Luke Hunger - 2022 Offer/Visit
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It was simple. Bryce Golden was not interested in playing with his brother. If you have been in sales all your life, you know there are some objections you can't see past.
Annap, that is one of many examples. Lurker may be right, but we have missed out on so many guys that we are in the top 5 with that it is not even a question on Mooney's ability (or inability) to close the deal. Now I reserve the right to change my mind if he pulls one out of thin air for this last spot. But it seems like an opportunity lost. Especially with the outlook on our interior next year. I think Walz is a good long term prospect, but not convinced he is a contributor next year - though likely will have to be. I like the progression and think both Grace and Sal are decent players, but neither is that athletic - so that is why a player like Hunger should have been sold on a "golden" opportunity to come in and contribute right away. Or the guy that went to Temple last year, or the guy that went to BC, and on and on. The beat goes on.
Mooney is playing the long game. He didn't really want any of these guys, he just faked interest so that bigger schools would get involved and fill up their available slots, thereby allowing Mooney to swoop in and get the guys he really wanted. It's like when you nominate a player you don't want in a fantasy auction draft, just so that other people bid him up and someone else wastes money on him...
I sorta get the criticism--there's always examples of guys that got away that we'd love to have had here. I imagine Gianni Thompson at BC or Zach Hicks at Temple are going to have a few quiet moments this year when they are looking at their own 7-15 records and the bottom of the standings, and looking at ours and saying, "Maybe I should'a...". And you wish we could have convinced them of that at the time. Hunger as well.
But, I mean, he did in fact close the deal on Gilyard to come halfway across the country, on Sherod and Buck to stay home, on Burton to head south, on Jason Nelson to stay home, etc. He's got some wins in his pocket here too.
But, I mean, he did in fact close the deal on Gilyard to come halfway across the country, on Sherod and Buck to stay home, on Burton to head south, on Jason Nelson to stay home, etc. He's got some wins in his pocket here too.
this year we're lighter on targets than usual. i think we really focused on a small group and obviously wanted Hunger. but you're going to offer 10-20 guys a year and you're going to miss on most of them. it's a numbers game. 24 teams wanted Hunger. 23 were going to lose. we lost but that happens. it happened to Beilein and Tarrant and every coach in history.
Hicks I wasn't as sold on - at least as an interior player, I meant to say the guy that went to Clemson. Yes, those are all good players that you listed that Mooney landed, but where the once in every 10 years get separated from the 5 times in 10 years mid major NCAA runs is the ability to get the big, athletic guys.
It does, it does. But IMO, the issue is that Mooney is failing to get impact type interior players. Yes, we have had Golden for 30 some odd years
, but he failed to land a D Garrett, Justin Harper or real impact player to play beside him. Yes, I like Cayo, but a 6'9 Cayo would have taken us next level. When I look at our NCAA seasons with Mooney, we had good interior players, and impactful depth that had the size athleticism to play with power schools.
Geroit and Harper was a good tandem but Dan's best days came before he was hurt and Harper's best days came late. he was really only awesome his senior year. Garrett played strong defense behind Geriot but offered nothing offensively. Duinker didn't play.
I'm not seeing that big a difference. Grant plus Nathan is a really strong duo. Grace and Sal are nothing like Garrett defensively, but they offer more on the other end. I'm hoping Walz is a Garrett defensively with more O.
I'm excited for Walz. him plus Hunger might have been unlike any frontcourt we've played with, if we played them together. so that's a shame.
I'm not seeing that big a difference. Grant plus Nathan is a really strong duo. Grace and Sal are nothing like Garrett defensively, but they offer more on the other end. I'm hoping Walz is a Garrett defensively with more O.
I'm excited for Walz. him plus Hunger might have been unlike any frontcourt we've played with, if we played them together. so that's a shame.
can u really say Sal & Grace offer more offensively than Garrett? I’d call that a push at least.
agreed ... they aren't dominant.
the year in question when Garrett was a junior backing up Geriot he averaged 1.9 ppg and 0.3 apg in 13 mpg. those numbers improved as a senior starter the following year.
