Khwan Fore Update
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Khwan is 9th on the team is scoring averaging 3.5 per game on 37.1% shooting. He is also averaging 1.2 assist per game and 19.9 minutes. Has he increased his chance of going pro in Europe than if he stayed at UR averaging 15 points a game on 50% shooting?
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He has increased his odds of playing in the NCAA tournament from .0001 to 99.9999%
He has increased his odds of playing in the NCAA tournament from .0001 to 99.9999%
Fore is a good athlete who plays good situational defense. I believe time will prove that Fore does not possess the overall skill set needed to succeed at professional basketball.
Mack knows how to use him appropriately by playing to his strengths. He has played against top notch competition (though no doubt he could have scored more against the likes of Hampden-Sydney, Longwood, St. Francis, IUPUI, Hampton, Coppin State and the A-10 cupcakes
). AND, he will be playing in the NCAA tournament.Fore is getting exactly what he left UR to get. Good for him, he made a good decision.
Seems like a lot for backing up Wocjik.
Yeah really. Isn't UR80 the poster who started the Jake thread but he contributes 8 PPG in 30 minutes but KF would get 15 as a backup.
Yeah really. Isn't UR80 the poster who started the Jake thread but he contributes 8 PPG in 30 minutes but KF would get 15 as a backup.
Yeah really. Isn't UR80 the poster who started the Jake thread but he contributes 8 PPG in 30 minutes but KF would get 15 as a backup.
Last year he average 11 points, 3.2 rebounds and 2.7 assist per game. I seem to recall that his numbers picked up in A10 competition. I think he would have gotten a lot of playing time this year and his numbers would have improved. Might have lead to a pro career. We certainly have sent a lot of players to Europe.
I think his Louisville stats are going to make it hard for him to go pro. He might have made a bad career decision transferring. We shall soon see.
He'll get a chance somewhere, and I doubt his chances go down by transferring up for his final season of eligibility.
Regardless of how things end up, he will have had a heck of an experience playing in the premiere college conference and seeing a good volume of minutes. He's not riding pine over there. They will go to the tournament and they've shown enough that they are a legit contender to get to the second weekend, something he didn't have a chance at here.
UR80sfan - Khwan graduated in 4 years, gave his all while here, by all accounts was a good representative of the school, and is a beloved Spider. There are a contingent of Spider fans that appreciate what he gave and choose to follow his career further.
My question to you - why not just ignore the posts on this thread? If you resent that he left, thought he wasn't that great, or whatever the case may be then just let others come here and discuss how he's doing rather than trying to tear down his accomplishments or point out his negative stats each time he has a bad game or Louisville loses.
My question to you - why not just ignore the posts on this thread? If you resent that he left, thought he wasn't that great, or whatever the case may be then just let others come here and discuss how he's doing rather than trying to tear down his accomplishments or point out his negative stats each time he has a bad game or Louisville loses.
Questions/Thoughts:
1) Does Khwan Fore prefer playing at Chapel Hill, Cameron, the Carrier Dome and ND, or does he miss playing at A10 High School gyms like Lasalle, UMASS, and Fordham?
2) Does Khwan Fore regret that he plays for an NCAA team, or does he wish he played for a team with a losing record whose fans are posting billboards in an effort to get the coach fired?
3) When Khwan Fore left UR for Louisville, did he give up his chance to be an NBA lottery pick?
4) Is Louisville's arena a better atmosphere on a typical gameday, or does Khwan Fore miss that Robins Center afternoon gameday environment where they truck in all the screaming school children?
5) Is Chris Mack a better coach, or is Coach Mooney a better coach?
6) Did Khwan Fore do Richmond a huge favor by transferring, since according to VT, we are better this year without him?
7) VT replies -- "I never said we were better without Fore. I said we were a better team without Fore AND Buckingham".
8) Are we on the NIT bubble?
9) Are we remotely close to any bubble?
10) Next year -- Best team ever.
There are a number of people on this forum that want to hurt the basketball program in order to get Mooney fired. I’m not going to go into each of the ways, however one way is to encourage our players to transfer to a better conference, because they can play in front of larger audiences. in better arenas and get more national exposure. These type of fans are cancerous to the program. There are many wonderful aspects of being a Spider and our basketball alumni typically talks glowing about their experience at the University. In addition, we have sent a significant number of players to the to the pros, including during Mooney's term as coach.
I will support any player wearing a spider uniform regardless of what our record is, however if a starter transfers to another school I will not welcome them back on campus and will consider them a traitor to our program.
Going to college is all about preparing yourself for the best possible job when you graduate and I think he made a huge mistake in transferring by significantly lowering the probability of having a pro career. Having the ninth highest average and shooting 35% for the field are going to hurt his chances going pro. I hope he enjoys his one year at Louisville, because he is giving up a lot.
Calling a fellow alumn a traitor? He spent 4 years at Richmond and gave everything he had. I wish he had stayed but he earned his right to choose his next opportunity.
