FIRE MOONEY
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While I don't agree with or approve of a thread suggesting we fire our coach, I think some introspection is fair. Competitive teams don't shoot this poorly from the free throw line. I expect some streakiness but too many games could have been won just by making free throws.
I can live with some of the idiosyncrasies that drive other people nuts (coaching rigidity, off nights shooting the three, playing time decisions, etc.) but free throws should be a gimme for the shooters we recruit.
Fix that please.
I can live with some of the idiosyncrasies that drive other people nuts (coaching rigidity, off nights shooting the three, playing time decisions, etc.) but free throws should be a gimme for the shooters we recruit.
Fix that please.
From ESPN.com
Richmond used only seven players, three for at least 41 minutes and two others for 30. The seventh player, Khwan Fore, played seven minutes, leading Spiders coach Chris Mooney to agree it was possible his players got tired.
"It's definitely possible," Mooney said. "I think our depth is something I just need to make sure we do a little better job on. We have a couple of freshmen that can play and I haven't played them enough. And I think I need to trust them a little bit more."
Richmond used only seven players, three for at least 41 minutes and two others for 30. The seventh player, Khwan Fore, played seven minutes, leading Spiders coach Chris Mooney to agree it was possible his players got tired.
"It's definitely possible," Mooney said. "I think our depth is something I just need to make sure we do a little better job on. We have a couple of freshmen that can play and I haven't played them enough. And I think I need to trust them a little bit more."
It's definitely possible we've heard that same quote or very similar wording...how many times this season? Does anyone really think that he'll use the bench more often as the season progresses?
A technical should be called on UR for every post you make on here.
Poor FT shooting and poor on the floor decision-making down the stretch is a result of fatigue which is the result of basically playing 5-6 guys almost exclusively. No amount of conditioning can compensate for such a shallow rotation (7th player in the rotation only played 6-7 minutes).
We gave that game away at the end of regulation and simply ran out of gas in OT.
Tired of hearing the excuses from CM about forgetting to play his bench players more, he just needs to do it.
We gave that game away at the end of regulation and simply ran out of gas in OT.
Tired of hearing the excuses from CM about forgetting to play his bench players more, he just needs to do it.
But when we're up by 20 against La Salle we don't give these guys some minutes? I still think they are not in good enough shape. Unless things have changed I recall Mooney claiming players don't need conditioning, 'they can play themselves into condition during practice'. Is my memory accurate?
I think that this post is right on target. Don't know whether you meant it as sarcasm or not.
Bad bench manager. Less flexible than ever with his schemes. Mediocre recruiter. Not sure why he is revered. I just don't feel like he has coached any team up ever. He gets a boatload of money for getting us to the NIT every year, save one.
You must not be on the boards much to say he is "revered".
Honestly, I really hope Chris can put together another Sweet 16, if only because he can get lured away elsewhere, flip some vocal detractors the double bird, and let them get what they really deserve here, which is probably a Latrell Scott-esque hire for our basketball program.
If the school administration makes a bad "Latrell Scott" type of hire that is on them, NOT on the basketball supporters who seek a higher quality program.
I am confident that those who express concerns about the program do so because they desire a better on-floor product. Examination of one's words can reveal much about their character.
You run to the board every time something goes wrong to take a lighter to the program... I challenge you on it ...and I'm the one that lacks character.
Ok. I've got it.
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CM recruits the players, then decides who's on the floor. Trey Davis is a 40% free throw shooter, so there should be no surprise that he didn't make the free throws late in the game. How can you say it's not on Mooney?
I heard that too, and was really disappointed. In Mooney's world, Lou Gehrig would not have had much of a career.
Be careful what you wish for. Do you trust Gill and Crutcher to make an upgrade in football or men's hoops? Neither of them has had to hire either a football or basketball coach yet. All of Gill's coaches have come with the program he took over (Jeff Jones was there when he took over AU and he was there when he left). If anything, it tells me that Gill likes the status quo. Mooney's here for the long haul, people.
I used football because that, along with men's hoops, are the revenue sports on campus.
I used football because that, along with men's hoops, are the revenue sports on campus.
+1. But run over here to burn the whole thing down every week and a half folks! It's good livin'!
I watched a great game in person yesterday. Both teams were good, with warts, and played tremendous offense. I saw UR have a chance to finish the first half, win at the end of regulation, and win at the end of OT. At the end of the first half, SDJ screwed it up again by shooting with 6 secs to go. That was NOT what he was supposed to do, and not on Mooney, who chewed him out on the way to the locker room. At the end of regulation, SuperGod Marshall Wood missed a point-blank tip in at the rim. At the end of OT, Terry Allen missed a wide open foul line jumper. In between, we missed 15 of 18 wide open 3 pointers. TJ missed two critical foul shots. Terry disappeared. SDJ got his pocket picked at midcourt at the most critical possession of the game. And many other things that happened during the course of the game that are part of amateur basketball.
