What are we doing with this program?
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Practice? Practice? You mean Practice? I can hardly sit through a game. It's you practice goers that sucker me in with your unbridled optimism every year. Who wouldn't look good in practice playing against that fudging defense?
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Delaware top 6 players (minutes wise), I believe 2 so and 2 freshmen, they accounted for 60+% of the points.
I am waiting a little bit before going into full panic mode here. I do think the Fore injury is a killer to start the season. As someone noted, I am worried about Gilyard's ability to log heavy minutes all season and remain, healthy, effective, and avoid running splat into the freshman wall part way through. It seems like Julius may be nursing something too? As far as Grant goes, I kind of cringe with the way Mooney was hyping him this off season. Maybe he was doing so to boost his confidence, knowing he would be needed to produce early and well for us to compete. It's just a big adjustment for him, coming off his heart issue, and really not playing enough last year to fully get comfortable with our level of competition. So between the mental hurdle of his condition, adjusting to playing with added weight/muscle, not having played for almost a year, and really starting out again as a freshman - I thought there would be some adjustment period. I am not looking for any monster numbers from him this year, but needs to defend, rebound, and be a threat and accounted for on offense.
I still think Solly is a huge key, an X factor. I was hoping he would be a stretch four, and a threat to take his man off the dribble or pull him out and hit the 3. From the discussions on this board, it does not seem like that will be his role or how he will play for us? Again, he is coming off a long layoff, as well as a shift from the Euro league he played in to high level D1 hoops. Not sure the correlation, but it has to be a lot different. New roles for everyone, and an adjustment period. I do seem to recall a year just getting shellacked by Bama or Georgia or someone ( I want to say a 45 point loss) early in the season and coming back and having an NCAA year. It happens. It is disconcerting to have this happen against Delaware, but I am hoping this was a wake up call.
I still think Solly is a huge key, an X factor. I was hoping he would be a stretch four, and a threat to take his man off the dribble or pull him out and hit the 3. From the discussions on this board, it does not seem like that will be his role or how he will play for us? Again, he is coming off a long layoff, as well as a shift from the Euro league he played in to high level D1 hoops. Not sure the correlation, but it has to be a lot different. New roles for everyone, and an adjustment period. I do seem to recall a year just getting shellacked by Bama or Georgia or someone ( I want to say a 45 point loss) early in the season and coming back and having an NCAA year. It happens. It is disconcerting to have this happen against Delaware, but I am hoping this was a wake up call.
We had the POY, ROY, and a Top 10 all time scorer on the team last year and still ended up as nothing more than a 6 seed in the NIT tournament. And then, we lose 2 of those 3 pieces and replace them with entirely unproven players and somehow we come into this season thinking we are an NCAA team.
Not ready to call this a season, its only 1 game and Khwan is out, but our fan base reminds me more and more of the Redskins. Complete unbridled offseason optimism that this season will somehow be different than the six before, and then you look at the roster and the leadership and realize you got some good pieces not enough good pieces though to compete for an NCAA and we got our own little Dan Snyder leadership trust, wrapped in a nice guy persona.
Not ready to call this a season, its only 1 game and Khwan is out, but our fan base reminds me more and more of the Redskins. Complete unbridled offseason optimism that this season will somehow be different than the six before, and then you look at the roster and the leadership and realize you got some good pieces not enough good pieces though to compete for an NCAA and we got our own little Dan Snyder leadership trust, wrapped in a nice guy persona.
I think Solly still has a ways to go with his understanding of the CM system, he looked a bit lost out there at times. However, he had one baseline move in the second half where he completely blew by his man off the dribble, but he was fouled or there was some other violation.
He has the athletic pedigree to be an impact player. I hope he has the confidence and mentality to put it all together.
He has the athletic pedigree to be an impact player. I hope he has the confidence and mentality to put it all together.
