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Atlantic 10 recruiting update

In the recent CBS preseason poll the A10 have two top 25 teams listed. VCU at 19 and Davidson at 24.



Rothstein could have also listed the Billikens, Spiders and other teams.
The league will be strong next season and even in down years has managed to send at least two teams.

 
It is twisted. If the A10 is not a good league then there is no reason not to be vying for a top 3 spot year in and year out. If you do well in OOC and get a top 3 seed you have a great chance for an at-large. It is the way it is. Even in down years the selection committee has enough respect to send the top team if they get upset in the A10 tournament. That does not happen in every league.
 
It is twisted. If the A10 is not a good league then there is no reason not to be vying for a top 3 spot year in and year out. If you do well in OOC and get a top 3 seed you have a great chance for an at-large. It is the way it is. Even in down years the selection committee has enough respect to send the top team if they get upset in the A10 tournament. That does not happen in every league.

I agree. I never said the A-10 was not a multi bid conference. The debate was whether or not being in the A-10 made it easier for Mooney to get recruits. My point was it did not, and it was more about the individual school and program than the A-10. I just don't think coaches are out there saying, "why play in the CAA when you can play in the A-10"? I was actually being generous when talking CAA, because we were also talking about getting some guys with P6 offers. So, especially when looking at it that way, how on earth is the A-10 a selling point if compared to P6?

If some of you think there is an advantage to being in the A-10 recruiting wise, I would say that has to wiped out anyway by the fact that some schools in the A-10 allow kids that we don't. So, where is this big advantage? Bottom line is there is not one. This is just another chosen reason to get on our coach.
 
an A10 offer is considered a bigger offer than a CAA offer. well, maybe not Fordham. but certainly Richmond.

but there are schools in the CAA and Patriot League, etc. that I would take an offer from over some A10 schools ... mainly due to academics. it's definitely school specific, but yes the conference does matter. and it's definitely kid specific. academic reputation, school size, and urban vs suburban setting are big factors and not the same for everyone.

no question we had too many swings and misses 4-5 years ago. and those misses are magnified when two of the home runs leave the program. but I'm very happy with the recruiting the last 3 years including the current Burton & Crabtree class. I think we have more talent than we've had in a long time.
 
Every season various A10 teams beat out P5, AAC and Big East programs for players. It is the coaches job to sell the program and the conference. Being a multi-bid league is a selling point.
Yes, I think the head coach's recruiting ability is paramount. I have seen TJ's former coach, now at Hofstra win some pretty impressive recruiting battles. Hurley at URI got some nice one's ( I believe EC Matthews and Jared Terrel were more highly rated than any recruit we have had in past 10 years). It can be done, we just need our coaches to do it more often. Also, guys like Gonzo, Kevin Smith, Geriot and even Buck had a real pit bull, winners mentality. Hopefully we have a couple like that on this year's team.
 
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Every season various A10 teams beat out P5, AAC and Big East programs for players. It is the coaches job to sell the program and the conference. Being a multi-bid league is a selling point.

Just going by what I know and hear. There are always case by case examples, and others might be hearing different things. I'm not trying to pretend like I have a pulse on every kid and coach out there. The past few years, the A-10 is not what it used to be, and the kids are different now than they used to be. They just are. Maybe, it can get back to being a good selling point. I just don't see that right now.
 
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The Mountain West and WCC are very much traditional multi bid conferences. The past 8 seasons, I think the WCC and Mountain West have only been a one bid conference twice each. They have certainly been enough of a factor to be mentioned with the A-10, especially when they have had better teams lately.
You may be right. I'm thinking of national CBB coverage that says there are very few bids to be had outside the P5, Big East, AAC and A-10.

In the 11 years before this season, the A10 sent a minimum of 3 teams to the tournament. Since our last bid, the conference sent 6 one year and 5 another. I don't think the WCC or MWC have had that kind of track record. You do. It's all good.
 
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You may be right. I'm thinking of national CBB coverage that says there are very few bids to be had outside the P5, Big East, AAC and A-10.

