I agree with you kneepad, but Gilyard is far from the career leader in points at Richmond. I don’t believe he is in the top 10 and is probably around 800 points below Newman
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I agree with you kneepad, but Gilyard is far from the career leader in points at Richmond. I don’t believe he is in the top 10 and is probably around 800 points below Newman
yeah, this. and beyond '22.
they let everyone currently in college get extra years if they want them because they missed a postseason last year and this year wasn't normal (even though they played). well the last year wasn't normal for high school kids either.
I don't know how colleges will plan their recruiting the next 4 years. I don't think everyone will just accept the cost of extra scholarships if kids plan to stay. and I don't know if we'll even know which kids plan on staying for the extra year for the next 3 years.
plus it's hard enough for young guys to earn minutes on a team with 13 scholarships. try it with 16 or 17. hard to even get on the floor in practice with that many.
So be it. Life ain’t fair. They chose to reward everyone who was in college when this happened, which I don’t have a problem with. A lot of kids aren’t going to take advantage of it anyway. It will present a minor issue for some future players, but no one program has an advantage or disadvantage here.
I'm not talking about programs. just saying there will be high school kids who get screwed here.
college kids didn't get a tournament last year. they had a few less games this year. and few or no fans. but they get an extra year of scholarship if they want it.
seems a lot worse for the high school kids. especially those who never get a scholarship because of this.
college kids didn't get a tournament last year. they had a few less games this year. and few or no fans. but they get an extra year of scholarship if they want it.
seems a lot worse for the high school kids. especially those who never get a scholarship because of this.
Someone is getting screwed either way. The NCAA opted to lessen the screw job on the athletes who had last year or this year interrupted because of factors they couldn’t control. I have no problem with that. Kids a year or two or four down the line will be just fine.
Oh heck, the NCAA rules keep changing every year. It will eventually get to where the NCAA drops all pretenses and these kids will just have a job playing basketball getting paid and not bothering to attend class. The VCU model. 😊
I have no problem with paying players under one condition. They have to go to class and make the grades. When was the last time anybody heard of a college athlete being declared academically ineligible? 30-40 years ago it was quite common.
Sorry about that, meant steals and assists. And on top of that scored 1500 points.
To PA's question -- no, he was less aggressive for the vast majority of the year, I think to try and get everyone else involved. We were better in the two NIT games where he had to be aggressive and look for his offense.
But I think you would have to agree that he's going down as one of the best guards ever to wear a Richmond uniform. (Please note, I am not saying "most accomplished").
The Class of '21 will be ok because of the "roster size" expansion to accommodate returning seniors. That expansion only lasts a year. The Class of '22, and to a lesser extent the following years, will have a lot of players who would normally get a scholarship at a Division I school, but there won't be spaces available.
Yes, I think he was too passive to a fault. Maybe too focused on the steals as well? Either way, Mooney should have instructed him to be more aggressive and found a way to maximize his offensive capabilities this year. To be clear, I completely agree that Gilyard has been a great player for us and probably deserves a banner, especially if he breaks the steals record. But I just felt that he took a step back offensively this year.
Regarding the rosters for teams, did I hear that only players that stay at the same school will not count towards the scholarship limits? So if Gilyard had wanted to transfer elsewhere, his scholarship there would have to be among the 13 allotted. But for us it does not count towards that limit.
I was not sure if that was the implication of what I heard last week somewhere or not.
I was not sure if that was the implication of what I heard last week somewhere or not.
Not once did I attribute ALL the teams success to Blake. But he was a big part of the reason the team finished 24-7 last after losing 40 games the two previous seasons when he wasn't playing. Kid was a 2nd team all conference player both his years in the a10. Which is why I will never understand the constant Blake criticism when talking about Jacob or any other player. All he did was help contribute to the teams success. Also if you do your research you would find out that all Blake has done is win. He is a winner which showed through the course of his career at Richmond. And to be fair Cayo's improved FT % is not the reason they won 24 games in '19. Cayo has been a ghost since he scored his career 1k points vs. St Joes.
Well the team was never fully healthy this year so the best team ever we will never truly know. I don't know what your expectations for Richmond are but they sound like they are unrealistic. Had everything not been shut down last year UR would have gotten an at large bid. Which is all you can ask for from a mid major team. This year was unique. Two covid pauses where guys weren't allowed to even touch a basketball for two weeks at a time as well as a number of tough injuries. It was one of those type of seasons. The only team with a better record than UR in conference last year was Dayton who was ranked top 5 in the country. So again I don't understand what all the fuss is about. This is not Duke or Carolina.
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Hardt and Mooney love fans like you as well, keep donating and they will keep competing for you!
And it’s not vcu Davidson st bonaventure Iona Belmont uncg hofstra Murray st either. Could go on & on.
The good players will still get scholarships and still play in D1. Redshirting is still an option for those who want to maintain four years of eligibility but spread it over an extra year, too. Bottom line: Life ain't fair sometimes. Make the best of it.