I don't know how many turnovers we had, probably not as many as it seemed, but there were definitely a number of times when the guys just didn't seem to be in rhythm with each other. Someone made a pass that the other guy wasn't expecting, someone tried to force a pass, etc. That stuff will improve as they play in games together more.
Admittedly, we did have a TON of new bodies out there. JMA, Gilyard, Stansbury, Cayo, to some extent Friendshuh (since he hasn't really played game minutes with most of these guys), etc. So I get that we'll have growing pains there. It doesn't excuse what we witnessed, but I hope it is fixed soon. We do have the talent to be a tournament team, but we have a helluva long way to go and not long to get there.
Admittedly, we did have a TON of new bodies out there. JMA, Gilyard, Stansbury, Cayo, to some extent Friendshuh (since he hasn't really played game minutes with most of these guys), etc. So I get that we'll have growing pains there. It doesn't excuse what we witnessed, but I hope it is fixed soon. We do have the talent to be a tournament team, but we have a helluva long way to go and not long to get there.
Solly’s role may to be a bigger, stronger Kevin Smith. How long before he fills that role is another discussion.
As a program, our first step is to improve on that 300 RPI today...
That’s an absulute lie you goofball. I know who you are and I know you don’t even go to games, football or basketball. What’s your purpose, go to an occasional practice then criticize everything in both sports but don’t support those sports financially. Is your life that sad?
When you called Kyle Lauletta noodle arm it says everything about you , a small person who tries to be a big shot on an anonymous message board. The next time I see you I will introduce myself so I won’t be anonymous to you.
Getting a little testy on here. I am not in full panic mode yet, but have moved one step closer.
Hey MacMuffin,
I have been attending UR games since the 70's, basketball and football. Haven't missed a handful of home games since 1980 in either sport. I went to 6 practices over the summer months and heard the verbage used. I have no complaints about what was said, just pointing out Mooney is not always Howdy Doody and still has some Philadelphia in him.
BTW, "big shot on an anonymous message board" ??? Is there such a thing. LMAO.
Please introduce yourself MacMuffin. Are you a Washington Post reporter? I suppose you will accuse me of sexual harassment and collusion with the Russians next.
Spider K,
I don’t want the posters on here to have to listen to this anymore so Im done with you after this. Tell me where your season ticket seat for football or basketball is and I’ll come see you at the next game or tell me where to meet you before the game Saturday, show me your tickets or spider club membership card and I’ll give you a huge apology and buy you whatever you want at the concession stand.
If you don’t want to post it on here send a private message to the moderator where to meet you and ask him to send it to me.
In defense of SpiderK (who I only know as a message board tough guy - I jest ), mac did call him out as a fraud first.
Winning solves a lot of things. That is the problem the last 6 years, not enough winning.
), mac did call him out as a fraud first. Winning solves a lot of things. That is the problem the last 6 years, not enough winning.
I'm sober. I went to the first half (only had time for the first half, good or bad). I only have so much energy to be disgusted for so long.
I am looking forward to a win over the Tribe in football on Saturday and then i'll figure out what happens after that. It might be a really good winter for projects around the house.
Just think....we're only thru game 2 of 31. lol.
Speaking of goofballs....what goofball would give a coach a loaded 10 year contract -- under ANY circumstances?
Speaking of goofballs....what goofball would give a coach a loaded 10 year contract -- under ANY circumstances?
Have you two got some open dates? This would be a good half time 'showdown' and we're going to need reasons to keep going to the games
Good News! I believe we didn't schedule the 31st game this season.
Unless You meant in DC...
Robert Fish said today that it was a tough turnaround to play Friday night and then again Monday at noon.
What?
Mooney said the Cayman tourney would give us good practice playing several days in a row. Yeah, not sure we're really going to need to practice that, honestly.
What?
Mooney said the Cayman tourney would give us good practice playing several days in a row. Yeah, not sure we're really going to need to practice that, honestly.
