The Fight in Ukraine and its Heroes

[KE Spider]

Careful parsing of that report, can read what you choose from it. Overall, fairly balanced.

Trump, being Trump, overstates (lies about) his case, but for a European war the Continental countries should be overwhelmingly the largest contributors. They are not.

The point is very simple, WWII ended in 1945. It is no longer USA's responsibility to defend those who are capable of defending themselves and that have chiseled us for decades on defense spending.

Pony up, take care of yourselves, we have your back, but the largess is over and it should be. NATO survives, but Europeans need to pull up their big boy defense pants.

 

[urfan1]

Poinnt is the Europeans are doing just what you demand, give them credit.

 

[KE Spider]

'The United States is slightly ahead of the EU in providing military assistance, and the EU is slightly ahead of the United States in providing financial assistance. At the same time, almost 90% of financial assistance from EU institutions has been provided in the form of loans, albeit on very generous terms, and approximately 60% of U.S. financial assistance is provided in the form of grants."

"The publication notes that the largest European economies can do much more, as the annual commitments of Germany and Britain, together with the United States, amount to only 0.2% of their GDP."

Applaud the Europeans contributions, but submit not close to where it should be given it is a Eastern European war.

 

[Long Time Spider Fan]

The US, along with Russia, refused to vote today for a UN resolution condemning the Russian invasion of Ukraine. Sickening. Trump's adoration of Putin continues. Republicans truly have become the party of Putin.

 

[Eight Legger]

Trump had the nerve to insult the French president in the White House twice today during a press session, first by lying and saying that European countries were just loaning money to Ukraine but would get it back, and then (after Macron corrected him and said they had unconditionally given money to Ukraine) telling "Well you can believe that if you want to" and rolling his eyes.

A pathetic human being.

 

[Section 204and5]

Trump had the nerve to insult the French president in the White House twice today during a press session, first by lying and saying that European countries were just loaning money to Ukraine but would get it back, and then (after Macron corrected him and said they had unconditionally given money to Ukraine) telling "Well you can believe that if you want to" and rolling his eyes.

A pathetic human being.

Eight - pathetic human being is IMO a huge understatement. I personally think he is one of the top five worst human beings on the planet (Putin gets my top spot). I'm sure others think that equates to Trump Derangement Syndrome, but I'm pretty sure I could debate and win that argument.

 

[Eight Legger]

You're not wrong. Who else in history could lie about everything constantly, make blatantly offensive and dangerous decisions daily, attempt to overthrow the government of the nation he was elected to lead and then, when people dare to call him out for those things, manage to convince his sheep that he's being unfairly targeted by people who are simply out to get him. It's theater of the absurd and deranged. Millions of people who know better have fallen for it. It's a pathetic indictment on the absolute stupidity of our nation.

And to justify all of that, I'm sure someone will now chime in about three people dying in Benghazi as if Hillary herself executed them.

 

[Wood Hall]

Hey, we're voting on the same side as North Korea and Russia at the United Nations. What a great peer group.