I dont know, a million bucks a year with zero expectations of winning (and no accountability for not winning) sounds like a pretty good gig to me if you can get it.
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Easy Spider B - its not ZERO expectations. They do expect you to COMPETE. So you do have to show up for games and put a team on the floor, but other than that - good to go.
Coach will make a good TV announcer when he wants to quit coaching
I would also be ok with keeping him in charge of finding undersized point guards.
How about Todd Golden from San Francisco. Maybe he secretly sent Hovde out here to scout out the Richmond area and administration, knowing Mooney might be on the way out, and this would be a good place to come following SF. 1 million in Richmond, VA goes a lot further than 1 million in San Francisco. No idea what he gets paid out there, but he has done a very good job with SF.
Golden would be nice, and what the hell, we've already had a Golden in our program for a decade or so anyway, what's one more? But he's a West Coast guy, played at St. Mary's. Might have actually been on that team that beat us in the NCAAs, though he was probably gone a year or two earlier.
Lol, who do you think designed those plays.? Our success at inbounds plays went away once TJ graduated.If Coach Lieberman is our future, I hope she hires Mooney as an assistant to design the inbound plays.
I honestly could give two craps as to who our next coach is. I just want new blood and to give someone an opportunity to take our program in a different direction. Sure that person might not succeed, but we already know Mooney can't.
And here is the thing, all of these Mooney defenders will say nothing if we part ways with Mooney and will just as easily glum on to the next head coach we have because one thing I know for sure is that we are going to hire some of high character who fits with our university's profile. Again, that is a job prerequisite, not something that is overly special about Chris Mooney. I never understood, the Mooney is such a great representative of UR angle they take. That is a job prerequisite. Literally, nearly every D1 coach is a good representative of their university and the only ones who aren't great at this, win at such a high level, that everyone just looks the other way.
And here is the thing, all of these Mooney defenders will say nothing if we part ways with Mooney and will just as easily glum on to the next head coach we have because one thing I know for sure is that we are going to hire some of high character who fits with our university's profile. Again, that is a job prerequisite, not something that is overly special about Chris Mooney. I never understood, the Mooney is such a great representative of UR angle they take. That is a job prerequisite. Literally, nearly every D1 coach is a good representative of their university and the only ones who aren't great at this, win at such a high level, that everyone just looks the other way.
The only time you talk about a coach being a "good person" or "good representative of the school" is when they have not won enough and your looking for reasons not to fire them. I agree - this is a given, or prerequisite of the job - but it only seems to come up when your not winning enough. Take for example JW - a coach most people on this board despise (I am publicly not one of them, he made mistakes - but I think he was trying to take this program in a direction that the administration did not want to go) - but I know one thing is for sure with JW - when we made the NCAA tourney in 2004, beat Kansas and got at large bid - no one hated him them. It was all about winning then. Then when we didn't win, or recruits didn't get admitted, or got into off the court trouble - then it became about him not being a good fit or "good representative". But when you win - no one mentions those things.
Same with Mooney and the back to back NCAA appearances. We were not talking about how great a guy he was then - he were talking about how this was the beginning of consistent NCAA appearances, uptick in recruiting, etc. Then we started losing, not making the tourney - and we (administration and Mooney supporters) began saying - but he is such a good representative. I remember the first few years with Mooney, people actually didn't like his sideline manner - he would curse a lot, yell at players, almost embarrass them on the sidelines in games. But when we made the NCAA tourney - no one mentioned that at all. And to his credit - he calmed it down as well.
Same with Mooney and the back to back NCAA appearances. We were not talking about how great a guy he was then - he were talking about how this was the beginning of consistent NCAA appearances, uptick in recruiting, etc. Then we started losing, not making the tourney - and we (administration and Mooney supporters) began saying - but he is such a good representative. I remember the first few years with Mooney, people actually didn't like his sideline manner - he would curse a lot, yell at players, almost embarrass them on the sidelines in games. But when we made the NCAA tourney - no one mentioned that at all. And to his credit - he calmed it down as well.
I cetainly didn't hate JW. I even enjoyed his interviews when he was winning. he won with JB's players and left the program in a much worse situation than what he inherited. I don't think that's even in question. he took a strong JB roster and went 50-41 in 3 years, ending at 14-15.
Yeah - but JB did the same. He took a team full of Dooley recruits and did the same thing. Then JW took over with JB recruits and won as well. I am not sure who JB added that first year - but in 2004, JW had a core of JB players but people forget - JW added Daon Merritt and Gaston Moliva - two important pieces of that team. I agree off the court issues got in the way - and I think we make another tourney under JW if they allow AD Vassallo get admissions. Because JW basketball was very simple - play good hard defense, and funnel offense through 1 main player. At UNCW he did it with Blizzard, then he did at UR with Skrocki and Dobbins, and then he would have done it with Vassallo - who if you watched at VA Tech, was an a very good player on offense.
