Except one of them is debating the merits of creationism. You can't argue logic to a true believer. His faith in the Moondog is strong.
Atlantic 10 recruiting update
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Would have been a lot easier to just admit you were wrong. I asked you which lesser schools have had more than 2 transfers who are as good as or better than TJ and Blake the last few years? More than 2. As in more than 1 or 2. Yet, you keep searching and searching and finding one, as if that helps your argument. Strange.
Sorry that during a work day I don't time to produce the transfer records of every Division One program. I've given you plenty of examples and there are plenty more out there. Look up virtually any lesser program that makes the NCAAs from a one-bid league, and they have transfers.
Never said they didn't. You got on us for "only" landing TJ and Blake while saying"lesser schools have done better". So, I asked what lesser schools have done better than TJ and Blake the past few years. There might be a few out there somewhere, but you acted like you knew for sure so I thought it would be easy for you to share. The fact that you are having such a hard time answering is telling.
1. TJ never got to the NCAA's. Eight has given you multiple transfers to lesser schools that helped those schools get to the NCAA.
2. Blake hasn't suited up for us yet. How many games has Blake won for us? Zero. Stop counting chickens before they hatch. He may be great for us, but again the examples Eight provided are examples of transfers who actually got their teams to the NCAA's.
3. TJ and Blake are 5 years apart, they are not playing at the same time.
4. To repeat, Mooney has gotten two good transfers in 14 years (and this is assuming Blake is gonna be good). Two in 14 years. Many schools bring in at least one contributing transfer annually, at least the good schools do. If Mooney, were so great at this transfer thing, you would think you would more than 2 examples in his 14 year tenure.
5. The rest of his transfer record: JMA, Kweisi, Yates, Wood have sucked. Mooney's transfer record is exactly like his high school recruiting record, for everyone 1 great one he brings, he brings at least 2 more that have no business on an A-10 basketball court.
Here are some good one's under Tarrant, help me out VT as I know I am missing some:
1. Terry Connolly
2. Jeff Butler
3. Chris Fleming
4. Milton Bell (never played, but at least was able to convince a Parade all american to come for the easy academics
)
5. Rodney Rice
1. Terry Connolly
2. Jeff Butler
3. Chris Fleming
4. Milton Bell (never played, but at least was able to convince a Parade all american to come for the easy academics
)5. Rodney Rice
Is there actually a debate happening here that we are doing well in our transfer acquisition under CM? I got lost about 5 or 6 snarky messages ago debating other minutiae that I think have little to do with the premise of the argument.
Since this is the Atlantic 10 recruiting thread...St. Joe's just landed 2019 Cam Brown who was let out of W&M commitment. He was a good recruit for them. Would have been nice fit here if we were still in on any 2019s which apparently we're not. Regional kid with great academics.
I simply asked what lesser programs have done better than getting TJ and Blake the past few years? We can even forget lesser and use mid majors. Are we really doing that poorly with this compared to other teams? I never said we were doing great, and would love to get as many as possible, but when someone says lesser teams are doing better than us, I did not think that was that accurate so I questioned that and asked for evidence. But, no one has given me more than 1 or maybe 2 players for certain teams. Am I missing something here? When another A-10 team gets a transfer, does it count as 3 transfers or something?
Yes, you are missing the point. We do not pursue or attract transfers well. If you think we are, then you've observing something very different than the majority of board posters observe.
Compared to which teams though? My point is maybe some posters need to take a look at the teams we compete with before assuming landing TJ and Blake over the last 5-6 years is worse than what other teams have done. What exactly defines well? 1 star every year? Who does that? I have asked for examples and no one can give me any. I just keep getting responses like the one you just sent saying we do not attract transfers while not making any comparisons or providing facts to show that we are alarmingly worse at this than other schools.
Good lord, people come on here saying the board is too negative and will scare off recruits. Hell, the Mooney er um supporter shall we say - best argument is that we don't suck worse than other teams. He is reading right into the mantra of mediocrity and glass ceiling thought that moan espouses. Live a little 47, try to hope for the best. Instead of: we can't get a good transfer because no one else does. And yes a top 150 hs transfer from Indiana that was sitting behind top 100 gusy qualifies as GREAT compared to Kwesi.
He was recruited by Binghamton, Canisius, Coppin State, Drexel and Hartford. You know good and well that if we would have landed him, the talk on here would have been all negative because of who was recruiting him.
Nope. I was talking about recruiting him after he decommitted from W&M. Those were the schools last year before he signed with W&M, which was before his senior year. Now he's all met 1st team. His recruitment changed, lot more higher ranked schools were on him recently including St. Joes. That is a fact. Nice try tho.