In the 11 years before this season, the A10 sent a minimum of 3 teams to the tournament. Since our last bid, the conference sent 6 one year and 5 another. I don't think the WCC or MWC have had that kind of track record. You do. It's all good.

I hear you, and I think we can all agree that it would be good if the A-10 could get back to, if not getting five or six teams in the tournament, at least having five or six teams in the conversation.
 
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It is interesting that you have a pessimistic view of the league but not the team. Next year, VCU, Davidson, Rhody, Dayton, SLU and Bona will all have strong teams. Richmond's core is also strong. I think the A10 will be tough next year and there is no reason the league cannot continue in that direction. In the last two seasons the league has been down yet they still sent multiple teams to the NCAA tournament. A good program is able to sell their league and team no matter what.
 
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It is interesting that you have a pessimistic view of the league but not the team. Next year, VCU, Davidson, Rhody, Dayton, SLU and Bona will all have strong teams. Richmond's core is also strong. I think the A10 will be strong next year and there is no reason the league cannot continue in that direction. In the last two seasons the league has been down yet they still sent multiple teams to the NCAA tournament. A good program is able to sell their league and team no matter what.

He has a chronic case of Mooney excuse syndrome. You know what would make the A-10 better. One of its premier programs not playing like Fordham that past 2 years.
 
He has a chronic case of Mooney excuse syndrome. You know what would make the A-10 better. One of its premier programs not playing like Fordham that past 2 years.
A conference gets respect when the middle to lower half of the conference is competitive. Dambrot has done an outstanding job of building his Duquesne program. Coach Mooney has a good core of players and he needs to recruit for depth.
 
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A conference gets respect when the middle to lower half of the conference is competitive. Dambrot has done an outstanding job of building his Duquesne program. Coach Mooney has a good core of players and he needs to recruit for depth.

Agreed. Dayton, Rhody, VCU, St. Louis, Davidson are all going to be good next year and are perennially good.. Dambrot has made Duquesne a program on the rise and Schmidt has already arrived there with his St. Bonnie program. That is 6 solid programs, plus Duquesne seemingly getting its house in order. Those are your upper echelon programs right now.

GW and St. Joes made coaching changes. I like GW's hire. Not sure about St. Joe's yet. LaSalle and Fordham should just disband their program. ,

I think us, Mason, and UMass are all programs that the rest of the league is like WTF is going on. All should be much better than they are but yet they aren't.
 
Just going by what I know and here. There are always case by case examples, and others might be hearing different things. I'm not trying to pretend like I have a pulse on every kid and coach out there. The past few years, the A-10 is not what it used to be, and the kids are different now than they used to be. They just are. Maybe, it can get back to being a good selling point. I just don't see that right now.

Well Mooney has been in the A10 a lot longer than the past few years.
 
Beilein coached in the CAA and the e A-10

I don't know why, but this post reminds me of Happy Gilmore:

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Never said the A-10 was not a multi bid conference, although it sure did flirt with being a one bid league this year. I hope you or no one else is trying to sell the A-10 as a good conference right now. Where is SpiderK when I need him?
Down year last year. Very much up this coming year. I expect 3 minimum. Check out the teams, experience and recruits.
 
URI just got 2020 commitment from 4* recruit with lot of P6 offers...

https://www.providencejournal.com/sports/20190527/four-star-guard-elijah-wood-commits-to-uri

Also VCU forced out an end of roster player for presumably a new guy to help immediately here in 2019-20.

Meanwhile in an extremely important year we have an OPEN ship and crickets. Zero reason not to get a grad transfer who can at least play D and help depth inside. Even though JOC said UR has open ship I'm not completely convinced of it with the Yates fiasco. We already know UR is in favor of rule requiring 2 year athletic aid to grad transfers. When UR admin inexplicably assumed Yates would get 2 years I can actually see them guaranteeing him the 2 year MBA ship w athletic aid. Otherwise I think you'd hear at least a murmur or two about a 2019 or grad transfer. Maybe it will come later in summer, like Kwesi and JMA. Hope so or this is a bad screw up, either by losing an important ship or perhaps even worse holding it by choice. While a grad transfer would be much better imo even with a 2019 you will have something open up next year from a departure.
 