Matt's numbers backing up Grant last year were 3.3 ppg and 0.8 apg in 12 mpg. Sal added 2.6 ppg and 0.3 apg.
Garrett was a much better rebounder and shot blocker ... something we could use.
but back to the original thought ... in my mind the big man talent on the glory team wasn't substantially greater than what we currently have. and across the board, I think our current talent holds up well compared to that team.
I hear you, and don't disagree. I would also feel much better with another promising big man like Scheiffelin or Hunger as well.
I just wanted to push back on the narrative that we never win a recruiting battle for a good player, because I don't believe that to be true.
You’re right. But I was just using this as an example of when the odds are in his favor, he still doesn’t seem to be able to pull the trigger.
Annap I do think Nelson will prove a big win for he is a winner and tremendous competitor.
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If the Spiders start to land any of their initial interior player targets, then you know the team has turned the corner. It has been the weakness for the last decade, which is the time period I have had season tickets. The other positions on the floor, especially guard, the Spiders have been successful.
It is sad to see visiting teams from lower level conferences coming in with more athletic big men than the Spiders. But obviously Mooney‘s standards are beyond what he can actually land.
But, wouldn't this be an example of the odds not being in your favor? He didn't want to go where his brother went. His brother went here. So, how does that mean the odds were in our favor to get him?
Obviously, I don’t know all the factors, and was using it as an example. I remember reading both his brother and his mother wanted him to come here. So, I made an assumption that would put the odds in our favor. Obviously, there were other factors.
This was just one example of how many???
Grant was obviously a big win.
Sal hasn't turned out huge yet, but he was a big win. he had a bunch of offers.
even Friendshuh and Piotrowski had plenty of offers.
we've won recruiting battles. sometimes the guys don't turn out like we hope. and that's especially true with big guys. the sure things are going P5. we get guys that need some development. maybe that's on us sometimes for them not developing like we want. but sometimes that just happens.
If asked, what do you expect his brother or Mom to say? Grant: I hope he doesn't come here. Mom: I hope he doesn't go to Richmond to play. Really??
Our board: Mooney doesn't even try to get a guy that might go to a power conference.
Our board when we miss out on a guy who ends up at a Big Ten school: Mooney can't close.
Our board when Mooney gets talent to come here: Yeah, but........
Our recruiting has been excellent for several years now, and we miss out on a guy who goes to a Big Ten school, and here come all the negative comments?? Wow. Just wow.
Our board when we miss out on a guy who ends up at a Big Ten school: Mooney can't close.
Our board when Mooney gets talent to come here: Yeah, but........
Our recruiting has been excellent for several years now, and we miss out on a guy who goes to a Big Ten school, and here come all the negative comments?? Wow. Just wow.
I haven’t followed recruiting most of the last 10 years, just the last few. Yes, Grant is an exception, but one in 6 years isn’t going to get it done. I do recall lots of hype about Sal, but not sure what happened there. I would hope there would be lots of interest for any interior target, otherwise you are in long shot territory. If you get to that point, I think the better idea is the transfer front, which is why I prematurely brought that up because it seemed like where the Spiders would end up to me.
The ”Yeah, but” that matters is the lack of NCAA bids over the past decade.
Recruiting, coaching, or something else…there’s a missing ingredient.
Recruiting, coaching, or something else…there’s a missing ingredient.
Fair, but we went 24-7 two years ago, are getting a lot of well deserved pre season love this year, and it certainly looks like we have a lot of promising young talent to keep things going after this year, including a much needed big in Walz. "Yeah, but we didn't get Hunger"? Really?
Hard to get guys when you have not been to the NCAA since the current recruiting class was in Elementary School. And last time we had a shot was cut short due to COVID.
I wonder though - with the inflated roster this year, and fact we will have so many underclassmen on the roster who likely will not play much at all this year - will this have a negative effect going forward on recruiting as kids might see no young guys playing or see a bunch of young guys on the roster ahead of them if they choose UR. Not that they can't beat them out if their good enough, but I think most kids these days want playing time handed to them and rather not have to compete for it and just walk in to a situation where kids graduate and they only have to compete with one other to get minutes.