Nice try at what? I simply listed schools that recruited him. Are you saying you know he would help us? Who would he play ahead of? Nick? Blake? Burton? Sal? Wojcik? Andre?
But those schools are irrelevant when recruiting him now. Meaningless to list them. That was an old recruitment, surely you realize kids recruiting changes. He was no longer a low major. Yes back in 2018 had we landed him maybe that would have been said on the boards. I don't know who he would have played over but he'd have a shot. We need good players in the pipeline regardless.
4700 is exceptionally talented when it comes to starting arguments and then moving the rhetorical goalposts in the middle of the argument. Hoy hoy!
TJ Cline is the only transfer of any quality that we have had under CM. Blake Francis is vapor ware until he suits up, gets on the floor, and shows us what he can do. Remember how great Solly was in practice until he actually got on the floor and showed us his true colors?
#NoMoreMooneyTruthing
TJ Cline is the only transfer of any quality that we have had under CM. Blake Francis is vapor ware until he suits up, gets on the floor, and shows us what he can do. Remember how great Solly was in practice until he actually got on the floor and showed us his true colors?
#NoMoreMooneyTruthing
He was no longer a low major? Really? And no one went after him until he decommitted following the firing of Shaver? No one tried to steal him from mighty W&M? Since you said it was a fact that more higher ranked schools went after him after he decommitted, can you list them? Not trying to be difficult, just curious. Maybe he is a true gem and everyone but St. Joe's missed him. Don't think it matters much though. With him being a 2019 guy, I don't think I would want us to use one of our 2 scholarships on him. I would rather have a true PG to back up and then follow Jacob or a big right now.
This whole debate ("lesser schools get transfers, we don't"} started because LaSalle just got a transfer. He hasn't played a minute for them either. So, if someone can include a guy who averaged 1 point a game his 1st 2 years of college ball in this debate, I can certainly include Blake.
Actually, Solly had experience playing for a professional club in France. Resume-wise, that may have been better than playing for Wagner.
#NoMoreMooneyTruthing
Good point Keef. The staff had Solly scouted as a starter and even saw him practice against our players for a year and handed him the spot with no back up plan.
Come on. That is not even close to accurate. Solly was an unknown. Yes, we hoped we would get a good player and gave him every chance to be. We already know Blake is a good player. It doesn't matter if he played at Wagner. If anyone could do what he did at Wagner, there would be a lot more Blake's coming out of Wagner. To pretend he is not that good is just another reason to to take a jab at Mooney I guess. I see no other reason why anyone would question Blake, especially while praising everyone else's transfers.
No. Yes. No idea but difficult with a signed NLI. See above. LOL no u just did this with eight legger, full pass thx.
Of course u r not trying to be difficult nobody could fathom such a thing.
There was more than just hope involved with Solly. We had multiple reports from the coaching staff, fellow players, etc. that Solly was a monster. Hence, I reserve judgement on who is/will be a good player based on how they perform in a Spiders jersey in actual games. Same with Blake, when he plays well in a Richmond uniform, I will consider him a good player.
#NoMoreMooneyTruthing
How do you know this , have sone inside information? Did moaney coach him up. Seems like he benched him pretty quickly considering he was trying to shake off some rust. Good inside scoop.
this thread is one of the biggest waste of time I have spent in some time
So, you get on here and post this:
"His recruitment changed, lot more higher ranked schools were on him recently including St. Joes. That is a fact. Nice try tho."
But, when I ask you to name these higher ranked schools you can't? And you said a lot of them. And can't name 1? Why get on here and stress something is a fact when you have no knowledge of this at all?
Actually I named St. Joe's. I have connection to someone who has personal knowledge and was told schools on St. Joe's level, which is higher level than his previous schools from 2018 recruiting. The guy was first team all met and only kid this year from PG county named to Capital Classic, he's a good player. When a kid gets let out of letter of intent late in spring you typically have higher ranked schools looking to swoop in to fill some needs late. These are all facts. But I've seen your M.O. on here & sorry I was drawn in today. It's ok if you don't believe me, I don't believe that you're a UR grad.
No , look at the timeline and his past activity on the hokie board and draw your own conclusions. Pretty clear.
he averaged 17.3 ppg and shot 40% on heavy volume. but you don't consider him a good player? are they playing on 8 foot rims at Wagner? maybe they're using ladies basketballs.
Hey, I think Blake is going to be a very good player for us, maybe even our leading scorer.
The "volume" shooter part worries me s-man. When I hear basketball analysts discuss volume shooters, that usually means they need a lot of shots to get there's. Bound to be an issue with Nick and Grant. And Gilly will need to facilitate a little more than jacking up long 3's.
A debate that hinges on "show me another program with two transfers better than TJ and Blake" is ridiculously premature. You need post-transfer numbers to make an objective comparison.
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