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Rocco mentioned in connection with UD job

Interesting post on UND board.

The silver lining in all of this was @GreenWing and I heckled Richmond's coach Rocco so bad before the game that he ran right over to us after the win to talk some !@#$. We got under his skin about the Delaware job and he didn't forget us.
 
whampas said:
Interesting post on UND board.

The silver lining in all of this was @GreenWing and I heckled Richmond's coach Rocco so bad before the game that he ran right over to us after the win to talk some !@#$. We got under his skin about the Delaware job and he didn't forget us.
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I wouldn't expect it to bother coach Rocco to that extent had he already accepted a job offer from Deleware. Maybe it means he's not going after all. Who the heck knows. Let's just keep winning!
 
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An inconvenient truth for some.....
.Football is the only major sport that is currently enjoying national relevancy at the university at this time. They are also positioned to be for there for several years with the talent they currently have on the team

From what I can see , Basketball doesn't look to be there yet And at least a year away And unfortunately Sometimes a year away becomes more

So if I'm the AD , it's football that gives him the luxury of buying time for other sports. For an AD In the end it's all about more wins than loses, relevancy and championships in the major sports or their value goes down and its time to go.
I'd say Leverage goes to football and Danny and his staff
 
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Here you go. No decision in chicken town, more like no announcement. Most think offer was made and accepted two weeks ago.


by Baltimore Hen on Sun Dec 04, 2016 6:08 pm

BlueHenBobby wrote:So I saw bickering about the results from yesterdays playoffs- Richmond's credibility, SHSU is in trouble, etc. Where do you think yesterday's results leave us? Any impact on who the selection for coach will be or does yesterday change just the timing of any announcement? Do you think Delaware may be getting played by candidates? I still don't get the concept of "poaching" a coach from another CAA team or the hire of another FCS coach. I'm not against any candidate for that reason, just don't get the motivation on both the candidate or UD's part unless UD is "promising" to move up. You guys are a lot more tuned in- I welcome your thoughts.

I do not get all the knee Herkimer panic with every minute happening. If Rocco is the guy, why on earth would winning change UD'S decision for coach? What don't you get about taking a conference foes coach? Are we supposed to just play nice? Come on. It is about winning, and if you can screw a conference foe in the process, then so be it.
 
Floridaspiderfan said:
An inconvenient truth for some.....
.Football is the only major sport that is currently enjoying national relevancy at the university at this time. They are also positioned to be for there for several years with the talent they currently have on the team

From what I can see , Basketball doesn't look to be there yet And at least a year away And unfortunately Sometimes a year away becomes more

So if I'm the AD , it's football that gives him the luxury of buying time for other sports. For an AD In the end it's all about more wins than loses, relevancy and championships in the major sports or their value goes down and its time to go.
I'd say Leverage goes to football and Danny and his staff
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Danny should have all the leverage right now. I mean what more could he do and deliver for us, both on and off the field.

I'm not sure what leverage the admin has, if they don't give him enough of what he wants, he knows he can walk and probably make more at UD, his staff will make more at UD, and he will have more resources to implement his vision at UD.
 
I would be concerned that the admin would actually react poorly to being leveraged. That is, their reaction would be - - we can't let him leverage us, so all the more reason NOT to give him what he wants.

I think we may very much underestimate the animosity levels at this point. Think about what Rocco said and the fact he said it. You have to be pretty pissed to do that. And, even mentioning it potentially hurts your own recruiting. If you really thought you might be here I don't see how you say it. And from the Admin. side - - - are they really going to let him so openly win a battle with them after calling them out so publicly? Can't see that either.

I think both sides know its all over between DAnny and UR, except the season isn't itself over. And no doubt Danny wants to win the whole thing. Great for the kids I believe he does love. Great for his resume for the job after UD. Great for really rubbing it in the noses of of the Admin. you have such a deep negative feeling about.
 
PhillySpider said:
I would be concerned that the admin would actually react poorly to being leveraged. That is, their reaction would be - - we can't let him leverage us, so all the more reason NOT to give him what he wants.

