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What are we doing with this program?

The disparity between the Spiders' first half performance and the way they played in the second half was already noted. The Spiders made 20% of their shots in the first half compared with 56.7% in the second half. Morever, Delaware made a whopping 75% of their first half shots, while making only 27.8% in the second half. As UR has led the A10 in shooting percentage the past two years, I tend to believe that their first half peformance was an aberration. The Spider defense should also perform more like they did in the second half. Be patient. Let's see how it plays out.
 
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I will still support the team and hope for a turnaround, but I’m tired of being patient with Spider Basketball. Sorry, but I think that’s way a lot of our fans feel.
 
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Be patient. Let's see how it plays out.
The trouble with being patient is that you can’t afford to lose games like this to (projected) really bad teams. It’s entirely possible that one loss to a 200+ squad prevents us from at large consideration. Not that I think that was ever a realistic proposition.
 
I will still support the team and hope for a turnaround, but I’m tired of being patient with Spider Basketball. Sorry, but I think that’s way a lot of our fans feel.

Right. We have been patient for 7 years. I've got a second grader that wants a cell phone that was an infant in March 2011.

We are long past being patient. It is time for results.
 
As usual way to much optimism on here in pre-season makes this feel even worse. All those places that picked us 10th in A10 and not Top 150 etc. where actually looking at things like who we lost and who we actually had and what they had actually done unlike so many here who were somehow able to make conclusions about how good certain players were even though they had never played etc. And those (non-bias) predictions had KF as one of the few certain positives. Outside of this board, the team that took the floor last night would not have been picked in the Top 200. Unfortunately, they were worse than that even.

Will they perform better than they did- yes. They will likely get to where one might reasonably have expected them to get. But that means they might reasonably be expected to be 9th or 10th in the league and top 150. The scarier possibility is that they might not even get to that level. We might be right about what was said all pre-season about the prognosticators being wrong; they just might have have been too optimistic.
 
Right. We have been patient for 7 years. I've got a second grader that wants a cell phone that was an infant in March 2011.

We are long past being patient. It is time for results.
Mo, I agree. But my approach is to support our university, its players and coaches, and allow those responsible to make necessary changes. I know a little about the inner workings of the university and am aware that success in all sports, especially basketball, is a priority. Yes, I will make the three hour drive on Monday.
 
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Mo, I agree. But my approach is to support our university, its players and coaches, and allow those responsible to make necessary changes. I know a little about the inner workings of the university and am aware that success in all sports, especially basketball, is a priority. Yes, I will make the three hour drive on Monday.
But support of the University?..........(I assume you mean the folks who gave Mooney the extension) simply prolongs getting anything changed. Support the players yes but why do you think things will 'change' if we all just get along?
They may talk about how important winning is but their actions speak louder than their words. Remember they just gave him an additional 1 year extension this summer??? We've never bought out a contract so unless that changes we're where we are until 2022/23
 
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Mo, I agree. But my approach is to support our university, its players and coaches, and allow those responsible to make necessary changes. I know a little about the inner workings of the university and am aware that success in all sports, especially basketball, is a priority. Yes, I will make the three hour drive on Monday.

I admire your support and will continue to do it too. Institutionally, we might pretend that we care about winning at basketball. We can talk about larger recruiting budget or doing something with Millhiser, or getting some help from admissions ... none of those things made us fall to a 33 point deficit in the opener.

There is one thing that needs to change and it's pretty plain to see what that is.

Talking about this in the lot in Harrisonburg yesterday. The reality is Mooney will get through the Buckingham, Sherod, Golden cycle and one of two things will happen.

1- we have an NCAA berth to show for.
2- Mooney is done. And if he's not done, I'm done.

March of 2020, here we come.
 
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I admire your support and will continue to do it too. Institutionally, we might pretend that we care about winning at basketball. We can talk about larger recruiting budget or doing something with Millhiser, or getting some help from admissions ... none of those things made us fall to a 33 point deficit in the opener.

There is one thing that needs to change and it's pretty plain to see what that is.

Talking about this in the lot in Harrisonburg yesterday. The reality is Mooney will get through the Buckingham, Sherod, Golden cycle and one of two things will happen.

1- we have an NCAA berth to show for.
2- Mooney is done. And if he's not done, I'm done.

March of 2020, here we come.
Yep. Fair enough. We will win one way or another.
 
