, your question becomes one of a strawman, substituting distorted, exaggerated or misrepresented suggestions for any concrete evidence or any supported version of the truth.
 
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Losing DR is one thing, but losing him to a conference opponent is just flat unacceptable and will be accompanied by a pretty swift backlash in terms of ill will and donations. We have the resources to support the football program. Admin, please make it happen. It is a good investment.
 
In most situations, there are people closely connected with the issues at hand who know more than they can divulge – or more than they can divulge on the record. Perhaps that is the case here, or perhaps not. I'm not ruling out the rumors just because no one has gone on the record to confirm or deny them – no one is going to do that anyway.

Delaware can't come out and say, "Yes, it's true – we want to hire Danny Rocco and we already have, and oops, he actually is still employed by one of our conference mates." Likewise, they're not going to say "We have no interest at all in Danny Rocco." So we just have to wait and see.
 
Eight Legger said:
In most situations, there are people closely connected with the issues at hand who know more than they can divulge – or more than they can divulge on the record. Perhaps that is the case here, or perhaps not. I'm not ruling out the rumors just because no one has gone on the record to confirm or deny them – no one is going to do that anyway.

Delaware can't come out and say, "Yes, it's true – we want to hire Danny Rocco and we already have, and oops, he actually is still employed by one of our conference mates." Likewise, they're not going to say "We have no interest at all in Danny Rocco." So we just have to wait and see.
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What's your take on Richmond not publicly denying the rumors? Do you think our players are aware? Recruits? I think we're screwed.
 
urmite said:
You might start here...
http://www.gohens.net/boards/viewforum.php?f=15&sid=fe0d2c85aed7a45a471474a1ef30e72c

"Why can’t I register?
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There is nowhere on that site that allows you to register. Where is it?
 
iSpider said:
What do you have to show to the contrary? "Sources say?" Actually, "all of this" < nothing. "All of this" does not even rise to the level of bs and there is not a single fact or statement by a person in authority or who might be otherwise knowledgeable about the facts who has mentioned one single word regarding DR's satisfaction at or dissatisfaction with UR. "All of this" is pure speculation without a single fact or statement of any significance to support that DR would even consider Delaware.

Of course, Delaware would be interested in DR. So would many others. But that is nothing new. Or, at least, it shouldn't be. Delaware would be crazy not to have DR on their wish list. But so what? That is not news to anyone who can tell the difference between a football and a basketball.

And enough with all this Lacrosse crap. Get over it. Track and men's soccer are gone. Kaput. Lacrosse is much more popular and better fits our footprint. The transition could have been handled better, but it was not...and that is now history. H I S T O R Y. So move on. Quit badmouthing Quealy, like him or not, he is a major influence with respect to UR sports. I, personally, like the man.

And stop the absurdity in stating that lacrosse is the second most popular sport at UR. It is not and it never will be. Football is co-equal with basketball, despite the number of active fans. The difference lies solely in our ability to remain in a league granting us full competition with the big boys for the National Championship (an illusion held to fervently by our fanbase). It was solely a matter of mercy by the powers that be that we remain in their league...solely a matter of money and power that FBS football was taken from us. And, accept it or not, there are simply more basketball fans than football fans because our basketball fans are more delusional (myself included, at times) and believe us capable of vying for a National Championship in the same league as the big boys. But in truth, we haven't a prayer... not even so much as a prayer for those who do not even believe in prayer. Yet, football is different. We reasonably expect to vie for a National Championship in football.

And JOC's article says nothing that anyone who can read would not already know. All that JOC reported is what has been said on this board over and over. It has also been repeated on the AGS board for a few days now. It is not news to anyone who reads this board or the AGS board. Yet it set off a new round of discussion like it was a revelation. JOC's article merely demonstrates his willingness to carry on the tradition of media provocation, innuendo, and prostitution in order to fill the space required by his job. Nothing more. Not knocking him, necessarily, for doing his job, but that was all he was doing and for those of us who read this thread it should have been meaningless except insofar as it continued to promulgate a baseless rumor, which is annoying to me.

So before you go challenging my skepticism about the validity of your conclusions based on unfounded rumors and innuendo, which is all you have, how about pointing out the facts or responsible statements which support the premise of your rhetorical question? Otherwise, your question becomes one of a strawman, substituting distorted, exaggerated or misrepresented suggestions for any concrete evidence or any supported version of the truth.
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i - an outstanding post. DR may or may not leave but your comments are right on the money.
 