G, excellent points. And as you note, our A10 competition continues to bring g in top rates guys, though 4700 tries to make us believe it is impossible. BS, we just need better recruiters. Sounds like possibly we screwed up the Yates thing and are down a ship.
 
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URI just got 2020 commitment from 4* recruit with lot of P6 offers...

https://www.providencejournal.com/sports/20190527/four-star-guard-elijah-wood-commits-to-uri

Also VCU forced out an end of roster player for presumably a new guy to help immediately here in 2019-20.

Meanwhile in an extremely important year we have an OPEN ship and crickets. Zero reason not to get a grad transfer who can at least play D and help depth inside. Even though JOC said UR has open ship I'm not completely convinced of it with the Yates fiasco. We already know UR is in favor of rule requiring 2 year athletic aid to grad transfers. When UR admin inexplicably assumed Yates would get 2 years I can actually see them guaranteeing him the 2 year MBA ship w athletic aid. Otherwise I think you'd hear at least a murmur or two about a 2019 or grad transfer. Maybe it will come later in summer, like Kwesi and JMA. Hope so or this is a bad screw up, either by losing an important ship or perhaps even worse holding it by choice. While a grad transfer would be much better imo even with a 2019 you will have something open up next year from a departure.

I don't get why you would be so bothered if we have an open scholarship right now. We should go about 10 deep next year. Could we use more inside guys? Probably, but so could nearly every mid major, and the reality is most mid majors do not have great inside depth. You say zero reason to not get a grad transfer who can play D? Think of what you are asking for here. You are thinking it should be easy for us to find a guy who graduated from his current school, who wants to leave there and come to a new school, and who wants to do all that just so he can back up Grant and "play some D". Is that really that attractive to a grad transfer?
 
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You only get 13 scholarships, leaving one open is a neglect of the most basic duties that a college coaching staff has - coming off back to back 20 loss seasons and no NCAAs in 8 years, to not turn over every stone to find a player is absurd.
 
You only get 13 scholarships, leaving one open is a neglect of the most basic duties that a college coaching staff has - coming off back to back 20 loss seasons and no NCAAs in 8 years, to not turn over every stone to find a player is absurd.

Why fill the last scholarship just to fill it? If you can find someone to help next season, sure, get him, but if not, there is no reason to waste the final scholarship. We are in a roster situation with 5 juniors and 4 sophomores who should all get playing time this year. Add Burton and we are 10 deep, and add Crabtree next year, and we could be 11 deep next year with no seniors. Rather than use all the scholarships just to use them, I would rather have one for next year in case we don't lose anyone, and if we do lose someone, it would not be a bad thing to have 2 scholarships for next year. But, the last thing I want is to fill the final scholarship just to fill it, then no one leaves, and we have 0 scholarships for next year. That is way worse than leaving one on the table this year.
 
I understand the argument others are making, but have to agree with VT on this one. Why bring someone to ride the bench and not give any real backup to Grant etc. And for those that want a change, anything more than a GT takes away a potential scholarship for the next guy.
 
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Why can’t we find a non-bench rider? Others schools do.

Exactly by a few of those posts you’d think I was advocating for a stiff. I don’t want a Kwesi or Jma, but we can do better than that. Excuses excuses why we can’t. Heck we got Yates last year. He was serviceable certainly, wish still had him but we screwed that up. He’s not a big guy but at least it proved we can land better player as grad than a Kwesi or jma regardless.

Look it’s a numbers game. 13 ships better chance to hit on extra guy. 12 ships less chance. Yes it’s a complete waste to not go for it. Like Marley said if we swing & miss on a grad no harm. Been there done that. But at least we gave the team & program the best odds & effort. A grad transfer u still save it. I’m much more in favor of grad. Now I still say we ain’t jeopardizing a ship for 2020 anyway if we took another frosh. We’ll have regular transfer like verbinskis, or a grad transfer. High odds just the way it is. No risk with grad so that’s way I’d go. Not using it on at least a grad transfer is cololassly dumb imo. Mooney is a lot of things but I’d never call him dumb so I’m still expecting a grad transfer...assuming ship is there to use.

