Right, there is always an excuse for us. Many examples of this happening,just not us in a long time. Before Buck, maybe Harper (Providence College).
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Again, incorrect. For example, on the current roster, Sherod and Kouressi. On prior rosters, ANO, Trey Davis.
There's enough that is actually wrong without having to make stuff up.
Sherod, who did he have offers from? Trey Davis, he dreamed of UNC, but who did they have offers from. Now who is incorrect???????????
Yep. Unfortunately, there is a lot of that on here. NC State offered ANO, and VT offered Nick.
Wrong again mr. Johnny come lately. I hope you are not associated with our program, but likely are based on your accuracy. I see you are tracking me Mr. Plant. Bring it bro.
If we’re arguing that CM has a strong track record of recruiting over P5 guys, that would be an entertaining debate. Do we ever get guys with P5 offers? Sure. Often? Not so much. I think it would barely be on one hand (Buck, Nick, Sal, ANO, Big Luke, ?). I may be missing a couple but it’s not a regular occurrence.
The question is better served by comparing how we perform against our conference brethren when it comes to securing P5 talent. My guess is we are relatively low on that list. I won’t debate the excuses, that’s been done before. I think the point is there are some reasonably talented guys still available but we don’t seem to be chasing them in spite of an open spot and pretty demonstrable need.
I may be wrong, but I don't think anyone is arguing that. I was only agreeing with kneepad that we have had a few. And, I certainly wouldn't expect us to get a whole lot of them. Have we ever? I don't remember Tarrant, Dooley, Beilein, or Wainwright having a roster of too many of them, so why should Mooney?
You are a mess dude, and pretty soon I'm not going to allow fan1 and 05 to protect you. As many on thus board have alluded, they are on to you.
Same talking points as Bob mr philly Black, Matt Smith & big hat no cattle Hardt.
Yep, not trying to be an a$$, but sick of the big hat talk being shoved down our throat and then this plant posting incestuously on the board while actual fans like moliva are banned. But yes same talking points.
Because with the exception of Ole Jer, those guys didn’t coach in the A10 where you should be able to recruit at a higher level.
I can't buy that reasoning. Who is selling the A-10 right now? Do you really think playing in the A-10 is what gets some of the better recruits in our conference? If we are competing against another mid major, we are supposed to have an advantage by saying "we play in the A-10"? Really? Most kids these days don't even know the difference or care what the difference is in the A-10, the CAA, the MAC, or any other mid major.
He had one year in the A10, so yes technically but we had no legacy in the league while he was recruiting for UR.
Why am I not surprised you can’t buy my reasoning. I can’t help you to be enlightened. If you don’t see that there’s a difference between recruiting to a multibid conference versus a single bid conference, there’s not much I can do to further lift the veil.
But I guess you’re out on the recruiting trail since you seem certain that no one cares.
Maybe you know some that do, but the kids I know don't care. They aren't talking to their buddies about "playing in the A-10", and they aren't bragging about getting recruited by a "multi bid conference". P6? Yes, that gives them a little juice to talk about, but not the A-10. When is the last time the A-10 had a sweet 16 team? 2014? You can think I am wrong all you want, but kids aren't screaming to come play in the A-10.
Hmmm, this guy places himself as some guy that was just hanging at a bar and saw Newman walk by and now he is talking to a bunch if D1 recruits. interesting.
Now this is a coach that recruits and eats, sleeps and breathes basketball .
Now this is a coach that recruits and eats, sleeps and breathes basketball .
I don’t know any kids that are being recruited, I’m operating on long-standing logic.
If you’re actually talking to players who are in the process, I’d be interested to know. I’d be very surprised to hear that they’d rather go play at the JMUs of the world than the VCUs.
He's lying again, I know kids and parents of a few kids that play on NE6, which is a top ranked AAU program. Same AAU team that just sent a player to VCU. I can tell you they are very very cognizant of getting an offer from an A10 team vs Drexel, JMU or Siena. 4700 is obviously clueless on this. I have real people and parents, not making up fake arguments to support my case.
