Higher probability of Mooney getting contract extension than leaving early.
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I don't think any coach is using Twitter to engage on a personal level with a recruit. That's all done more privately. You don't want other recruits to see all that stuff.
And in Mooney's case, with all the negativity and the FMM stuff ... how the heck would him having a Twitter be a positive? Someone would have to scrub all the bad stuff tweeted at him hourly. nobody here wants the program to fail, but clearly some people do want him personally to fail miserably so the process can move forward. a Twitter account for CM is a horrible suggestion.
I am not bothered that Mooney is still our coach, but, sure, the other things bother me, and it is time to fix them, and if they don't get fixed, I will also be bothered about our coaching situation.
You're moving the goalposts. Of course a visit in person is better than a tweet, but the point is that you can't always be flying across the country to see a recruit. You can tweet with them anytime. Kids don't talk on the phone much these days – they text, tweet or Snapchat. The coaches need to be where the kids are.
100% correct. And it is not that you don't want other recruits to see you engage with other recruits. It is against the rules. So, either some on here do not have a clue how recruiting works, or they want Mooney to break the rules right out there in the open for everyone to see. That is why it is done privately, which is why I have been saying a text or email works the same.
Yes, they text. So, how is a private tweet any better than a text? I keep getting all these replies, but no one has been able to answer this.
Being accessible on Twitter is important. You can like tweets from recruits. You can engage with them. You can create a public and exciting persona that kids want to be a part of. If you don't understand how that might be at least somewhat valuable, it's not worth continuing this discussion.
And sending 100 letters might be better than sending 50. Might be. Sending 100 texts might be better than 50. Might be. Recruiting all 50 states might be better than 40. Might be. And being on twitter at some point for that one recruit who doesn't text or follow email might be better than not being on twitter. Might be. And there have also been examples shown where it might be worse. Again, might be.
You don't like hearing it, but you are basically calling Tony Bennett stupid for not being on twitter. If you think it is so important for Mooney to be on twitter, how can you not think it is also important for Bennett to be on twitter?
Then why are literally every other coach in Virginia except for Bennett and every other coach in our league except for McKillop on there? You can't argue that Twitter is irrelevant or else no one would be on there. But they're all on there!
This is Mooney we're talking about.
We have a coach's call-in show that only allows questions from the same friendly fan every week.
Only the media has access to our coach.
When asked if he has a message to the fans, it's "I'll get back to you."
A twitter account is pretty much the antithesis of how he interacts with the public.
We have a coach's call-in show that only allows questions from the same friendly fan every week.
Only the media has access to our coach.
When asked if he has a message to the fans, it's "I'll get back to you."
A twitter account is pretty much the antithesis of how he interacts with the public.
Come on EL, there are only approx. 320 million active Twitter users. For some of us to suggest that UR athletics and our most visible people in the department consider using such a platform more frequently and effectively makes no sense.
Same. It is obvious who is around "it" and who isn't. Some on here don't even know the rules, and they act like they know what is best for a coach.
And many of those rarely tweet or retweet. If Mooney were on twitter and rarely tweeted like numerous other coaches, would that make some of you happy? Could you then move on the next thing that Mooney does that bothers you?
can't believe you've got me wasting my time, but I can't even find Anthony Grant or Ashley Howard. most of the other guys are simply retweeting stuff already tweeted by their school.
trust me. no kid gives a damn if the coach is on Twitter or not. they just want to be contacted
Did either of you bother to look at Roussell's Twitter account? He's doing exactly what Mooney should be doing.
In your opinion. Maybe Mooney is doing other stuff that Roussell should be doing. We know this is just another weak reason to get on our coach. As others have said, there are better reasons. 12 and 13 win seasons come to mind.
I'm just talking about the Twitter presence. That's it. Russell is doing what Mooney should be doing.
Two people responded to the potential lack of value of Twitter, you and Spinner. My initial response was non-specific, I simply noted that 12 of 14 A10 coaches use it. I'm not singling you out, just responding that I think you're defending behavior that to me is mostly indefensible, this kind of thing is marketing 101 these days.
I don't think Twitter use is better than personal interaction. I do think that if you aren't keeping up with the Joneses, you end up falling behind, which is arguably what's happened with our recruiting the past many years.
The only good argument I've heard so far for not doing this is spiderman's notion that the trolls are likely to pounce on a CM Twitter account at this point and perhaps that becomes syncopated with whatever he is doing. But I'm certain that noise is already easy to find on the interwebs anyway.
There's a lot of things a social media account from the CEO of the basketball program could show that would show a little personality and make thing more authentic than coming from the PR staff - the construction of the new support facilities, the spread in d-hall and the athletic performance center, the absolute beauty of the campus in the spring. Social media can be used as a strategic communication vehicle for potential players (and their parents) to show how special UR is.
But why change or try new things when we've experienced so much recent success?
But why change or try new things when we've experienced so much recent success?
it is not really an age thing as some on here have insinuated but a personal preference. notice on a SEC network show that saban at alabama does not recruit utilizing social media, his assistants might and probably do but the guys he goes after are done face to face. certainly a way to do both if so inclined. not sure that one can state in fact that CM not tweeting causes him harm in the recruiting wars, it may, it may not. it does give some on here another way to just keep attacking but that is something they have to figure out within themselves.
Here's a very simple but beneficial way to potentially help your program on social media. And no its not the only way.