I wonder though - with the inflated roster this year, and fact we will have so many underclassmen on the roster who likely will not play much at all this year - will this have a negative effect going forward on recruiting as kids might see no young guys playing or see a bunch of young guys on the roster ahead of them if they choose UR. Not that they can't beat them out if their good enough, but I think most kids these days want playing time handed to them and rather not have to compete for it and just walk in to a situation where kids graduate and they only have to compete with one other to get minutes.
Beyond dispute his mother publicly, on multiple occasions, said she would prefer for them to play together in college. No brainer. Family can travel to a single location to see both play.
On flip side, appreciate Bryce wanting to establish himself rather than possibly playing in shadow of his big brother. Bryce has had a solid career at Butler, but scarcely overly noteworthy.
With due respect, don't believe your post holds water. Grant and Mom wanted him at Richmond.
??? Uh, yes, I agree. Why wouldn't they want him here? But, like you just said, you can't blame a younger brother if he wants to go to a different school. And, back to the original topic, you certainly can't blame a coach for not getting a younger brother when he clearly did not want to follow his older brother. Yet, on here, we heard just that. Laughable.
Sman, the comparisons with Grace vs Garrett are offensive only Grace is very negative on the defensive side. Garrett had 14 blocks in a game and could impact the game. We have seen our pretty offense has not yielded any ncaa births. Give me a depleted Geriot, Harper and Garett and I'd put money on this being an ncaa team.
But, is it really hard to get guys if you have a tourney drought? Haven't we gotten a lot of quality guys the past several years? What I think you and many on here don't realize is most kids these days are more concerned with the present and future than the past. How many recruits really make a decision because *that team went the dance 2 or 3 years ago" without looking at what the team's current situation looks like?
As for your other topic, no. A simple answer, no, all of that will have no effect on recruiting at all, especially when you consider how many minutes we will lose after this year anyway. We didn't even lose any of our recruits from this past year, despite everyone coming back.
VT, you should have been on the Debate Team at UR, possibly you were.. Adept at arguing both sides of any argument. And you can never hold up from a response so I expect your rebuttal.
You are a good Spider. Nothing personal, but sometimes your comments take my breath.
You are a good Spider. Nothing personal, but sometimes your comments take my breath.
All of these are true :
* We have gotten some good players recently.
* Some players have developed very nicely here recently.
* Some others haven't.
* We haven't been able to sign a really skilled big man in six years.
* It's possible to sign good recruits despite not making the NCAAs in a decade.
* It's very helpful to have a recent track record of making the NCAAs when recruiting.
* We have gotten some good players recently.
* Some players have developed very nicely here recently.
* Some others haven't.
* We haven't been able to sign a really skilled big man in six years.
* It's possible to sign good recruits despite not making the NCAAs in a decade.
* It's very helpful to have a recent track record of making the NCAAs when recruiting.
no doubt, Garrett was a much better defender.
and I agree our current team probably would be an ncaa team with Geriot, Harper and Garett. they'll also probably be an ncaa team with Golden, Cayo, Grace and Koureissi.
I hope so, I'm just getting that sinking feeling that if it comes down to playing a team with a big athletic front line, this unit could be our down fall.
Are you serious here? You were the one that brought up the Goldens.
I used that as an “example”. Not meant to hi-Jack the subject this thread was about.
Mooney clearly lacks something in his sales job. I don't know what it is but he clearly can not close on his top targets, it has been an issue season after season after season. I never get up for these big recruits that are our top target, because history tells me I am going to be disappointed.
Good points. A couple caveats. Gilyard has like two other low mid major offers, but yeah kudos to Mooney for finding a hidden gem. Burton had some A-10 offers (Umass, Rhody, St. Bonnie), nice list but he was not in the same recruiting league as Hunger was. And you got to be able to recruit your backyard. Nelson had a Vandy offer, on shittiest D-1 program, not named Northwestern out there. Buck/Sherod we both big gets, those type of offers need to happen every single year, not once every 3-4 years as is now the case.
Go look who VCU, Dayton, and SLU are landing, three upper echelon league members and you see our problem.
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