I think we may very much underestimate the animosity levels at this point. Think about what Rocco said and the fact he said it. You have to be pretty pissed to do that. And, even mentioning it potentially hurts your own recruiting. If you really thought you might be here I don't see how you say it. And from the Admin. side - - - are they really going to let him so openly win a battle with them after calling them out so publicly? Can't see that either.

I think both sides know its all over between DAnny and UR, except the season isn't itself over. And no doubt Danny wants to win the whole thing. Great for the kids I believe he does love. Great for his resume for the job after UD. Great for really rubbing it in the noses of of the Admin. you have such a deep negative feeling about.
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I pretty much agree with all of this. Businesses don't ever want to be leveraged, privately OR publicly. Seems to me that DR took the nuclear approach, and it's all just a waiting game at this point. He probably is really happy even for having contributed to KJ losing his redshirt year.

Truthfully, it's really bad that the animosity has grown to that degree. Whatever business you are running, you cannot let your employees get that angry with you, especially those who have access to a microphone! Sure, a pissed off employee has a circle he can talk with, but if that person is an assistant coach, or a trainer, or a ticket taker, they will have a much smaller circle. But, the head coach, going into the playoffs? Whoops. It's a balance of power, and somehow UR managed to make DR feel like he had no other option. Not a good thing at all.

Seems to me that if the comment regarding Gill being an absentee AD are true (i.e., living in DC and working remotely), we are seeing the fruits of those labors (or lack thereof). What a disaster.
 
PhillySpider said:
I would be concerned that the admin would actually react poorly to being leveraged. That is, their reaction would be - - we can't let him leverage us, so all the more reason NOT to give him what he wants.
I think we may very much underestimate the animosity levels at this point. Think about what Rocco said and the fact he said it. You have to be pretty pissed to do that. And, even mentioning it potentially hurts your own recruiting. If you really thought you might be here I don't see how you say it. And from the Admin. side - - - are they really going to let him so openly win a battle with them after calling them out so publicly? Can't see that either.
I think both sides know its all over between DAnny and UR, except the season isn't itself over. And no doubt Danny wants to win the whole thing. Great for the kids I believe he does love. Great for his resume for the job after UD. Great for really rubbing it in the noses of of the Admin. you have such a deep negative feeling about.
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I don't have any evidence to contradict what you say and I would hope that what you or anyone who might suggest something similar would base their suggestion on some logical basis or on evidence, whether it be statements themselves or the inflections in those statements, from those who should know the inside story of what is going on. My doubts about the accuracy of your assertions and conclusions are based entirely upon the character of DR that I have observed over the past 5 years and I do not think that any analogy as to how things work in the business world are persuasive of the alleged actions/reactions/conduct of DR which you allege.

I find the scenario as you and a few others have described it hard to believe. I continue not to believe it, but even more, I hesitate to think what is says about DR should it prove to be true. Keeping in mind that I do not accept your assertions or conclusions, should they prove to be true, such actions by a coach are not those of a coach who I would want to retain. Basically, the picture you paint is that of a whiny malcontent who takes advantage of a situation that presents itself for obtaining further support for his goals for his program (leverage, you call it) by not only moving on to rival conference school but also takes pleasure in gloating or punishing a university whose administration, other than with the exception of a few speculative events, has enabled him to grow a program to one of the top ten in the country as well as have taken rewarded him handsomely in the area of personal income.

Sorry, but I just do not believe that Coach Rocco would conduct himself in such a manner.
 
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iSpider said:
I don't have any evidence to contradict what you say and I would hope that what you or anyone who might suggest something similar would base their suggestion on some logical basis or on evidence, whether it be statements themselves or the inflections in those statements, from those who should know the inside story of what is going on. My doubts about the accuracy of your assertions and conclusions are based entirely upon the character of DR that I have observed over the past 5 years and I do not think that any analogy as to how things work in the business world are persuasive of the alleged actions/reactions/conduct of DR which you allege.

