Wherever. Just send money....over and over and over.
Higher probability of Mooney getting contract extension than leaving early.
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No he just has a different opinion than one person so therefore he has ruined an entire program
Ply, we missed it, what did Hardt say? Are you saying he endorsed Mooney? Who is the one person that is against Mooney. The billboard guy, and no one else?
I hate to appear contrary, but I think that we need to take a breath and give Hardt some room and allow him to take in the background and environment at UR, and make his decisions based upon what he thinks to be in the best interests of UR. He has not been given a chance.
I think that many on this board, most of with whom I typically agree with respect to the tenor of their posts, have been particularly harsh with Hardt. But regardless of who may have endorsed him or been influential in having him take the job as AD, and regardless of what he does with Mooney this year, I am inclined to give him an opportunity to succeed or fail based on his own decisions and how they play out. I think that many are coming down way too hard on him and not giving him a fair chance. How long has he been here? The announcement of his hire was a little over a year ago.
I think the same is true, but to a much lesser degree, with respect to Russ Huesman. I think Russ will succeed and make us all proud once he is able to overcome the departure of Rocco and those singularly loyal to Rocco that probably kept them from performing at the level to which they were capable.
In my mind, the true culprit of all of this malignity we are now experiencing with regard to the two major sports at UR is a direct result of the previous hire. Keith Gill did nothing with respect to oversight or leadership. With Gill, IMO, it was not only the Rocco thing which was handled horribly but also his lack of interest and consequent lack of involvement with what was taking place in basketball. Things were not what they should have been for many more than the last two years.
And worth mentioning in this conversation are those, among whom I count myself, who may be better served with a little more patience...in view of the circumstances.
What do we want and when do we want it?
Soooo, Imma take a very deep breath, get behind Lax (men's and women's) and the diamond Spiders so as to get me my fix through the Spring season, and with respect to basketball imma wait yet again for next season...believing that things will be better.
I think that many on this board, most of with whom I typically agree with respect to the tenor of their posts, have been particularly harsh with Hardt. But regardless of who may have endorsed him or been influential in having him take the job as AD, and regardless of what he does with Mooney this year, I am inclined to give him an opportunity to succeed or fail based on his own decisions and how they play out. I think that many are coming down way too hard on him and not giving him a fair chance. How long has he been here? The announcement of his hire was a little over a year ago.
I think the same is true, but to a much lesser degree, with respect to Russ Huesman. I think Russ will succeed and make us all proud once he is able to overcome the departure of Rocco and those singularly loyal to Rocco that probably kept them from performing at the level to which they were capable.
In my mind, the true culprit of all of this malignity we are now experiencing with regard to the two major sports at UR is a direct result of the previous hire. Keith Gill did nothing with respect to oversight or leadership. With Gill, IMO, it was not only the Rocco thing which was handled horribly but also his lack of interest and consequent lack of involvement with what was taking place in basketball. Things were not what they should have been for many more than the last two years.
And worth mentioning in this conversation are those, among whom I count myself, who may be better served with a little more patience...in view of the circumstances.
What do we want and when do we want it?
Soooo, Imma take a very deep breath, get behind Lax (men's and women's) and the diamond Spiders so as to get me my fix through the Spring season, and with respect to basketball imma wait yet again for next season...believing that things will be better.
i, most excellent post. Reflects, for the most part, how I feel about the situation as well.
The evidence for not retaining CM is overwhelming, but Hardt is relatively new and not pulling the power levers alone. But in response to your close, I want a new MBB coach and NOW, but not sure Hardt has the power to pull that off.
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I don't disagree with your premise lil i, but when hiring a new coach, procrastination is not our friend. And certainly if Hardt's mind is already made up, there's no reason for him not to say something now if for no other reason than to shut us up.
Don't necessarily disagree with you, I. You raise some good and fair points. At three same time, it feels like we have experienced the perfect storm of things to allow Mooney to underachieve and keep dancing through the raindrops. Miller gives him a ridiculous contact and then retires, so he's not on the hook anymore. Then Gill comes onboard and picks his nose for five years. Now Hardt, seemingly a real AD but one hired through an incredibly questionable process and with red-flag ties to our biggest donor, comes onboard and we need to give him some period of time to get the lay of the land...
I get it, but I also feel like someone has to lead here. Hardt shouldn't need to see three seasons of this to figure out that it's not working.
I get it, but I also feel like someone has to lead here. Hardt shouldn't need to see three seasons of this to figure out that it's not working.
Plus he has 14 years of complete data to run through his hire/fire algorithm.
Why can’t we be the Gonzaga of the east? Why are we hoping we do well in the
A-10, and not nationally.
Gonzaga isn’t much larger than UR, and costs about the same to go there.
We may not be a Jesuit School, does that matter?
Too often we consider getting into the NCAA’s as a goal. Why aren’t we looking
higher.
Lefty Dreisel made Maryland a basketball power by referring to it as the UCLA of the
East. Why can’t we be the Gonzaga of the East?
If we set our goals higher (which obviously we haven’t) maybe we can be a basketball
power too. I don’t want want to hear the crap about our academics, we’re not MIT.
A-10, and not nationally.
Gonzaga isn’t much larger than UR, and costs about the same to go there.
We may not be a Jesuit School, does that matter?
Too often we consider getting into the NCAA’s as a goal. Why aren’t we looking
higher.
Lefty Dreisel made Maryland a basketball power by referring to it as the UCLA of the
East. Why can’t we be the Gonzaga of the East?