Btw why did we get Wocjik late last year? We had 12 on ship then. He was 13. I guess the holding argument could have been made last year too and then we wouldn’t have Wojcik now.

Again maybe we really don’t have the ship. The AD has misrepresented a few things recently I can definitely see them doing the same here and let people believe we r just holding the ship instead of the alternative of looking bad with the Yates thing.
 
If you think we have more than adequate bench depth at the forward/center spots, please raise your hand.

If you think no one will get injured, please raise your hand.

If you think no one will transfer next year, please raise your hand.

We should be hustling hard to get guys in now, lest we always be “young”.
 
Exactly by a few of those posts you’d think I was advocating for a stiff. I don’t want a Kwesi or Jma, but we can do better than that. Excuses excuses why we can’t. Heck we got Yates last year. He was serviceable certainly, wish still had him but we screwed that up. He’s not a big guy but at least it proved we can land better player as grad than a Kwesi or jma regardless.

Look it’s a numbers game. 13 ships better chance to hit on extra guy. 12 ships less chance. Yes it’s a complete waste to not go for it. Like Marley said if we swing & miss no harm. Been there done that. But at least we gave the team & program the best odds & effort. A grad transfer u still save it. I’m much more in favor of grad. But we ain’t jeopardizing a ship for 2020 anyway if we took another frosh. We’ll have regular transfer like verbinskis, or a grad transfer. High odds just the way it is. But not using it is cololassly dumb imo. Mooney is a lot of things but I’d never call him dumb so I’m still expecting a grad transfer...assuming ship is there to use.

Why did we get Wocjik late last year? We had 12 on ship then. He was 13. The holding argument could have been made last year too and then we wouldn’t have Wojcik now.

Again maybe we really don’t have the ship. The AD has misrepresented a few things recently I can definitely see them doing the same here and let people believe we r just holding the ship instead of the alternative of looking bad with the Yates thing.

Why do you act like it should be so easy to get a grad transfer to beat out others on our team and join the rotation next year? Are we the only college out there? Couldn't just about every other mid major team's fans be making this same argument right now? Shouldn't they all have quality grad transfers ready to step in and help if it were so easy to land them?

We have 5 starters and reserves ready for next year. A grad transfer might not see a lot of playing time, so it has to be a 2 way agreement. We can't just say we want one, and take our pick. The guy has to want to come here, and he might not see a lot of playing time available. The Wojcik analogy is not a good one. We lost some guys in March, and Wojcik saw a good fit in us and a chance at some quality early playing time, which he got. Maybe you think it is easy to sell a guy on "come play for us, beat out a few guys that are already here, back up Grant, and give us some quality defense", but I sure don't.
 
If you think we have more than adequate bench depth at the forward/center spots, please raise your hand.

If you think no one will get injured, please raise your hand.

If you think no one will transfer next year, please raise your hand.

We should be hustling hard to get guys in now, lest we always be “young”.

I am not saying we are not out there always trying to improve our team. If we get someone to help, great, but if not, save the ship. Some of you act like there are a whole lot of available quality grad transfer bigs just waiting to play mid major basketball. Newsflash: There are not.
 
Why do you act like it should be so easy to get a grad transfer to beat out others on our team and join the rotation next year? Are we the only college out there? Couldn't just about every other mid major team's fans be making this same argument right now? Shouldn't they all have quality grad transfers ready to step in and help if it were so easy to land them?

We have 5 starters and reserves ready for next year. A grad transfer might not see a lot of playing time, so it has to be a 2 way agreement. We can't just say we want one, and take our pick. The guy has to want to come here, and he might not see a lot of playing time available. The Wojcik analogy is not a good one. We lost some guys in March, and Wojcik saw a good fit in us and a chance at some quality early playing time, which he got. Maybe you think it is easy to sell a guy on "come play for us, beat out a few guys that are already here, back up Grant, and give us some quality defense", but I sure don't.