Leaving the program in worse condition - that is both on JW and the administration. Again - I have said before, we bash Mooney for less than stellar recruiting and bad defense. JW was good on defense and pushed the envelope on recruits. The school said no - so he left. SO I think that is part JW fault, and part school fault.
But to Mooney credit - in year 5 - we make the NCAA tourney. And year 6 again - so the ship was righted, but here we stand - 10 years later, looking for our return to the NCAA waters.
Merritt and Moliva were good additions. both added 5 ppg as freshmen that year (Moliva never improved on that).
I bought in on JW's recruits as much as anyone. I thought Nelson and Sandoval would be stars. Vassallo (he was), Garcia and Mayes too. and thought we'd get more out of Sanders, Crank and Giddings.
end of the day, JW was a 54% coach. no better than Mooney.
I bought in on JW's recruits as much as anyone. I thought Nelson and Sandoval would be stars. Vassallo (he was), Garcia and Mayes too. and thought we'd get more out of Sanders, Crank and Giddings.
end of the day, JW was a 54% coach. no better than Mooney.
Only difference - we only had JW for 3 years. Mooney for how long? The other positive to JW I liked - and it comes from his UNCW days and playing against him then. Since they were so focused on defense - they always had a shot come tourney time to steal a bid. Remember in 2000 when they beat UR in the CAA finals - i think they were a middle of the pack CAA team that year. But when you play good defense - you stay in games and make them close, then in the final minutes - a little bit of luck here and there.
Unlike our current teams - I feel like lately we have been suffering huge deficits in games and just trying to come back to make it close.
Gene Hackman would be fine with me. I don’t even know if he is still alive, but would be better either way.
I'd take Mack in a heartbeat. Sounds like some minor violations at most. He'll have to drop back down a level to a school like us anyway. And he already knows the a10 and has even had a few of our former recruits and players.
Plus - you might be able to get him pretty cheap. In some contracts for coaches, when they are fired and guaranteed the rest of their contract - if they sign on to coach somewhere else, the former school only pays the difference. Example - Mack is making 4 million at Louisville. But if we hire him at UR for 500K - Louisville picks up the difference for 3.5 million. It would be a dream scenario for a school that doesn't want to spend too much to care about athletics. Have another school pay your coaches salary. We already send players to Louisville - might as well return the favor and pay our next coach.
Wow, that ended quickly for Mack, seemed like some possible violations under investigation - that Louisville was more than glad to overlook until he started losing this season. I find it hilarious that Pearl and Wade - two of the shadiest coaches out there being mentioned as replacements. May as well bring Pitino back, that would be great theater.
Mike Jones, Mike Jones, and Buck with a big game:
Mike Jones, Mike Jones, and Buck with a big game:
I’d take Rick pitino as our next coach in a heartbeat. Would have all our wins vacated in a few years but man it would be a fun ride.
Also like Griff Aldrich at Longwood. Interesting background. Someone to keep eye on. Played with Odom at H-SC then coached with him before taking Longwood, in between long private career.
What he's doing at Longwood with no real resources and history is like winning at 70% clip elsewhere imo.
A guy like Mack with NCAA violations would never end up at U of R just not going to happen. And Leiberman, John Beilein, Kenny Atkinson etc. r kinda fun to speculate but long shots too.
When we make a change odds r very high it would be a HC from lower league level.
What he's doing at Longwood with no real resources and history is like winning at 70% clip elsewhere imo.
A guy like Mack with NCAA violations would never end up at U of R just not going to happen. And Leiberman, John Beilein, Kenny Atkinson etc. r kinda fun to speculate but long shots too.
When we make a change odds r very high it would be a HC from lower league level.
Don’t agree with this. They’ll still get easy baskets on a plays this year. They set up Burton for a dunk in a big moment vs RI
Mack and Pitino are not happening...ur won't take anyone with a tainted background....image preferred over winning!
When I first read your post I thought you said "talented background". Second read was "tainted background". Irony in quick reading.
good point. ironically Carlin Hartman would be a worthy candidate right now imo. Except u can’t imagine Richmond hiring someone back they shit canned for ncaa stuff, even if minor texting violations. & well the Mooney connection.
btw personally I thought Hartman got a very raw deal & should not have lost job. But clearly UR admin viewed serious enough that a good asst. coach had to be fired. Under Mooney’s watch. Yet it’s interesting the Moon man always skated by on that. Long list.
I rewound that and made the wife look up from her book to watch the worst inbounds defensive positioning ever in D1 college basketball (maybe high school too). I doubt Tyler was even supposed to go there. just saw the opportunity and took it.
Take it as a good omen - SpiderDogg and plydogg agreeing on Post 631 above.
Unified Spiders let our doggs out on VCU Saturday and battle to victory in a dog fight.
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