Richmond was not guaranteed an at-large bid last year. See: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.es...pdated-look-wildest-bubble-years?platform=amp
The relevant part:
“Richmond finds itself in the suspenseful position of being shown in the NCAA tournament by some mock brackets and out of the field by others. In other words, it's close, and the Spiders' bracket in the Atlantic 10 tournament could allow them to gain just enough ground to make the cut. A potential quarterfinal against Davidson, for example, would be a high Quad 2 opportunity, as would a possible semifinal against Rhode Island. Wins there could be enough for a team with a top-40 NET ranking and a 24-7 record highlighted by the 10-point neutral-floor win over Wisconsin (though Badgers fans hasten to point out that the contest was played before Micah Potter became eligible).”
This to me says we still had work to do last year in the A-10 tourney, and maybe would’ve had to make the finals to be enough. Let’s please stop rewriting history to say that sans Covid, Richmond was definitely in the NCAA’s last year. The evidence says it was not a sure thing.
Yes, and all of that and we managed one watered down NIT bid out of it. Granted we would have gotten at least an NIT bid last year, but still, all time UR player and that is what Mooney delivered. Particularly with the supporting caste he had.
Agree with PA, Gilly had some significant offensive issues this year, which Mooney was unable (or unwilling to correct). Although, he certainly looked might good in the NIT after injuries forced Mooney's hand with how he managed the teams, players and minute distribution.
Whoop de effing do. Memphis won the NIT this weekend (by spanking Mississippi St). You might have missed it because I don't know the Sweet 16 games were on all weekend and no one cares about the NIT and the teams battling out for who is the 70th best team.
And yes, Mississippi State is not very good. They finished sub. 500 in SEC, good enough for 9th in the SEC, including getting manhandled by Vandy down the stretch and then a near 40 point drubbing by Alabama in the SEC tournament. Yet, they still beat us in the NIT though.
As for the A-10, yeah it does not get enough credit but this year we went 1-6 in postseason. The only victory being our NIT win over Toledo. Not exactly a strong showing .
This is the mindset a few of us have grown to hate over the years. I can guarantee Dick Tarrant and John Beilein expected NCAA's more years than not. It is not unrealistic, and if you aim to be a VCU, SDSU, Dayton, St. Mary's etc etc and you fall short, you still have a chance to be a TON BETTER than we have been the last several years. As I noted on a thread I started, the over arching theme of this basketball program is comfort. And now apparently more interested in promoting individual accolades over team accomplishment. Yes, mid major has disadvantages, BUT that is why hiring the right head coach is super critical. Richmond has a lot over Bonnies, Duquesne, LaSalle, etc but just the head coach to get us where we (some fans) want to go.
The team deserves kudos for a job well done, but we need to reach higher.
Rick that's the old Philly Bob expectation. Though you won't hear that from Philly Bob anymore. Move the goalposts...the UR athletics model. And yours is quite reasonable if not generous. Really the minimum expectation.
My sources tell me that when Philly Bob said it on the radio he had his fingers crossed and when it went to commercial break he actually mumbled "Every 4 years TIMES 3" and then laughed like Jabba the Hardt.
My sources tell me that when Philly Bob said it on the radio he had his fingers crossed and when it went to commercial break he actually mumbled "Every 4 years TIMES 3" and then laughed like Jabba the Hardt.
LOL. Yea, i was calling into Bob Black on the radio with that discussion about program expectations 4 or 5 years ago. I said that I'd like to see 3 or 4 NCAA's every 10 years and he was telling me that my expectations at UR were a bit high and it should be more of a "every class should go once" deal (basically 2.5 bids over 10 years).
My, how the goalposts have moved.
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I know the argument that there was some work to do, but I still think this class was going last year. that was a good season. I won't pretend it just didn't happen.
I think that’s fair but I think we also can’t chalk up an ncaa trip when that also didn’t happen. Conundrum.
We could be so much more. Sad those in charge don't have the vision or drive to push Spider Basketball to be as good as it can be. We (as a group here) care more about winning than the school does. Again, sad.
I hoped and thought we deserved a bid last year. It was definitely a good season.
But I also won’t concede that we weren’t a lock for the tourney and can’t give credit for a bid when most thought we still had work to do.
I think both can be true.
Most thought we were clearly in last year. If you look at Bracket Matrix, 80 out of 97 had us in, including a few that had us as high as a 10. I think we were a lock being a 2nd A-10 team, only behind top 5 Dayton, but it is fine if others think we were not.
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All that matters is what is; not what might have been last year or what might be next year. When we get a new coach, I hope all of this changes. Until then I have doubts.
true & if the tourney was selected that Friday instead of Sunday I was very confident too. But the last couple days have extra importance. And Mooney’s a10 tourney performance is putrid we all know that. We lose to Davidson where we r probably only 60/40 favorites the 80 brackets drops to 40 quick.
by the way welcome back! I won some $ on your return.
My minimum goal is that each 4 year player gets to experience an NCAA in his career, I would prefer they see two. Then the likely hood is each would have one chance where they played limited (backup) and one chance where they were a significant component of the plan
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