Yep. Fair enough. We will win one way or another.

I don't think that that's what Mo was trying to say. I do think one of the "hidden" benefits of an NCAA appearance in the next 2-3 years would be the possibility that another program will become interested in CM and he leaves before 2022 without UR having to foot the bill for his buyout.

Of course the other edge of the sword is that an NCAA appearance buys CM a few more years here.
 
Of course the other edge of the sword is that an NCAA appearance buys CM a few more years here.

This is pretty scary too.

Is there a person in the entire country with a better job than Mooney? I'm not talking about just basketball coaches ... anyone. This was another topic of conversion in the lot at JMU yesterday.
 
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This is pretty scary too.

Is there a person in the entire country with a better job than Mooney? I'm not talking about just basketball coaches ... anyone. This was another topic of conversion in the lot at JMU yesterday.

Nope. Mooney gets paid a million bucks a year to be mediocre. I wish I could get paid half that much for being average! I like how saying Mooney is a nice guy is an argument to want to keep him. I'm happy that Mooney is nice but since when is that the determining factor of hiring a basketball coach? From a spectrum of push over to a-hole, I wouldn't mind closer to the a-hole (Like Dan Hurley) if it meant getting results.

At the end of the day, I maintain Mooney should have been fired 3 years ago when we just missed the NCAA or in 2 years, if as juniors, Buck and them can't make the tournament. Even if Mooney does squeeze in 1 tournament appearance that should also not be a a guarantee extension. There needs to be more frequent consistency or a deep tournament run for me to think his job is safe.

At this point though, as much as I don't want to see this team losing a lot, I wouldn't put it all on Mooney. He's in this weird grace zone - in my mind - where he has an uptick of recruiting talent, but they haven't had an opportunity to develop yet. I don't know why we've stuck with Mooney for so long, but we missed our chance to change that, but doing it this year wouldn't be entirely fair since the players are all talented, but are young and several are inexperienced.

Hardt needs to tell Mooney day 1 that Mooney has 2 years left to achieve something meaningful or he's gone. Hardt also needs to give Mooney or other coach the resources/facilities to succeed here, but that was discussed previously.
 
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Mooney probably does have one of the best jobs in the world, literally. He practically has zero pressure to perform, and his pay is elite even among his peers. He has all his clothes, shoes, and car provided to him by local businesses. He gets to ply his trade in a first-rate campus and basketball environment in a program with a great history. Like I said in an earlier post, his sideline demeanor and how he interacts with his players has all the hallmarks of a person who is simply going through the motions.
 
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This may or may not be a very disappointing year for us, time will tell. However, I'll be supporting and watching my Spiders no matter what. If you all want to watch a team that is perfect and never loses, go support Duke/Kentucky in basketball or Alabama in football.

I'm proud of my alma mater and will watch every game I can. Our support for our team and our desire to see the new AD make systemic changes/holding coaches accountable can be separate and simultaneous. I've been frustrated where we've been in basketball, like many of you, but won't let that deter me from seeing the Spiders play any chance I can.

I'll be rooting for the Spiders on Monday and win or lose, I will continue to do so.

See you all Monday
 
We have been patient for 7 years.
We are long past being patient. It is time for results.
I get everyone putting the last 7 years on CM (even if they weren't all bad), but we can't put those 7 years on this team. it was an awful half, but it was one half.
 
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Two thoughts:

1. It’s probably good that the new AD has been on the opposing side from CM for multiple games, have to bet he already has a pretty good opinion formed in those games Bucknell beat us

2. You never want to have the coach that every conferencemate fanbase hopes will stick around forever - we have that coach
 
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^^I don't believe many of us are proposing giving up completely, but we have been in a sort of CM-imposed basketball purgatory for the past 7 years. We have been patient and we are expecting to be better than we have been since 2011. I think it's extremely disappointing that players like Kendall Anthony, SDJ, Terry Allen, and TJ Cline went through their entire Richmond careers without an NCAA trip.
 
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CM is our own damn fault. It all started with neutering him for excessive foul language from the bench. An attempt to make him what we (administration) wanted him to be. A nice guy, representative of the university. Well, for those of you that complained, that's what you got. The Philly in him got tamed.
 