Calling former players and fellow alumns traitors is cancerous to our program.
I think closest bubble we are is Mr Bubble in bathtub unless thoughts change about fighting.
Ok, just to make sure I understand this, are you suggesting that there are fans/alumni who were out whispering in Khwan's ear that he should grad transfer? Or are you just generalizing that having a thread on a guy who has gone elsewhere is likely to popularize the notion of transferring up to another program and therefore we shouldn't discuss such things in an open forum.
Both seem patently absurd, but I'd like to make sure I'm properly interpreting your assertion.
T-bone, it’s a combination. There have been a number of posts that insinuate Grant and potentially other players would be much better off at a higher profile program. Relative to this thread there are insinuations that Khwan is much better off somewhere else instead of our measly program, which I find insulting to U of R and completely wrong. If people feel that way they should leave the Forum and start rooting for another team at one of these better programs. Everyone involved would be much happier including them.
The irony of the few remaining truthers is that they take great delight in crapping all over Khwan and then turn around in the same breath and say posters who want Mooney gone are not supporting our players.
All I want is for all our players to enjoy the experience of being on a successful winning team and has some really memorable victories on the court. I want them to experience playing in big games and in a sold out home arena. Khwan is getting that now. Our current players get to lose to Oral Roberts in front of a half empty Robins Center devoid of excitement.
All I want is for all our players to enjoy the experience of being on a successful winning team and has some really memorable victories on the court. I want them to experience playing in big games and in a sold out home arena. Khwan is getting that now. Our current players get to lose to Oral Roberts in front of a half empty Robins Center devoid of excitement.
I see you've moved on from straw men to defamation. My comments in bold above.
Can we get Ulla back please? I'd take 100 straight "not a clue" posts from him over more intellectual dishonesty like this.
So I don't know what the combination is, you've not provided any evidence that someone is proactively suggesting these guys should transfer. If you have an example, please provide it. And just because someone said that some of our players "could" transfer up is vastly different than they "should" do so, or worse, that the poster "wants" them to do so. I've seen no evidence of anyone stating they want Grant or Jacob to transfer, much less anyone else.
And it's not an insinuation that Khwan is better off elsewhere, at least in so far as him wanting to A) play against better competition and B) have a chance to go to the NCAA tournament. We couldn't offer him either this year, that is an objective fact, not an insinuation.
At the end of the day, we aren't that attractive to someone who wants a chance to play in the big dance. Gotta focus on fixing that problem, not the peripheral junk that's merely symptomatic of the underlying cause.
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Not in the slightest. Get a grip UR80. Getting Mooney fired only benefits the program. Stagnation since 2011 is an understatement to what Mooney has done with Spider basketball.
I am confused again -- I read/hear that nobody cares what the people on these boards say because it is only a few disgruntled/grumpy posters talking to themselves, but now we are told the same group has enough influence that they can convince players to transfer through nothing more than insinuation.
I confess. It was I who got Kovien Dominaus to transfer out.
I guess myself and Ulla were the only Kovien fans. Alas, we got Mooneyed again on that one. Though I am wondering if EL had not drove him out he would be averaging17 pts/game now.
This board is read by many of the players and their parents. I am sure they do a good job of blocking most of the comments out, but they are human and some of the comments will have an effect of them.
If this is true, then maybe one should not call a former teammate, alumn, and friend of the players a traitor and that he’s not welcome back at Richmond?
No one said anything about convincing.
You left out grad transfer who left our program. I can't think of too many fan bases out there that would cheer on a grad transfer after he leaves their program. If Khwan would not have left, I bet many of you would say other fan bases who cheer ex players who left are soft, and praise the ones that get on ex players as passionate fans. You are way too predictable sometimes.
Not really. Players do care. Shoot, Kevin Durrant cares and gets bothered by what others think. Most players can handle criticism, but when Grant and Jacob have monster games, I would think it would bother them if they heard we were talking about them transferring instead of how great they played.
This assumes the fan base is satisfied with the direction of their program and are jilted by it as opposed to feeling sympathetic.
Exactly T bone, that is the problem, we are not worried about great players transferring because of a lack of confidence in Mooney. It is overwhelming a great number of fans ability to have excitement for Richmond basketball.
Then they're living in the wrong era, sadly. But I don't think anyone is out here saying "We hope Jacob and Grant transfer" either. That's a pretty big leap. Every Spider fan I know wants them here another two years.
I don't know about that. I just don't think there is a lot of love for guys that leave programs, whether the school they leave is doing well or not
It is interesting you say that, because I would think the majority players would overwhelming support most of my post and think most of the guys on this thread are a bunch of " " (please fill in the blank). Do you actually think the players support all the negative post and view those posters as some type of heros out to save them?
With that said they might not like what I say about Khwan, who was one of my favorite players when he was a Spider, but they need to know there are negative consequences with transferring, which have been previously mentioned in this tread.
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