Higher probability of Mooney getting contract extension than leaving early.
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You are being predictably defensive about this and I don’t know why. I’m not making an argument that using Twitter is a panacea for what ails us.
This is a very basic tactic to recruiting that can be assigned to a DOBO as fan1 suggested. Why wouldn’t we do this?
Defensive? Come on now. I have barely commented on this thread. Take a look at my posts and others. Maybe you should be talking to others about being defensive. I have questioned the importance of coaches having a twitter account and backed it up by saying Tony Bennett is not on twitter, and then when you said we are one of two A-10 schools whose coach is not on twitter, I said that is not a tell all because we both obviously do not finish 13th and 14th in the A-10.
Since Davidson joined the A-10, they have finished 1st, 6th, 9th, 3rd, and 2nd, and we have finished T4th, 9th, T3rd, T5th, and T10th. So, it seems like it is a reach to act like not having coaches on a twitter account is hurting our schools in relation to other A-10 schools. Defensive? Hardly. I have simply used facts to help with my opinion.
We, like other schools whose coach is not on twitter, have a basketball twitter account, which is really all that is needed.
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I don't know. Why wouldn't Virginia? Maybe they could have had a better year using one, right? fan1 said maybe half use one, which means half don't, so why would one way be better than the other if it is 50/50?
Defensive much VT? Came over from the VT board two years ago, and now Richmond basketball can do no wrong. Weird. Anyway, with the lack of success, you would think our staff would have a more dynamic online presence. Never been a Louisville or Xavier fan, but Chris Mack is an interesting follow and if you are a fan of those schools he drives interest.
Comparing Moon to Bennett, laughable. One just wins and wins and wins and doesn't make excuses. The other is a blind squirrel that found a couple nuts a long time ago. Mooney should have tried to emulate Bennett's systems. And stop with the ACC recruiting advantage. TB came from Washington State, probably toughest hoops spot in PAC12 - and had great success with built in disadvantages. Carry on dude.
Comparing Moon to Bennett, laughable. One just wins and wins and wins and doesn't make excuses. The other is a blind squirrel that found a couple nuts a long time ago. Mooney should have tried to emulate Bennett's systems. And stop with the ACC recruiting advantage. TB came from Washington State, probably toughest hoops spot in PAC12 - and had great success with built in disadvantages. Carry on dude.
Yes you’re being defensive, you’ve just written three paragraphs as to why Twitter doesn’t matter, suggesting that your use of “facts” somehow makes it less defensive.
If you want to claim that not using Twitter is the right approach, I guess you can have at it, I don’t believe it makes anyone a better coach. I do suspect it makes one a better recruiter.
Mostly I just think it is silly to say it doesn’t matter when it’s commonplace for coaches to be on it.
Btw, reading comprehension bruv. He said half of those on it have their DOBO do the heavy lifting, not that half of them have one.
Okay. Just wondering why you chose to single out me for being defensive when reading through some of these other posts. All good.
You can double that number for 18-24 year olds though (44%). And the survey doesn't go below 18 year olds but I'm guessing for 14-17 year olds (our recruits) these numbers are even higher.
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-ta...ding-facebook-is-mostly-unchanged-since-2018/
We don't have to like it, but social media is not going away. We can stick our heads in the sand and claim we don't need it. Or we (our coach) can sign up for a free, easy to use service that immediately gives us another way to contact half of the teenage population.
Again, I don't think this makes a huge difference in most recruiting battles. But why purposely limit yourself when it comes to recruiting?
Go, yes, it's just part of the landscape now. Just like with the grad transfer rule. But like with the grad transfer rule, instead of trying to be an early adapter - OR AT THE VERY LEAST using it as a tool like every other program - we fight it and make excuses why it isn't or shouldn't be part of the landscape.
put me in the camp that thinks this is a non-issue. I don't believe it would have any positive effect on recruiting. there are other much more personal ways to show interest in a recruit. and we do have the SpiderMBB account putting things out.
S-man, what is your stance on using spell check/proof reading communications that come our from the AD and basketball office?
I hear you, and you make some good points, but I think direct texts, letters, emails, phone calls, and of course actual recruiting visits are a heck of a lot more important that having a twitter account. I just don't think it makes much difference, and the ones that are not on it probably worry about it end up being a negative because maybe you could start liking a recruit's tweets a lot and then maybe not like another recruit's tweets as much. Or, what happens if you misread a tweet and liked it when it was questionable? It happens. Some people have gotten in trouble from twitter. If a recruit knows right away you are not on twitter, they won't worry if they do not see you following them. I am certainly not getting on coaches for having twitter accounts. I am simply defending those that do not.
Kids of this generation LOVE to be promoted and praised. They love attention! Why do you think there are so many transfers now? They all want to believe that they can be great and play big-time basketball. They also love being recruited more than once, because it feeds their egos.