CM is our own damn fault. It all started with neutering him for excessive foul language from the bench. An attempt to make him what we (administration) wanted him to be. A nice guy, representative of the university. Well, for those of you that complained, that's what you got. The Philly in him got tamed.
Maybe the new AD will unleash the "old Mooney".
 
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One can only hope. He walks the sideline like he's on valium. One of you that sits up front slip some vodka into that cup that he keeps drinking from. I'd love to see what he could do if we turn him loose.
 
CM is our own damn fault. It all started with neutering him for excessive foul language from the bench. An attempt to make him what we (administration) wanted him to be. A nice guy, representative of the university. Well, for those of you that complained, that's what you got. The Philly in him got tamed.
I can see the point that you are trying to make, but, being an ass does not make one a good coach. Mooney has been a mediocre / poor coach all along. The Air Force team he took over had back-to-back NCAA appearances when he was an assistant. Under Mooney as head coach for 1-year, they dropped to no NCAA appearance.

In his 12-years at UR he has consistently demonstrated mediocre to poor performance. His record proves it, and anyone who knows the finer points of the game can regularly SEE what he is doing (and not doing). It is not just his record. His low performance has rightly been discussed on this board repetitively. He doesn't have what it takes to be consistently successful at a higher level.

Mooney was fortunate to have an exceptional player (Kevin Anderson) that led his team to back-to-back NCAA appearances. These trips to the dance happened despite Mooney's performance as the coach. There have been MANY players (as listed so many times before) in the Mooney era who should have been able to make the tournament but never did because of poor coaching. Recruiting, though not the greatest, is NOT the biggest problem of this program. Through the years, there has been sufficient talent to make the tournament (at least a few times).

The current team has enough talented players. The problem is sideline performance. Though you can't write off an NCAA tournament appearance for this season, a more realistic approach is to believe that NIT is likely the best that they can do. With the right coach, it would be POSSIBLE that this team COULD make the NCAA. With Mooney at the helm it is much more likely to be a BIG maybe.

Replacing players like Cline & Jones is a bigger challenge than many posters realize. With all that said, 1-game does not make a season. Gloom and doom is totally appropriate for this one game, but this team is young and talented. They should get better as the season goes along. The A-10 is not that strong, so we can expect some success in the league. If a team is improving and playing their best by season's end, the goal is to have a short at winning the conference tournament.

As stated from day # 1, Mooney needs to stick with Gilyard. This team is not strong offensively. They do not have guaranteed "go-to" guys that can be counted on to score consistently. Expect inconsistency in this arena all season. Sometimes real good, fun to watch. Sometimes long stretches of drought. In order to experience regular and consistent offensive success, they must generate points off of their defense. Play ugly, keep the score down, and give yourself a shot to win at the end. Pressure, pressure, pressure defense on the ball at every position! Run at every opportunity to make scoring easier.

Since everyone is coming back, and since everyone will be 1-year more seasoned, NEXT YEAR is the year where fans should EXPECT an NCAA appearance. I have advocated firing Mooney for many years, but if he doesn't make the tournament next season (with experienced maturing talent) it will be a true catastrophe.
 
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I can see the point that you are trying to make, but, being an ass does not make one a good coach. Mooney has been a mediocre / poor coach all along. The Air Force team he took over had back-to-back NCAA appearances when he was an assistant. Under Mooney as head coach for 1-year, they dropped to no NCAA appearance.

In his 12-years at UR he has consistently demonstrated mediocre to poor performance. His record proves it, and anyone who knows the finer points of the game can regularly SEE what he is doing (and not doing). It is not just his record. His low performance has rightly been discussed on this board repetitively. He doesn't have what it takes to be consistently successful at a higher level.

Mooney was fortunate to have an exceptional player (Kevin Anderson) that led his team to back-to-back NCAA appearances. These trips to the dance happened despite Mooney's performance as the coach. There have been MANY players (as listed so many times before) in the Mooney era who should have been able to make the tournament but never did because of poor coaching. Recruiting, though not the greatest, is NOT the biggest problem of this program. Through the years, there has been sufficient talent to make the tournament (at least a few times).

The current team has enough talented players. The problem is sideline performance. Though you can't write off an NCAA tournament appearance for this season, a more realistic approach is to believe that NIT is likely the best that they can do. With the right coach, it would be POSSIBLE that this team COULD make the NCAA. With Mooney at the helm it is much more likely to be a BIG maybe.