Yes, there were some coaching issues--the technical foul for example--but some of you are so blinded by your preferred narrative that every single loss is entirely attributable to coaching that it is so far beyond absurd.
Yes, there were some coaching issues--the technical foul for example--but some of you are so blinded by your preferred narrative that every single loss is entirely attributable to coaching that it is so far beyond absurd.
Agree with most of your points, and despite some critical comments above I'm not on the "fire Mooney" bandwagon. However, I do find the decision to start Taylor to be inexplicable (though not surprising), and share the frustration that many feel with Mooney's evident stubbornness.
Mooney is doing a very good job. The missed free throws was the problem. That and Jones shooting a three with too much time left at the end of the first half.
Relax, we will be through this .
Relax, we will be through this .
Mooney is the highest paid coach in the league. Do our results indicate that he is the best coach in the league or that he has built the best program in the league?
Revered enough in that he is still here after years of UR constantly being on the bubble. He has not elevated our profile. I don't feel that we are that much above a Latrell Scott program. We haven't gotten anywhere. We haven't improved. We seem content to settle for what we now have. It's simply not very good. When we hired him he was "young and upcoming." Now he is middle-aged and middling. We know what we have here. It's mediocre recruiting and mediocre game management.
Why did we miss all the FTs at the end? First we aren't particularly good at shooting them. Second, everyone in the game was exhausted. What else should we have expected? If the quote about conditioning not being important is true, that is negligence. Especially if you are going to run a six person rotation.
Most of the things you have cited here are related to poor game management. Some bad decisions but missed shots at the end of the game are most probably related to exhaustion. And if we don't have trustworthy players to go into the game, who is responsible for that? The recruiter/coach.
It was an exciting game to listen to. I just feel like we are repeating the same thing over and over again while expecting different results. Insanity, right?
At the end of the day, the players wear the jerseys and make or don't make the plays.
BUT in many ways the loss yesterday was a reflection of our recruiting failures over the past few years. To be stuck with what basically amounts to a 6.5 man rotation when we don't really have any serious injuries is ridiculous if you ask me, and it is a further coaching failure to not develop our current freshman to the point where they can play more than mop up minutes and give the starters longer, more meaningful breaks. We should be recruiting guys who can contribute more as true freshmen, and Mooney shouldn't be so blindly loyal to his seniors.
CM blows a lot of smoke up our collective a$$ with his "I forgot to play the freshman", or "I should trust them more" commentary. Our guys were dead near the end of regulation and in the OT yesterday, and made mental mistakes and missed FT's that cost us the game. What do you expect when the Lambs are cycling 8 or 9 guys into the game and we run our 6.5 guys into the floor?
We need to recruit better over a multi-year period, and do a better job preparing/developing the guys we have to make more meaningful contributions. CM needs to break the current pattern.
BUT in many ways the loss yesterday was a reflection of our recruiting failures over the past few years. To be stuck with what basically amounts to a 6.5 man rotation when we don't really have any serious injuries is ridiculous if you ask me, and it is a further coaching failure to not develop our current freshman to the point where they can play more than mop up minutes and give the starters longer, more meaningful breaks. We should be recruiting guys who can contribute more as true freshmen, and Mooney shouldn't be so blindly loyal to his seniors.
CM blows a lot of smoke up our collective a$$ with his "I forgot to play the freshman", or "I should trust them more" commentary. Our guys were dead near the end of regulation and in the OT yesterday, and made mental mistakes and missed FT's that cost us the game. What do you expect when the Lambs are cycling 8 or 9 guys into the game and we run our 6.5 guys into the floor?
We need to recruit better over a multi-year period, and do a better job preparing/developing the guys we have to make more meaningful contributions. CM needs to break the current pattern.
what are you talking about. We'll be through this? Next year or the year after that or the year after that We've seen the same mediocre results for years.
the missed free throws looked to be more nerves than exhaustion It's kind of sad considering it was a senior and junior.
I think recruiting has improved starting with our current true freshmen. And our 2016 class is a special class with more to be added. 2017 class looks to be off to a good start as well.
You can't fire the players AND they were all the Coach's recruit and he's the guy responsible for coaching them to improve. Not calling time out when we're down a basket with seconds left is a big one. Not playing freshman when we have 20 point leads and minutes left, is a coaching decision. Continuing to start Deion is a coaching decision. Leaving Trey in there during foul time is a coaching decision, and on and on. The results are what he is paid a lot of money to produce they simply haven't been there. He is the man in charge, it's where the buck stops.