I'm not saying any of this is ideal, but it is real! Social media is a way for coaches to connect with players and play into those desires of the kids. It's one tool in the toolbox, but an increasingly important one.
I'm not saying any of this is ideal, but it is real! Social media is a way for coaches to connect with players and play into those desires of the kids. It's one tool in the toolbox, but an increasingly important one.
I agree. But if what you are doing isn't working, maybe try something different or extra?
Probably true. But put yourself in 1990, before email was really a thing. Or 2000, before everyone in the world texted. You just accepted those as normal means of communication today. Maybe we should add Twitter to that list?
Just out of curiosity, I looked up a few of these accounts. Some of these coaches rarely tweet or retweet and when they did, it would have been just as productive coming from the school's basketball twitter account. So, if some of you really feel Mooney is missing an opportunity here, you should also be getting on guys like Lange, who has not tweeted in almost a year, Dambrot, who hasn't tweeted since January, and Neubauer, who hasn't tweeted since early March. I only looked up a few so there probably a lot more like this.
recruiting is just 1 part of it. Other important elements are fan interest, community outreach, additional brand awareness etc. I guess Bob Black, Matt Smith and rest of AD seem to think we just replace our fans easily. We get a decent amount of kids at game right? Ones old enough have social media, young ones will eventually. Future fans right there or at least a good opportunity to keep them. They love to follow players and coaches. Actual people, the humanization part. We're a small school thus small available pool of fans especially when the results on the court have been bad. This is one of the easiest things to do - we are only 1 in A10 without mens HC or AD on Twitter (davidson AD uses it a lot) - we're not splitting the atom here or raising millions of dollars for a practice facility.
AD? How many fans really care about an AD twitter account? Do you think fans would go to Hardt or Mooney's twitter before just going to Richmond basketball's account? I see no difference.
mistakes like we've had can't happen. if it happens once, we should be embarrassed enough to never let it happen again. and yet it does. these communications represent our school.
I could care less about their social media accounts. I don't think it can hurt, and it's such an easy thing to do, but I doubt it moves the needle.
Rhoades won on the scoreboard, where it counts.
Attendance was down Y-O-Y. Comments from People's Choice voters:
"I think it represents Richmond well. It's bland and inoffensive, like the popular chili we can buy in cans at the grocery store."
"I voted for his chili because it was so good in 2011, I know it can be good next year."
"I didn't really like it, but felt sorry for him. It wasn't his fault he was missing 3 key ingredients."
Rhoades won on the scoreboard, where it counts.
Attendance was down Y-O-Y. Comments from People's Choice voters:
"I think it represents Richmond well. It's bland and inoffensive, like the popular chili we can buy in cans at the grocery store."
"I voted for his chili because it was so good in 2011, I know it can be good next year."
"I didn't really like it, but felt sorry for him. It wasn't his fault he was missing 3 key ingredients."
The same kind of things that our new women's coach does there, for starters. He is fairly active (@coachrous), posting pics from the recruiting trail, practice, team events, showing his enthusiasm in public way. It doesn't mean he's going to win an A10 title but it gets people interested and makes it easier for UR women's basketball to stay top of mind. It's Marketing 101. Do it right and you create a buzz around your program and increase interest from both recruits and fans alike.
You mean because they might be private? Yes, coaches can get on social media and privately communicate with recruits after their sophomore year. The key is privately. So, how is a private tweet any better than an email or text?
In a very impersonal way. People don't latch onto the "personality" of a team or program account. On Twitter you need to engage on a personal level. Having a personal account with your name attached to it is a million times more effective in this type of situation.
10k fans follow davidson AD. 4k follow vcu's. The AD twitter is less important than mens basketball coach. I was only pointing out we are only team in A10 that doesn't have either the AD or mens coach on Twitter. Little odd. Our AD would probably have 100 followers and deserve less. Do I think fans would go to Mooney twitter before spider bball one? Yes especially if there is some interesting content. And if they are following him it would pull up anyway.
I have to give you credit. This was a good post.
No you wanted us to rip on a few other coaches who are not using frequently and I figured you might be a registered poster on those schools message boards like you were at Virginia Tech.
But, less effective than a visit or call, and no more effective than an email or text. So, how really important is this?
I guess it depends on what you feel is important and not important. It doesn't bother me if we are the only school with both an AD and coach not on twitter, just like it does not bother me if we are the only team in the A-10 to start a 5'8 PG.
...in your opinion. Clearly an opinion that's in the significant minority among D1 basketball coaches.
Interesting analogy. I'm certainly not bothered by Gilly as our PG. Are you bothered that UR still employs a coach who hasn't gone to the NCAAs in 8 years, never finished 1st or 2nd in A10, gets beaten by our crosstown rival consistently, and has won 25 games total in 2 years?
