I brought up this question in the first VCU game thread what feels like 10 years ago, but does anyone have the ATS record vs VCU the past 10 years? Can’t find this data for some reason
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You answered your own question. The program, starting from the top, does nothing but make excuses. They need more toughness in general, and Mooney is not a tough coach. You need to start making the "toughness" decisions as a program, and "toughness" plays on the court consistently. Go for rebounds, get blocks, etc. Even this year's soft Kentucky team killed y'all on the boards. Until Mooney (and some admin) are gone, it's going to continue to be this way. There's a reason VCU has the nickname "Broad Street Bullies".
I went back to take a look at the seasons Davidson and UR have had since Davidson joined the A-10 with a focus on conference finish. Interesting in that Davidson's average placement has been 4.7 and UR 5.5 during that time. Median place is identical at 4.5. Standard deviation is nearly identical. 5th place or below, each have 3 seasons. Davidson does have one regular season conference championship and two NCAA appearances during that team, but in terms of conference finishes, there isn't really a material difference between the two programs over the last six seasons.
Watch this SBU post-game presser, and you'll instantly see the difference between Mooney and Rhoades, and why VCU is successful. I'd run through a brick wall for that man.
Why are you still here trying to tell us things about our own program, as if we haven't ever thought of them before? Rhoades hasn't exactly lit the world on fire in three years, either. Worry about your own team and we'll worry about ours.
@Eight Legger because I can. You might have the same broken record conversations literally every year, but it's still good to hear perspectives from the outside. So stop being an a$$ all your life. You're part of the reason everyone sees y'all as soft.
Last year, Rhoades led a team that had the ultimate meltdown. It was a senior laden team that folded. Most of its best players left the team. Rhoades did a terrible job. COVID saved the season for VCU.
@Gallipoli and look where we are now! Back like we never left. In position to Dance again. Is UR? We'll see.
If Mooney had the season VCU had last season, he'd still be making excuses today.
If Mooney had the season VCU had last season, he'd still be making excuses today.
Yes. We are in position to dance. You are acting like the season is over and VCU won the league. Hello. It's Feb. 16 dude. You still have to play us twice, SLU once, Davidson and Dayton. Things might look a lot different for you in three weeks. Meanwhile, we are likely to have at least 4 Q1 wins by the end of the year, which is likely to be just about the most of any bubble team. Though at that point we wouldn't even be on the bubble anymore.
You can use this site to find historical spreads.
You can use this site to find the date of the games and outcomes.
On the historical spread data, you'll need to download each excel file. I found it's easiest to then filter by "Richmond" and "VaCommonwealth" then look up the date of the game.
Or...
Use this site and look at last 10 matchups
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Well apparently finishing just a fraction higher than they have on average has put them in the tournament 2 more times than UR has gone and that makes a huge difference. UR needs to find a way to make up that fraction of a difference.
Reference? I mean...aside from your message board and Monroe Park...
@Eight Legger I ain't worried about any of those teams. We'll beat all of them. The only A10 team I'm worried about is VCU, because they're the best team. They play well, they'll beat anyone. They play badly, they can still beat anyone. That's the mentality we have. However, I do want to see the rest of the league consistently do well. 👀
@Gallipoli also, last season wasn't on Rhoades at all. Those "best players" who left were addition by subtraction.
@Gallipoli also, last season wasn't on Rhoades at all. Those "best players" who left were addition by subtraction.
<looks at title of thread....checks Google Maps.....curses>.
LOL a single Rothstein tweet from 4.5 years ago. Man. Ya'll are known.
Rozzell tried to get that going and unless I'm mistaken...no one outside of Monroe Park picked up on it.
Rozzell tried to get that going and unless I'm mistaken...no one outside of Monroe Park picked up on it.
Two championships and two NCAA appearances are immaterial?
VCU's wins in league play have come against the teams in 8th, 8th, 9th, 10th, 11th, 12th, 14th and 4th in the league. If that ain't getting fat and happy on the bottom-feeders, I don't know what is. Come talk to us when you've actually beaten more than one decent team.
I’m a believer in metrics until perhaps this exact moment after reading that. Davidson has a reg season title & 2 NCAAs in 6 years and we have none & zero. And u want to say that’s not a material difference?! LOL.
Walk into a bar Davidson can show us NCAA rings and our comeback is but...but...standard deviation.
Sorry 05 but this is an example of over reliance on metrics turning someone into an egghead. Data over intuition. Or what I like to call the Bill Cooper problem.
You must have missed the qualifier I had right before you started my quote. "in terms of conference finishes."
You really think that's the only tweet or reference? Wow. You asked for a reference, but keep hating.
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Ripping off the slogan of a team in a different sport and different city – super creative! I can't figure out why it didn't work...
This was 5 years ago. Was that wee Willie's first season? That really scared everyone.
As I'm grinding away on analysis for work and visiting the Board for a respite, I'm not going to say you're off base at all.
That said - gonna defend my qualifier. I was referencing conference finishes only. Clearly there's a difference when looking at NCAA.
I found it more interesting that the programs haven't faired that differently during the regular season conference play but obviously have large perceptive differences (due in large part to the championship and NCAA). Observation more than anything.
The bottom line is that UR has been towards the top of the A10 for the most part but finishing 5th in the league doesn’t get you into the NCAA’s for the most part. That’s what separates a program like Davidson from UR. Mooney and UR have a chance to break through tomorrow and right the ship of this season with a massive win over vcu, history says they won’t do it but we’ll see. This is the biggest regular season game of Mooney’s career at UR and is what will likely be the game that defines his career. For all the best class ever and 2 year window talk this is it. If Mooney can’t win with this class and take them to the NCAA’s then he’s probably not going to be able to do it with any other class. It’s time to put up or shut up. I don’t think we can do it but that’s why they play the games. Only one thing to do and that’s to beat vcu, ain’t nothing to it but to do it.
Just curious, if VCU beats us are they still looking for a win against a decent team, or are we going to pull out the Covid excuses?
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Take a break Ram....your toy is on the desk
I would really like to see GG get the ball on the block. Ward is a good shot blocker, but GG can muscle him around in the post. VCU doesn't have anyone strong enough to guard Grant on the block.
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