What logic? That multi bid mid major conferences are a huge selling point to kids? Sorry, but that logic is just not accurate. Maybe you should try talking to some kids. It is about the mid major school, team, coach, and program. Not about the conference. If we are competing against a mid major, and try to use the "A-10 is a multi bid league" talk, the other team would simply have to tell the recruit "the A-10 has done nothing in the dance the past 5 years" so as an A-10 team, you better be selling something else. And, yes, admissions and academics do play a role sometimes because some kids care about an education and some don't and some kids can get accepted to play for certain schools and not for other schools. All kids are different, but I don't know any who are choosing an A-10 team over a CAA team because of the conference. A kid will go to JMU or VCU because it is the right fit and/or school for them, not because of the conference.
And how do you get "rather play at the JMUs than VCUs" out of "Most kids these days don't even know the difference or care what the difference is in the A-10, the CAA, the MAC, or any other mid major" or "They aren't talking to their buddies about "playing in the A-10", and they aren't bragging about getting recruited by a "multi bid conference"? When did I say they would rather play at the JMUs than the VCUs? Do you not see the difference in calling something similar and saying one thing is better than the other?
Funny, opposing coaches can say the same exact things about our program. Except that it's been eight years, not five.
So, if the A-10 is supposed to give Mooney this big recruiting advantage over previous coaches who coached when we were in the CAA, how does that work for other teams? Do all A-10 teams have this advantage? The Mountain West, WCC, and Ohio Valley also got multiple bids this year. So, should all the teams in these conferences have a recruiting advantage? Or, is it maybe more about the programs than the conferences? See how flawed your logic is?
Those are not "traditional" multi-bid leagues. The only "traditional" multi-bid leagues outside of the P6 are the A10 and AAC.
I think conference affiliation might be overblown as a recruiting tool (but it is not nothing); what we should be evaluating is how we are doing relative to the rest of the A10.
Something we can agree on. Our program is spiralling down under Mooney's leadership. And to further follow your arguement, we're a bad program in a non P6 conference. Must be really tough to recruit to that. Many here, including you, define a top 4 finish in a bad conference as the definition of a successful season? Not me. Maybe I'll live long enough to see better days. There's hope.
The Mountain West and WCC are very much traditional multi bid conferences. The past 8 seasons, I think the WCC and Mountain West have only been a one bid conference twice each. They have certainly been enough of a factor to be mentioned with the A-10, especially when they have had better teams lately.
You remind me of Whack-a-mole, just swinging away at whatever thing pops up.
Your contention is that CM is no worse at landing players with P5 offers than the coaches that have come before him. I candidly don’t have the data at hand to counter that although I expect he’s been about the same as them. He should be better than that.
We have the benefit of now being in a better conference with better facilities, more opportunity to schedule good ooc tournaments and games, and generally provide more opportunities to make the ncaa tournament, than any of those coaches had. It’s not a wild leap to think we should be able to recruit better than we have.
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No thanks. Maybe some don't care if I do or not, but I doubt they want certain things posted on a message board. So, I am supposed to mention a guy's name, and say he doesn't care about the A-10 name, and just let other teams use that against him? Really? If you don't believe me, fine. That is your choice.
We don't believe you. You exhausted your credibility on here a long time ago.
Exactly, this guy is a charlatan. Now he is in touch with a bunch of recruit able D1 kids? I really hope he is not associated with our program in an official way, though I have a strong fear that he is and is posing as a Johnny Newman Era fan, that was posting on Hokie boards until the last two years - and decided to jump back on the Spider bandwagon.
Anyway, if anyone wants to private message me I can give you real names and families that know the difference between getting a Dayton, Richmond, or VCU offer vs Delaware or Towson. Though a few more years of Mooney and we will keep us falling lower in the pecking order.
I'm just going by verbal commits for Sherod and Sal. 247 has NC State for ANO. Penn State for Big Luke. For Trey, it was "being recruited by" instead of a hard offer from Virginia, Virginia Tech, and a couple others.
Your statement was, "Before Buck, maybe Harper." I'm pointing out that that statement is hyperbole at best, but more likely deliberately misleading, because it's not true based on publicly available information often used as substantive evidence on here for recruiting.
Never said the A-10 was not a multi bid conference, although it sure did flirt with being a one bid league this year. I hope you or no one else is trying to sell the A-10 as a good conference right now. Where is SpiderK when I need him?
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