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Tyler’s magical game and moving forward

Tyler has always had NBA athleticism, but lots of players have that and will never play in the NBA. What he has added this year though is his shot making ability. The combo of his height, jumping ability and that sweet soft release and arc he has on his shot though, that is a true NBA quality.

I'm sure he will do pre-draft workouts after the season and if he gets feedback that he is gonna be a first rounder, than by all means, he has to take that opportunity. However, I think another year here would make him a sure fire first rounder particularly if he can improve on his defensive footspeed and ballhandling abilities. Those two areas are the areas that I see that may hold him back at the NBA level.

I don't see him transferring. He knows our system and is excelling in our system.
 
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97spiderfan said:
Tyler has always had NBA athleticism, but lots of players have that and will never play in the NBA. What he has added this year though is his shot making ability. The combo of his height, jumping ability and that sweet soft release and arc he has on his shot though, that is a true NBA quality.

I'm sure he will do pre-draft workouts after the season and if he gets feedback that he is gonna be a first rounder, than by all means, he has to take that opportunity. However, I think another year here would make him a sure fire first rounder particularly if he can improve on his defensive footspeed and ballhandling abilities. Those two areas are the areas that I see that may hold him back at the NBA level.

I don't see him transferring. He knows our system and is excelling in our system.
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I agree with a lot you said here. I do differ on whether he would transfer or not. Any team in country would take him, and unless all the Duke players transfer here, we will be terrible. He would have two years under a good big man coach somewhere else, and go to the tournament twice.
 
Even more magical … wow … plan on seeing the next 2 wins against gmu in person and hope others come to the arena formerly known as the Patriot Center next Wednesday
 
Tyler’s dribbling and footwork is below average for the NBA. When trying to backdown
someone, he stumbles half the time and loses the ball. Honestly to me he does not look
like he is enjoying himself on the court.
 
CarolinaSpider said:
Tyler’s dribbling and footwork is below average for the NBA. When trying to backdown
someone, he stumbles half the time and loses the ball. Honestly to me he does not look
like he is enjoying himself on the court.
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maybe after Golden ripped him on the in game video? I didn't see that, I'm only going by what a number of folks on here described as weird and a little disconcerting. To me it sounded like typical fun ribbing you would expect from a teammate, or maybe an inside joke, but I don't have any context admittedly.
 
CarolinaSpider said:
Tyler’s dribbling and footwork is below average for the NBA. When trying to backdown
someone, he stumbles half the time and loses the ball. Honestly to me he does not look
like he is enjoying himself on the court.
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he still needs work, but he's got the tools.
 
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CarolinaSpider said:
Tyler’s dribbling and footwork is below average for the NBA. When trying to backdown
someone, he stumbles half the time and loses the ball. Honestly to me he does not look
like he is enjoying himself on the court.
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Unfortunately is below average for a college player. He has great attributes and a wealth of talent but these two issues are holding him back.
 
I like Tyler alot (haven't said anything about Grant in a while to my recollection) but nothing about him says NBA to me. As a two guard he's too slow and doesn't shoot well enough and can't handle the ball. As a three he's slightly undersized, can't create his own shot, and simply can't play D worth a lick.
This is mooney overselling... And the NBA scouts aren't going to sell Tyler to their respective teams. And he sits on the bench of lots of P6 teams if he decides to transfer so I don't see that happening. And God is he going to be the focus of defensive attention next year since we'll have very little else. He already can't get his shot off when closely guarded
 
If he does return I could see us force feeding him to the point that he gets his ~20 a game no matter how many shots it takes.

Still, he struggled against top end defenses this season so you’d hate to see what they could do to him without having to worry about Grant, Gilly, and whoever else moves on next season.
 
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Interesting take from a mock draft site listing 75 total players and with 4 potential NBA players from the A10. Appears presently Hall rated the highest after looking at more than a few sites. Probably for his ballhndling prowess at his size. At those sites when mentioned Burton slightly ahead of Lee. Maybe missed it but haven't seen Oduro's name mentioned anywhere.



TYLER BURTON
BIRTHDATE: 2/21/00
POSITION: Shooting Guard
HEIGHT: 6'7"
WEIGHT: 215
SCHOOL/ TEAM: Richmond
CLASS: Junior
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STRENGTHS​

  • 6’7” with strong frame and broad shoulders
  • Could be a weapon as an NBA small ball 4
  • Good athlete; Solid first step
  • Can make plays above the rim with a runway
  • Attacks closeouts on straight line drives
  • Has some shot creation ability
  • Active back door cutter; Cuts with a purpose
  • Can post up smaller defenders
  • Has a nice drive middle, reverse pivot pull up in arsenal
  • Can finish with both hands around rim
  • Capable shooter; high arching release
  • Strong rebounder
  • Better passer than numbers indicate
  • Good FT shooter

AREAS TO IMPROVE | CONCERNS​

  • Doesn’t have great vertical pop around rim finishing drives
  • Streaky shooter
  • Negative AST/TO ratio
  • Must improve as a pull shooter off the dribble