If we set our goals higher (which obviously we haven’t) maybe we can be a basketball
power too. I don’t want want to hear the crap about our academics, we’re not MIT.
Amen, Annap! It's really difficult to fathom that those of us on this board have loftier aspirations for the program than the people in charge of it, but my fear is that that's the case. What a shame if so.
Annap, EL, completely agree. Just look across the city to VCU. They are basically right on the cusp of becoming Gonzaga of the East. As I recall Gonzaga had many a year in which they were good, but couldn't quite get into that elite category. Heck, VCU already had the final four run.
At the time, I was not a fan of the move to the A10 - I was in the camp of: We always have a shot to win the CAA tourney, let's stay here.
I do think we have a lot going for us (other than our coach) and since we did move to the A10 - we should go along with the goal of being good enough to garner an autobid and be a national program like VCU. It is really odd that so many Mooney supporters don't feel this way.
At the time, I was not a fan of the move to the A10 - I was in the camp of: We always have a shot to win the CAA tourney, let's stay here.
I do think we have a lot going for us (other than our coach) and since we did move to the A10 - we should go along with the goal of being good enough to garner an autobid and be a national program like VCU. It is really odd that so many Mooney supporters don't feel this way.
ispider, good post. Hardt has been the AD for 15 months now, if he hasn't gotten to know and established relationships with all of the major players (major donors, BOT, President, etc...) involved with our athletic department by now, than perhaps he is not up to the job. Further, if he can't look at Mooney track record over the past 8 years and discern the patterns and trajectory of things, than perhaps he doesn't have the "vision" neccesary to lead our athletics to another level.
I don't think this board or others have been particularly harsh on Hardt, I think most of us have understood that he needed some time to get the lay of the land. 15 months should be more than enough time to do so.
I don't think this board or others have been particularly harsh on Hardt, I think most of us have understood that he needed some time to get the lay of the land. 15 months should be more than enough time to do so.
95% of “Mooney supporters” at this point are personal friends, acquaintances, coworkers of CM’s. They dont care about the health of the program, they care about protecting CM. I cant see how anyone disagrees w that at this point.
you can't see how anyone disagrees with the 95% figure that you pulled out of thin air?
It is sad seeing the dumpster fire our progtam has become while just over six miles away that other D1 program thrives!
He didn't pull it out of thin air. He surveyed 20 Mooney supporters from Section 5, and 19 of them responded that they were family, friends, or AD employees.
Actually, the number is actually double that. There are 190% of Spider fans who think the future is bright. The future is open to those who seize the moment and who are never afraid to take risks. Onward and upward.
I would be very surprised if there was a formal announcement. There is no reason for it unless the contract is terminated. How often does an athletic department announce that a coach will not be fired who has 3 or 4 years left on his contract? If he says anything it would be indirectly.
When an unhappy fan base puts up a billboard asking for his firing, I think that warrants some kind of public statement.
A lot of people on this board are voicing extreme depression with the program. A few are not going to give again, some are going to stop giving and a few are not going to renew their tickets. Do you really think this is going to have any impact? Do you think anyone outside of people on this board care? Nothing is going to change the fact that Mooney is coming back next year as our coach. It is time you so called fans start supporting the players
Here is the deal, next year we are going to have an extremely talented team, our record is going to improve significantly, attendance is going to be way up, Mooney will keep his job the follow year when we will be even better and then sign contact extension. Hopefully, the University will provide counseling for those that need it.
Here is the deal, next year we are going to have an extremely talented team, our record is going to improve significantly, attendance is going to be way up, Mooney will keep his job the follow year when we will be even better and then sign contact extension. Hopefully, the University will provide counseling for those that need it.
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No depression here. Took some of the money earmarked for the Spider Club/ season tickets and traveled down to Columbia. I needed a fix on good defensive basketball and watch a nice guy who knows how to recruit and coach. Showed your above message to my UVA friends who laughed their collective asses off.
In other words, "Just shut up, give us your money, and come and enjoy the games, no matter the outcome."
My only question is...when did you return from the future?
If we are going to turn predictions into proclamations then maybe it could be this...
Here is the deal, next year we are going to have an extremely talented team, our record is going to be exactly the same, attendance is going to be half, Mooney will keep his job the following year when we will be even better with the same record and then sign a contract extension. Hopefully, the University will provide counseling for those that need it.
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Why is it every truther must resort to derogatory name calling? Seems like a hallmark of the truther crowd.
guys you're all better than this -- one of our female readers sent me a private message regarding this thread and was rightfully insulted -- clean it up!
Yeah I don't buy that BS that we can't support the players and not support the coach. The players wouldn't dare rock the boat so whatever they say has to be taken with a grain of salt.
Miss Cleo can see that ain't gonna happen. Your crystal ball is broken.
Losing changed the board, but it is sad.
T, or should I say, Tea? When did you get back from London, Bruv? and how long were you there, Guv???
I think your wicket might still be a little sticky. I've never seen a progression that jumped over Bro and Brah and went straight to Bruv. Interesting,Tea, interesting.
Why would you mention that it was a female? Do different standards apply to them? Did she ask that you identify her by gender?
Sexism, though often subtle, rears its ugly head in many venues.
I'm inclined to say shame, shame, shame, but wait.
Stop. Hold on.
Maybe you were just thinking like a girl.
I think the people on this board need to prepare themselves for Mooney getting a contact extension either at the end of next season or the following. He has the wind at his back with a high quality and experienced team entering next season. If the team does well the next 2 years, there is a very high probability he gets an extension. If the team doesn't do well he will either be fired or his contract will not be renewed. I think the odds are in his favor