I find the scenario as you and a few others have described it hard to believe. I continue not to believe it, but even more, I hesitate to think what is says about DR should it prove to be true. Keeping in mind that I do not accept your assertions or conclusions, should they prove to be true, such actions by a coach are not those of a coach who I would want to retain. Basically, the picture you paint is that of a whiny malcontent who takes advantage of a situation that presents itself for obtaining further support for his goals for his program (leverage, you call it) by not only moving on to rival conference school but also takes pleasure in gloating or punishing a university whose administration, other than with the exception of a few speculative events, has enabled him to grow a program to one of the top ten in the country as well as have taken rewarded him handsomely in the area of personal income.

Sorry, but I just do not believe that Coach Rocco would conduct himself in such a manner.
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Nobody here knows how long this conversation between, DR and the school, has been going on we don't know who did or said what. Rocco, to me has always been a straight shooter, direct but straight as an arrow. The school not so much. I'm not closing and locking the door but right now if he goes to Delaware I'm in the same place I was when I first read about it....I'm done. Expend too much money, time and emotion on some place this screwed up.
 
I-M-UR said:
Nobody here knows how long this conversation between, DR and the school, has been going on we don't know who did or said what. Rocco, to me has always been a straight shooter, direct but straight as an arrow. The school not so much. I'm not closing and locking the door but right now if he goes to Delaware I'm in the same place I was when I first read about it....I'm done. Expend too much money, time and emotion on some place this screwed up.
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You are not alone. My wife is a UVA grad and has been an honorary Spider for many years, can tell you the name of every player on starting 22 for Richmond. If this thing goes down for the reasons expressed, it will be time for me to pay that loyalty back with weekly trips to the hook. Plus, I love their basketball coach.
 
IMHO, Coach Rocco might have been using an interview with any school, including Delaware, in a game of chicken with the administration. However, when it was reported in DE, he felt compelled to make a statement. He did and he was honest. However, I do not think the President of the school is mature enough to say "I understand, lets work this out." I think he is stupid enough to say "I will not dictated to by a FOOTBALL COACH. FOOTBALL DOES NOT DETERMINE POLICY AROUND HERE. I WILL NOT BE DICTATED TO BY A COACH. Go ahead and leave." Lines in the sand are stupid and immature.
 
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I really think it's not the president it's the. AD!!!
Crutcher follows protocol and depends on his AD to handle these things and would leave it in his hands unless it got out of control. (perhaps it looks like we are there)

I've read a lot of posts here and frankly everyone seems to skip the AD and go after the president or big name donors. Guys it's Was Gill all the time and think Danny tried to go over gill as a last ditch Attempt!
Rocco is an old school football coach and classy guy. I think if he already decided he was leaving he would not have said a word until season was over. Just saying.....
 
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what we may have here is that delaware made an offer to the agent and DR said he could live with that, not i am accepting that, only that it was good enough. if he has said yes to them, he will honor that no matter what we do now for him and the program. if he has only said it was good enough, then we may still retain him. it may be over either way on sunday or it may go on for another week, my choice.
 
I hear what your saying but my issue is with the AD. He goes unscathed here!
It's clear his first three priorities are basketball, basketball and basketball.
Odds are DR is gone and he WILL take most if not all of the coaches
Which leaves me with this disturbing thought
Gill will pick the next football coach!!! Ya think maybe he will pick a flunky who won't press the AD on budgets and improvements. Bottom line here is that the most succesful sport On campus stays lower on the totem pole and kids get screwed ...nice job AD.
 
Floridaspiderfan said:
I hear what your saying but my issue is with the AD. He goes unscathed here!
It's clear his first three priorities are basketball, basketball and basketball.
Odds are DR is gone and he WILL take most if not all of the coaches
Which leaves me with this disturbing thought
Gill will pick the next football coach!!! Ya think maybe he will pick a flunky who won't press the AD on budgets and improvements. Bottom line here is that the most succesful sport On campus stays lower on the totem pole and kids get screwed ...nice job AD.
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If his first, second and third priorities are basketball, he should have been fired two years ago.
 