HYUNJUNG LEE
BIRTHDATE: 10/23/00
POSITION: Wing
HEIGHT: 6'7"
WEIGHT: 210
SCHOOL/ TEAM: Davidson
CLASS: Junior
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STRENGTHS​

  • Efficient 3 point shooter with a defined NBA role
  • Good size for a wing sniper
  • Moves off the ball; very active off screens
  • Solid ball mover and passer
  • Beautiful shooting stroke
  • Quick trigger; doesn’t need much space
  • Shooting gravity opens up the offense
  • Can shoot over the top of defenders
  • Excellent shooter but can attack close outs
  • Has some grit and toughness to him
  • Capable pull up shooter off the dribble
  • Solid wing rebounder
  • High IQ

AREAS TO IMPROVE | CONCERNS​

  • Will need to get stronger to fight through screens
  • Lacks ideal athleticism
  • Can be too unselfish


JORDAN HALL
BIRTHDATE: 1/14/02
POSITION: Point Forward
HEIGHT: 6'7"
WEIGHT: 215
SCHOOL/ TEAM: St. Joseph's
CLASS: Sophomore
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STRENGTHS​

  • Big guard initiator at 6’7” 215
  • Good size and frame to play multiple positions
  • Unselfish and willing playmaker
  • Advanced passing instincts with good touch and timing
  • See the entire floor; makes skip passes
  • Uses size to see over the top of defenses
  • Live dribble passer with both hands
  • Respectable shooter from 3 on high volume of attempts
  • Triple double threat
  • This years Dalano Banton (better shooter)

AREAS TO IMPROVE | CONCERNS​

  • Inefficient from floor as pick & roll ball handler
  • Tendency to force passes in tight spaces
  • High turnover rate
  • Rarely attacks the rim
  • Does not draw fouls or get to the line



JOSH ODURO
BIRTHDATE: 10/14/2000
POSITION: Center
HEIGHT: 6'9"
WEIGHT: 235
SCHOOL/ TEAM: George Mason
CLASS: Junior
STATS
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STRENGTHS​

  • Skilled and polished throwback low post scorer
  • Good footwork, balance and touch
  • Can face up and shoot from mid post
  • Excellent feel and instincts; plays with patience
  • Below the rim finisher and crafty around the rim
  • Finishes with both hands
  • Can put the ball on the floor and attack
  • Dream shakes in arsenal
  • Efficient low post scorer
  • Has a nice go to spin move
  • Effective rim protector
  • Collects stocks

AREAS TO IMPROVE | CONCERNS​

  • Prefers to pop instead of roll even though he's not a good shooter
  • Outside shooting and shooting range
  • Undersized center that doesn’t space the floor
  • Must improve FT shooting
  • Passing and decision making
  • Game may not fit modern NBA
 
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AREAS TO IMPROVE | CONCERNS​

  • Doesn’t have great vertical pop around rim finishing drive - I hope Tyler reads this and it pisses him off. He tried to dunk on that Dayton guy and got fouled. If he can get one of those poster dunks on a guys head itll really give him confidence around the rim going forward. Huge mental thing.
 
SpiderDogg said:

AREAS TO IMPROVE | CONCERNS​

  • Doesn’t have great vertical pop around rim finishing drive - I hope Tyler reads this and it pisses him off. He tried to dunk on that Dayton guy and got fouled. If he can get one of those poster dunks on a guys head itll really give him confidence around the rim going forward. Huge mental thing.
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I wish he kept it in two hands there, where he can get fouled and still finish. but good aggressive play. he's definitely got vertical pop.
 
SpiderDogg said:

AREAS TO IMPROVE | CONCERNS​

  • Doesn’t have great vertical pop around rim finishing drive - I hope Tyler reads this and it pisses him off. He tried to dunk on that Dayton guy and got fouled. If he can get one of those poster dunks on a guys head itll really give him confidence around the rim going forward. Huge mental thing.
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I think by "pop" they mean a player who doesn't have to gather himself (which Tyler does do very well) but someone with a "quick" jump. He doesn't have this. It may be something that can be improved but it probably something you're born with... fast twitch muscle fibers.
 
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So have to bump this thread one more time I started when I was trying to recover after the Drake collapse in the Des Moines airport …just had great random chat at Gaylord Nat Harbor steakhouse bar with a guy named Charles Hatcher who played high school bball with Quinton Burton and knew Tyler as a young kid - Charles played at Loyola Maryland …
 
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We probably don't appreciate him as much as we should because of the lack of winning. While he was out best prospect and leading scorer last year, I think everyone will remember and tag Gilyard and Golden as the leaders of the team and then Grace heroics down the stretch.

And this year - while he is putting up good numbers, the team is .500 right now. I think we would appreciate it more if the winning was there, especially this year, but unfortunately - I think Burton has to hope he turns on some heroics in the A10 tourney to get to the NCAA.
 
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Tyler was great last year. he's an even better player now.
I don't think this team is as good as last, but I do think we'll be playing our best basketball at the right time. we'll see if it's enough.
 
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