By the way the school listed all the contributors who gave to each program or Spider Club during this heavily publicized giving day push. What I also found interesting is that, to their credit, Huesman, Woodson and new coach Roussell all gave to their respective programs. I would have expected Mooney too but he was not listed at all. Now everyone has a right to handle their $ as they see fit but noticeably there were very few Mooney era basketball alums on there and also a number of athletic UR employees lacking as well.
By the way the school listed all the contributors who gave to each program or Spider Club during this heavily publicized giving day push. What I also found interesting is that, to their credit, Huesman, Woodson and new coach Roussell all gave to their respective programs. I would have expected Mooney too but he was not listed at all. Now everyone has a right to handle their $ as they see fit but noticeably there were very few Mooney era basketball alums on there and also a number of athletic UR employees lacking as well.
Again, let's not compare Mooney to guys like Saban and Tony Bennett.
They have a very impressive success rate of winning and putting guys in the pros (UVA has turned out guys that didn't get much hype like Scott, Brogdon, Joe Harris that have excelled)
Everyone is fighting the point that Mooney is slow to use tools at his disposal (transfer, grad transfer, social media, etc) - despite his lack of top end or lately even mediocre results. You guys keep posting your bs about how UN bad Mooney is, it is just causing more negativity. You are losing your own battle.
They have a very impressive success rate of winning and putting guys in the pros (UVA has turned out guys that didn't get much hype like Scott, Brogdon, Joe Harris that have excelled)
Everyone is fighting the point that Mooney is slow to use tools at his disposal (transfer, grad transfer, social media, etc) - despite his lack of top end or lately even mediocre results. You guys keep posting your bs about how UN bad Mooney is, it is just causing more negativity. You are losing your own battle.
that's great. and I agree you can do things to promote the school and the program on Twitter.
my argument is that a coach not having a Twitter account has absolutely no affect on recruiting. you're free to disagree, and you should if you know kids being recruited or their parents who feel otherwise.
I personally never pushed the recruiting angle of it. I think it's a part of it but smaller part. It's the other things you do that make bigger impact. You told me that is all handled by the main account. We disagree there, no worries.
You could qualify anything as personal preference. but social media, minus probably Facebook, does indeed trend to younger ages. That is without dispute.
Correct and nobody has stated it as fact.
well, it's ONLY handled by the main account in our case!
so I think we're kind of in agreement. I believe, unless I dreamed it, that some here were arguing that some of our recruiting problems had something, anything to do with Mooney not being on Twitter. and I believe our coach's Twitter usage is irrelevant in recruiting.
You can say that, but I will tell you what, coaches like Chris Mack use it for branding, and to show his spirit and family life and look I'm the kind of guy you want to come play for. Brand building. Right now Mooney's brand is a sniveling, scared coach who can't teach rebounding or defense, and can't recruit or even answer questions directly from local, unaggressive media. so yes you can say everything Mooney does and does not do well does not matter. But it does, and it adds up. And it is not good.
How can three good recruiting classes result in bottom 4 finish? Good is based on results not expectations.
With a few billion in it's endowment they can afford to fix a mistake. But no they'd rather have the fans pay for their mistake, by donating, buying tickets, etc.
Saban and Tony Bennett can do whatever they want. They win national championships. They are getting recruited by kids more than the other way around at this point -- especially Saban. He has one of the easiest recruiting jobs in history at this point, thanks to his own efforts of course. Those guys are major outliers, not at all the norm.
But, what about before UVA won its title? They managed to recruit Guy,. Jerome, Hunter and others without having a coach on twitter.
5 years before this season:
Virginia: 143-33
Richmond: 90-77
Forget UMBC. A winning program outweighs everything else.
Wr70, easy on the facts that doesn't fit 4700s lame narrative. Bottom line, a guy like Chris Mack is getting free advertising for his brand every day. Mooney, nada. he will look into this internet thing next year with Jabba.
spend more time than i really want online, on my cell even though am old. guess what turns me off is watching people just spending all their time with the phones even in social situations oblivious to others, usually family, all around them, a head scratcher. certainly generations are different always have been, always will be but we all get to make choices with our personal time. all of us should strive to be the best we can and utilize whatever is available to do that. personally could give a rip what our coaches do to promote their programs and recruit as long as they are doing their best and they show results. not sure if wins and losses are due to social media and that means wins on the field or court or in the recruiting battles. a person may be able to recruit and not coach a lick or be lousy at recruiting but can put his team in a position to win more often than not. sometimes they can do both and those are the stars.
Again, utilizing a free platform that all the kid's are on is a way to gain free advertising and build your brand. Bennett and Saban don't need this. Mooney does.
If we were consistently winning and recruiting well threads discussing Mooney not having Twitter would not be necessary.
But since we haven't gone to the tournament in 8 years I think it is fair to wonder why the coaching staff is not doing more. Lack of Twitter is only a minuscule drawback. But when you add it to all the other issues we have it is indicative of much deeper issues and I think it's legitimate for us to wonder why we aren't exploring more ways to reach out.
But since we haven't gone to the tournament in 8 years I think it is fair to wonder why the coaching staff is not doing more. Lack of Twitter is only a minuscule drawback. But when you add it to all the other issues we have it is indicative of much deeper issues and I think it's legitimate for us to wonder why we aren't exploring more ways to reach out.