Here are some other people mentioned in article:

"Others believed to be candidates for the Delaware job are Chattanooga coach Russ Huesman, whose season did end Saturday with an FCS playoff loss; Coastal Carolina coach Joe Moglia; Tennessee defensive coordinator Bob Shoop, the former head coach at Columbia; Ex-Lehigh, Elon and Ball State coach Pete Lembo, now assistant head coach/special teams coordinator at Maryland; Mike London, who coached Richmond to the 2008 FCS title, then was Virginia’s coach and now is Maryland’s associate head coach/defensive line coach; and Sam Houston State offensive coordinator Phil Longo, La Salle head coach in 2004-05.

Brian Smith’s name also popped up recently. The Concord High graduate, a defensive back on Massachusetts’ 1998 national-title team, is Michigan’s secondary coach after previous stints at UMass and with the New York Jets and Philadelphia Eagles.

Former Glasgow High and Delaware standout Paul Williams turned up Monday in a mention on coachingsearch.com. Now Illinois’ secondary coach, Williams is in his 21st year as a position coach, including a 1999-2004 stint at Delaware. However, Williams has not been contacted by Delaware, he said Monday while on a recruiting trip in Florida."
 
The more I think about this the more sick I get. Can you imagine how bad it will look to other coaches we are trying to hire. Candidate: ‘So I’m going to look at a job where the school lost its’ head coach to a team in their own conference? (and a coordinator last year) How bad is it there?’
 
I believe DR will be on Spider Sportsline this morning.

I will be at work and won't be able to listen.

Anybody planning on listening live? Please provide any relevant updates.
 
first of all, most of us have no idea what is going on behind the scenes but it is bad enough that DR is making statements and that is not good policy. if we do lose him and he goes to another fcs school in our conf, completely and utterly embarrassing for all of us. if that happens, then someone needs to take responsibility, the AD, the prez, the board and pay the price, fall on the sword. however, if the school says that they are not willing to make the changes necessary to keep us competitive in our conf, everyone is doing their jobs and all is OK, we just need to move to the ODAC. will say, if you have ever attended a randolph macon or sydney saturday afternoon football game, heck of a lot of fun.
 
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first of all, most of us have no idea what is going on behind the scenes but it is bad enough that DR is making statements and that is not good policy. if we do lose him and he goes to another fcs school in our conf, completely and utterly embarrassing for all of us. if that happens, then someone needs to take responsibility, the AD, the prez, the board and pay the price, fall on the sword. however, if the school says that they are not willing to make the changes necessary to keep us competitive in our conf, everyone is doing their jobs and all is OK, we just need to move to the ODAC. will say, if you have ever attended a randolph macon or sydney saturday afternoon football game, heck of a lot of fun.
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Never, I'm totally done if we take that route. And I expect my portion of the football endowment returned, with interest.
 
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The more we keep on winning the more I am
sickened by all of this. If he leaves for a rival in the same conference after being as successful as he has here, there is something definitely wrong with the school and I lay the blame at the feet of the admin and athletic dept. They should be punished for allowing one of the most successful coaches we have ever had to leave for a lesser program!!! WTF.

I for one applaud Rocco for being straightforward and honest about all this and not brushing it under the rug. He wants to be the best and have the resources to do it year in and year out. If it's true the admin and athletic dept don't share that 'vision' it says all we need to know about how important football is at Richmond.
 
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correct and if we are not going to be competitive any longer then both basketball and football needs to go ODAC. would much rather go to a game with sydney than to be pounded every week in a conf where we have no commit to do it. heck, we have committed to the A-10 in basketball and we are not where we want to be so think if we did not give the commit, like football, it will get ugly and very quickly. not just talking facilities but our recruiting will be killed if DR goes blue. what kind of coach would want our job, sure we can find one but he will have to be bad to average to want the job.
 
so you guys would rather remain in the caa, if the school does not have the vision to compete at the level we, as fans, wish to, as we are now? you don't get what i am saying evidently. love where we are but if the board, prez, decides to just be average, not compete for championships then we need to go where we can, assuming that they would want to win championships at any level. one has to really think about where we are in this deal, we are at a crossroads and depending on what happens over the next few weeks, we should reconsider what our priorities are, well other than equity and diversity, and get our sports aligned with that vision.
 
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