Holy hell u love the excuses. We r paying Mooney 1 mil + to figure it out, sell it and beat out other teams. That’s his job and there r guys out there. Get the 6’6 guy who’ll bang inside and not be a traffic cone on D.

He landed Malcolm Bernard but school F’d him on that. But that’s essentially 4 grads by Mooney counting Bernard. 2 out of 4 were ok. Numbers game. Now just get 1 that leans to fixing a big weakness on D. Got to chance it at least. If I hear someone say “save” ship re: grad guy they just don’t get it. I’m sorry that I want to improve the roster and end an 8 year ncaa drought. U gotta put extra work in. Mike Rhoades at vcu is hosting a visit on Memorial Day. Our program is tweeting out about enjoying the long 3 day weekend.

Best class ever. Toughest ooc in league. Time to come thru. No big hat no cattle. It may not be easy. Neither is waiting 8 years. we’ve already run in the grad market 3 years in a row. Coaches should have been mining that again from day 1. Or come out and say Yates is still taking up the ship if that’s the deal.
 
URI just got 2020 commitment from 4* recruit with lot of P6 offers...

https://www.providencejournal.com/sports/20190527/four-star-guard-elijah-wood-commits-to-uri

Also VCU forced out an end of roster player for presumably a new guy to help immediately here in 2019-20.

Meanwhile in an extremely important year we have an OPEN ship and crickets. Zero reason not to get a grad transfer who can at least play D and help depth inside. Even though JOC said UR has open ship I'm not completely convinced of it with the Yates fiasco. We already know UR is in favor of rule requiring 2 year athletic aid to grad transfers. When UR admin inexplicably assumed Yates would get 2 years I can actually see them guaranteeing him the 2 year MBA ship w athletic aid. Otherwise I think you'd hear at least a murmur or two about a 2019 or grad transfer. Maybe it will come later in summer, like Kwesi and JMA. Hope so or this is a bad screw up, either by losing an important ship or perhaps even worse holding it by choice. While a grad transfer would be much better imo even with a 2019 you will have something open up next year from a departure.
4* on official yesterday...name is "Bones"
 
I am not saying we are not out there always trying to improve our team. If we get someone to help, great, but if not, save the ship. Some of you act like there are a whole lot of available quality grad transfer bigs just waiting to play mid major basketball. Newsflash: There are not.
No one here is arguing that we sign a stiff as a late freshman recruit, everyone understands that is detrimental to our future prospects.

Similarly, everyone understands that super athletic 6’9” guys aren’t sitting outside the RC playing pickup and hoping someone stumbles across them.

Some of you think it’s ok to leave a scholarship open after back to back 20 loss seasons and 8 straight years not making the NCAA. News flash: it’s not.
 
We haven't earned the benefit of the doubt with our roster management the last several years so in my opinion there is no reason to leave a spot open, be it freshman or grad transfer. We need help now. I'm usually in the camp of trying to reasonably balance classes but we can't be picky at this point. We just need good basketball players.
 
Why would you say that? Have you ever heard anyone other than message board guys saying this could be a possibility?
If memory serves correctly, I think Hardt himself suggested this was a possibility when he was on Black and Drew most recently. His response was pretty non-definitive but made it seem like perhaps UR might be honoring his scholarship in spite of his ineligibility for another year.
 
This. If so, be candid about it. If you’re going to lose face I think it’s better to do so openly, the alternative is that you look lazy.
It has already been confirmed by JOC that Yates is not on athletic scholarship this year.
 
It has already been confirmed by JOC that Yates is not on athletic scholarship this year.
Correct. I think what's unconfirmed is if UR is treating his final year as if he is and paying his way, thus consuming the remaining scholarship spot. This is what folks are speculating on given the perceived lack of effort/interest in adding another guy this summer.
 
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