EL good points. I don't have verification either way, but it seems to me if DR was interested in leaving for money then UD is a strange choice. I cannot believe they could pay much more than we do. More importantly, he's been in the industry long enough that there would be FBS schools interested also. Certainly they could pay more than UR or UD. Why wouldn't he just put out feelers for a FBS position, those positions will open up in the next several weeks.
 
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What's your take on Richmond not publicly denying the rumors? Do you think our players are aware? Recruits? I think we're screwed.
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Richmond doesn't have to say anything. I don't know if anyone has asked Rocco or Gill straight out – if so, I'd be interested to hear their answers, but I suspect it would be something along the lines of "We don't discuss that" or "We're not concerned with rumors – we have a game to prepare for." And really, what else would they say?

The players surely are aware.
 
iSpider said:
What do you have to show to the contrary? "Sources say?" Actually, "all of this" < nothing. "All of this" does not even rise to the level of bs and there is not a single fact or statement by a person in authority or who might be otherwise knowledgeable about the facts who has mentioned one single word regarding DR's satisfaction at or dissatisfaction with UR. "All of this" is pure speculation without a single fact or statement of any significance to support that DR would even consider Delaware.

Of course, Delaware would be interested in DR. So would many others. But that is nothing new. Or, at least, it shouldn't be. Delaware would be crazy not to have DR on their wish list. But so what? That is not news to anyone who can tell the difference between a football and a basketball.

And enough with all this Lacrosse crap. Get over it. Track and men's soccer are gone. Kaput. Lacrosse is much more popular and better fits our footprint. The transition could have been handled better, but it was not...and that is now history. H I S T O R Y. So move on. Quit badmouthing Quealy, like him or not, he is a major influence with respect to UR sports. I, personally, like the man.

And stop the absurdity in stating that lacrosse is the second most popular sport at UR. It is not and it never will be. Football is co-equal with basketball, despite the number of active fans. The difference lies solely in our ability to remain in a league granting us full competition with the big boys for the National Championship (an illusion held to fervently by our fanbase). It was solely a matter of mercy by the powers that be that we remain in their league...solely a matter of money and power that FBS football was taken from us. And, accept it or not, there are simply more basketball fans than football fans because our basketball fans are more delusional (myself included, at times) and believe us capable of vying for a National Championship in the same league as the big boys. But in truth, we haven't a prayer... not even so much as a prayer for those who do not even believe in prayer. Yet, football is different. We reasonably expect to vie for a National Championship in football.

And JOC's article says nothing that anyone who can read would not already know. All that JOC reported is what has been said on this board over and over. It has also been repeated on the AGS board for a few days now. It is not news to anyone who reads this board or the AGS board. Yet it set off a new round of discussion like it was a revelation. JOC's article merely demonstrates his willingness to carry on the tradition of media provocation, innuendo, and prostitution in order to fill the space required by his job. Nothing more. Not knocking him, necessarily, for doing his job, but that was all he was doing and for those of us who read this thread it should have been meaningless except insofar as it continued to promulgate a baseless rumor, which is annoying to me.

So before you go challenging my skepticism about the validity of your conclusions based on unfounded rumors and innuendo, which is all you have, how about pointing out the facts or responsible statements which support the premise of your rhetorical question? Otherwise, your question becomes one of a strawman, substituting distorted, exaggerated or misrepresented suggestions for any concrete evidence or any supported version of the truth.
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iSpider

You are starting to frighten me again.Your wisdom is beyond your years.
Some on this board don't like Queally because he bought(not brought) LAX to UR,some don't like Gill because they see his apparent passivity a sign of weakness or impotency.Some have been feeding JOC a mixture of email gruel for days.In a Macavallian way
to embarrass both Queally and Gill,Mo and his poster cronies are
attempting to bring us a forum to embarrass the RC brass.All nonsense.
 
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I will be awaiting your apology when this is over. I doubt I'll get it but I'll be waiting.
 
With these things, where there's smoke, there's at least a small fire smoldering. IF the actions (or inaction) of our administration is putting a great coach of one of our premier sports in a position where he's willing to consider an offer from a conference mate who has a program in a worse competitive position than he's built here, we've got the wrong people in charge.