Replacing players like Cline & Jones is a bigger challenge than many posters realize. With all that said, 1-game does not make a season. Gloom and doom is totally appropriate for this one game, but this team is young and talented. They should get better as the season goes along. The A-10 is not that strong, so we can expect some success in the league. If a team is improving and playing their best by season's end, the goal is to have a short at winning the conference tournament.

As stated from day # 1, Mooney needs to stick with Gilyard. This team is not strong offensively. They do not have guaranteed "go-to" guys that can be counted on to score consistently. Expect inconsistency in this arena all season. Sometimes real good, fun to watch. Sometimes long stretches of draught. In order to experience regular and consistent offensive success, they must generate points off of their defense. Play ugly, keep the score down, and give yourself a shot to win at the end. Pressure, pressure, pressure defense on the ball at every position! Run at every opportunity to make scoring easier.

Since everyone is coming back, and since everyone will be 1-year more seasoned, NEXT YEAR is the year where fans should EXPECT an NCAA appearance. I have advocated firing Mooney for many years, but if he doesn't make the tournament next season (with experienced maturing talent) it will be a true catastrophe.
My point was not to advocate that Mooney is a great coach. And I do know enough about the finer points of the game to know being an ass doesn't make you a great coach. I also know enough about human nature to know that when you get called out publicly it has the potential render you less effective in many ways. It also says where the administration, his bosses, places value. I'm by no means a Mooney fan but if I hear one more time if it wasn't for KA, blah, blah, blah. He recruited KA, he should be given credit for that. I personally think that he's a good guy, okay coach. We want more than he delivers so he's got to go. Fans aren't the problem here, what does the administration value? That's the real point.
 
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Since everyone is coming back, and since everyone will be 1-year more seasoned, NEXT YEAR is the year where fans should EXPECT an NCAA appearance. I have advocated firing Mooney for many years, but if he doesn't make the tournament next season (with experienced maturing talent) it will be a true catastrophe.

My EXACT sentiment on the CM dilemma!
 
[ You don't replace that in the first game with two freshmen and a guy who has never played a minute of college basketball. Yes, it was a complete embarrassment but it shouldn't be surprising with the coach we have and how this team has been constructed. Get your head out of the sand, it's going to be a long year.[/QUOTE]

Kentucky does okay with freshmen
 
For those of you who are hanging your hats on the second half, well, it's hard for ANY team to maintain intensity and focus when you are 33 points ahead. I give little credence to what I saw in the second half, other than Gilyard gaining some confidence. Boy he sure reminds me of Kendall Anthony........
 
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I like Gilyard, he is talented and gutsy. But he is not K0 physically. K0 was a knot of muscle and was very rugged and durable during his time here despite his small stature. I'm concerned about how Gilyard's body will hold up during the long physical grind of the A10 season.
 
I like Gilyard, he is talented and gutsy. But he is not K0 physically. K0 was a knot of muscle and was very rugged and durable during his time here despite his small stature. I'm concerned about how Gilyard's body will hold up during the long physical grind of the A10 season.
he's a freshman, possibly 18 yo
 
I guess I'm in the camp of:
1. That game sucked, and I can't disagree with those who are extremely frustrated.
2. I think this team of very young, inexperienced players who weren't around 3-4-5-6 years ago deserve for us to be able to endure one half of crappy play before we bury them and jump like rats off a boat.
 
Any way you slice it, there's no possible way we should have trailed a home game to Delaware by 31 points at any time. They were as young as we are.

I also agree that the second half doesn't really tell us a lot. They weren't going to beat us by 50, so at some point we were bound to cut the lead a bit.

I still have a lot of confidence in our talent, less in our coaches' ability to extract the most from it.
 
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I was at the game. Halftime score was 34-9. Awful trip to Williamsburg.

Wasn't that the game the refs threw out 3 of our fans for dressing up in ref shirts and playing the song three blind mice?
 
One can only hope. He walks the sideline like he's on valium. One of you that sits up front slip some vodka into that cup that he keeps drinking from. I'd love to see what he could do if we turn him loose.
CM is our own damn fault. It all started with neutering him for excessive foul language from the bench. An attempt to make him what we (administration) wanted him to be. A nice guy, representative of the university. Well, for those of you that complained, that's what you got. The Philly in him got tamed.
I guess you have not been to a practice this year. Every other word Mooney says starts with an F.
 
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