LMAO, MacMuffin has the wrong dude. Sorry I-M-UR, I am old enough to know to stay away from these Stephen Paddock/Devin Kelley types on the Internet.
My season tickets were in the East Stands Section E Row NN from late 70's until 2009. I went to Chattanooga for the 2008 Championship, I was in Atlantic City for the 2011 A-10 Championship and I was in Pittsburgh for the A-10 tournament this past March. I saw Barry Redden run for about 250 yards on 50 carries against Virginia Tech in he pouring rain. I was even at the Costco when K0 lit them up and Weber hurt his knee. One of only 20 people in red in the building. And one of my favorite games at UR was when the Spiders beat David Robinson and no one sat for the whole game.
You want hash browns with that MacMuffin?
Damn, they are going to have to find another dog act now.
I saw all of the above I can even go back to seeing Artis Gilmore, Pembrook burroughs playing UR at the Arena.
This one
Sorry one more.
I guess you’re passing on my offer noodle arm. I’ll see you at the next Spider Club event.
Sorry one more.
I guess you’re passing on my offer noodle arm. I’ll see you at the next Spider Club event.
Though I am not the great cheerleader, I didn't think that this team would be this bad! They are so far down after 2-games that I don't see a miraculous turnaround. Doesn't mean that they can't get better and win a few games, but the overall outlook looks pretty grim right now.
You see no fire. The effort is lackluster, and confusion runs rampant. 2 ass whippings at home to start the season should instill a sense of urgency in both players and coaches. Being down 30-something in one game, and 40-something in the other is inexcusably non-competitive. Look yourself in the mirror.
You see no fire. The effort is lackluster, and confusion runs rampant. 2 ass whippings at home to start the season should instill a sense of urgency in both players and coaches. Being down 30-something in one game, and 40-something in the other is inexcusably non-competitive. Look yourself in the mirror.
keefusb,
Can't say I disagree, but Solly practiced all last year. Why should he look lost and not understand the system?
I was really expecting Solly and Nick to be confident, aggressive scorers. Neither is looking that way so far. Without both of those two stepping up we are going to struggle to score. We may need to trade for the guy that jilted us for ODU. I have a feeling that is another one that is going to come back to haunt us.
In ODU's first game Godwin had 2 points in 4 min against Towson and 3 points in 2 min against JMU last night. Maybe he would not have made too much of a difference for us at this juncture.
I'm convinced it doesn't even matter that much anymore. We don't allow guys to play basketball on offense when they get here, so what we see in a recruit in high school isn't even what we're going to see in this "system." Buck and Gilyard are the rare exceptions. Sherod looks like he's been programmed and is being operated by remote control from the bench to go through the motions of Mooney's offense with no ability to be aggressive, creative or to do anything that was not pre-planned or ore-approved.
And he's not the only one.
And he's not the only one.
I agree on Sherod, but in reality with our offense, he should be having open looks,
IF THE BALL IS MOVING QUICKLY AND JUST AS IMPORTANT, PLAYERS ARE
MOVING. He as many seemed as many of us have stated,"like a deer in head lights".
I just did not see a lot of movement at times and Sherod just seemed out of place
at times.
Clearly, time spent practicing in CM's system is completely meaningless, and in fact may actually cause long-term damage to your ability to play instinctual basketball.
completely agree. Towards the end of the game you could see Jacob go "rogue" and just do what came naturally. Nick right now looks so out of place sometimes. We need to just loosen it up and let them play.
I also agree, but forcing robotic behavior amongst players is nothing new. This has been discussed numerous times thru the years. Seems that more eyes are finally being opened to the ignorance of obsessively insisting on scheme capitulation to the detriment of natural instinctive flow.
Every coach has offensive and defensive systems, but Mooney has always been disproportionately rigid in this area. The imbalance creates android behavior and limits the team's capacity to play intuitive basketball. Fans see this as lost, clueless, deer in the headlights behavior from players. Though amplified with this team, the problem has not been limited to the current season.
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