Just look at the depth and quality of what Danny has built since the poo-poo platter of London, Scott and the lost year under Lineburg. If we lose him, we're shooting ourselves in the foot.

My small change probably doesn't matter to the school in the grand scheme of things, but that amount will be even smaller and I'd imagine a whole lot of people would feel the same way.
 
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Guys, there are too many attacks in this thread. It needs to stop. This is an emotional issue so I am not going to call out names, ban, or take other action at this time. But back off one another. You are all smart enough to state your position without attacking anouther
 
can anyone imagine that a member of our admin, whether athletic or just UR, telling DR that he is whining and complaining too much? just do not see it, don't believe it. am sure that most coaches give their ADs a list of things, a wish list, they want. at power 5 schools, they get the list taken care of but at our level, they might get one or two, maybe none and that is the way it works. heck, don't know squat but do realize that we have a pretty solid coach and he may get some offers and he may depart but personally, think he will be back.
 
Would it be too painful for Gill to publicly state, "The University of Richmond is grateful and most appreciative of Coach Rocco's successes, both on the field and off. It is my intent to do all possible to secure his presence at UR for many years. He epitomizes all that the university stands for, both in athletics and personal character." Please say something as the AD and stop hiding behind what is espoused as policy. Time for Gill to act like an AD and not a puppet. If this happens, I will be parking next to Mo.
 
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Would it be too painful for Gill to publicly state, "The University of Richmond is grateful and most appreciative of Coach Rocco's successes, both on the field and off. It is my intent to do all possible to secure his presence at UR for many years. He epitomizes all that the university stands for, both in athletics and personal character." Please say something as the AD and stop hiding behind what is espoused as policy. Time for Gill to act like an AD and not a puppet. If this happens, I will be parking next to Mo.
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Email him with that message. It can't hurt.
 
I really don't think these threads are a distraction to the team. They are a distraction from our jobs.
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If Danny goes to UD,I will personally deliver 2 cases of Delaware's finest
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I don't know if Danny Rocco drinks beer, but if you deliver a case of DE's finest brew along with a selection of the Richmond area's finest to his office that might convince him to stay.
 
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I really don't think these threads are a distraction to the team. They are a distraction from our jobs.

I don't know if Danny Rocco drinks beer, but if you deliver a case of DE's finest brew along with a selection of the Richmond area's finest to his office that might convince him to stay.
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Agreed on both. I'm moving onto ND for the next few days. It's Wednesday and we have a big game Saturday. Let's go.
 
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Administration is asleep at the wheel!!!! The decision to not be public with it just shows that they don't understand that going public with it is the whole idea. Unbelievable! this is a very bad look for our future.
 
I don't know Danny Rocco - I've only met him a few times and just once "in the wild."
But the whole "why would someone go from a contender to a pretender" argument holds no water.

Some coaches like the "program building project" - take a struggling team and build them into a perennial contender for their conference or even a national title - that's their thing.
Rocco may be one of those. Liberty was a mess when he got there and he had them winning or in the mix for the Big South every year. Liberty was in a better spot than Richmond when he came here - yes, the CAA is a step up and he might've had some "inside info" on potential transfers from the ACC - but we went 0-8 in the CAA in 2011 and were co-champions the very next year. He may see another opportunity to rebuild a historic program in Delaware with an AD who is gung ho about it.
Clawson's shtick was that he was building a national champion here - he sure did, and immediately left thinking he was going to be able to build "his" program at Tennessee. Now he's built a MAC champion at Bowling Green and then immediately left for Wake, his next "project."

Sure, to move within conference without a stop in-between is unusual.

The point is, coaches move on for a variety of reasons. But the vast majority of them do move on.
Laycock is the exception, not the rule.
 
Big picture, Liberty wasn't in a better spot than UR. Yes, their record was better and his teams were even getting ranked, but he was hamstrung by being in the Big South and had hit the ceiling. Won or shared the conference title four years in a row, but still couldn't get a bid to the playoffs.
 
32counter said:
If Danny goes to UD,I will personally deliver 2 cases of Delaware's finest
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Can I get in on this bet as well? In the next couple weeks one of us will be right and one will be wrong. I look forward to an apology from you while I mourn the reason for it.
 
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