Sy Chatman - 2018 Offer

[spider23]

We make the NCAA tournament last year with Bernard, too - and half of the threads on this board disappear.
This is also why Mooney is back next year.

So, we are saying Mooney is not able to quite bring in the talent required to reach the NCAA under last years and previous years academic requirements.
Are you saying this will be relaxed or Mooney will have more leeway under Hardt?
Or are you saying same old not quite good enough for 7 more years. I told Moliva not to look in the mirror *crack*.

 

[spiderman]

I'm sure he is a bright guy. I do not buy for one second that he chose where to spend the final two years of his basketball career based solely on which school could provide the exact graduate program he wanted. But it fits the narrative of poor little old us, we have no way to compete even with anyone in our own league for grad transfers.

of course we can compete for grad transfers with teams in our league for kids that are not getting transfer (and playing) opportunities in the P6. but this guy in particular with 2 years left made a decision that makes sense for him. he gets to play at a nice level and get a great degree that fits his long term goals. I know you want a coach that can sell ice to eskimos, but to me this smart kid seems to have made a smart choice.

 

[Eight Legger]

of course we can compete for grad transfers with teams in our league for kids that are not getting transfer (and playing) opportunities in the P6.

I've seen no evidence that we can. Have you?

 

[spider23]

Yes, from what I know (tweet tweet), Riley Abercrombie is planning to finish up undergrad and go to grad school for Raptor Biology. This is only school in nation with this masters.

 

[MrTbone]

I'm sure he is a bright guy. I do not buy for one second that he chose where to spend the final two years of his basketball career based solely on which school could provide the exact graduate program he wanted. But it fits the narrative of poor little old us, we have no way to compete even with anyone in our own league for grad transfers.

I think you're overbaking this one a bit. GW looked like it would be a better bball program than us going into last year. Obviously they pooped the bed a bit, but they had some really good pieces while we were looking at two good seniors and then a really young/inexperienced squad otherwise.

I wouldn't advance the theory he picked on academics, I bet he picked on them looking like a better program with NCAA chances than us. And in addition, they have better grad programs.

 

[64Spider]

Plus more exciting city than Richmond

 

[97spiderfan]

We make the NCAA tournament last year with Bernard, too - and half of the threads on this board disappear.
This is also why Mooney is back next year.

If Ced wouldn't have gotten hurt, we make the NCAA, if we get Bernard we make the NCAA. Those are presumptions. You can't base your decisions on what might have happened, we have to base your decisions on what actually happened.

It is entirely possible that Bernard might not have meshed well last year, we still could have lost those same games with Ced when he got hurt. All we know for sure is what did happen.

If Pat Chambers takes Penn State to the NCAA, Chris Mooney will be on the only head coach still currently employed at an A-10 program level or higher, that has not taken there team to the NCAA in 7 years.

 

[spiderman]

I think the "ifs" matter. both ways.
because if we had won the A10 tournament last year or 2 years before that, I really don't think that should change your mind whether you think CM is a good coach or not.

 

[Eight Legger]

I think the "ifs" matter. both ways.
because if we had won the A10 tournament last year or 2 years before that, I really don't think that should change your mind whether you think CM is a good coach or not.

I mean, part of being a good coach is winning when it matters most, no? Had we lost on a full-court buzzer-beating three in the title game, that would have been one thing. We didn't get nearly that close.

 

[9Legs]

Loo- ks like he has all the attributes we would be looking for in a Spring signee. Doesn't matter a whole lot if he is 6-6 or 6-8, but that might affect who we are competing with. We could use another inside guy, and this player can handle the ball, can finish, can rebound and can block shots. These are all valuable skills to add to the roster. We do not have to have everyone on the team who can shoot from outside or be a dead-eye with the 3-ball.

I would really like to see us get a commitment for a visit, since we tend to close well after bringing guys in for a visit, and this guy may be our #1 target right now. If so, a mutual decision could be reached in a short time-frame, if the visit goes well. We need to get the visit set up as a 1st order of business, and then see how things go. I hope this one works out.

"I would really like to see us get a commitment for a visit, since we tend to close well after bringing guys in for a visit,..."- ???- I am surprised by this statement based on our limited recruiting success. If this is true, it leaves one to believe that we are having a hard time since our Sweet 16 season getting quality recruits to visit especially if you leave out Buckingham and Sherrod who are locals.

 

[97spiderfan]

I think the "ifs" matter. both ways.
because if we had won the A10 tournament last year or 2 years before that, I really don't think that should change your mind whether you think CM is a good coach or not.

I can only speak for myself, but had Chris gotten us to the NCAA at least once in the past 6 years, my view of him would be different. But he didn't and as Eight said, he hasn't really gotten us even all that close. We bow out early in the A-10 tournament every year and our resume has not been good enough for bubble consideration 5 of those 6 years.

Results and winning matter to me, A LOT.

 

[spiderman]

ok, but what if we somehow win it this year? sub-.500 record, but we dance. is that a successful season? maybe this time since we're young and turned it around, but I don't think we'd be happy dancing each year with this record and a 15-16 seed.

 

[Eight Legger]

Yeah, I would really HATE going to the NCAAs every year...

 

[97spiderfan]

ok, but what if we somehow win it this year? sub-.500 record, but we dance. is that a successful season? maybe this time since we're young and turned it around, but I don't think we'd be happy dancing each year with this record and a 15-16 seed.

Anytime you make the playoffs, it is a successful season.

 

[spiderman]

I think that tune would get old in like 2 years, getting our asses kicked as a 16. I'd want more and I think you would too.

 

[Eight Legger]

Beggars can't be choosers. I just want to make the NCAAs. At this point it's been so long that I don't care how we get there. If we win the A-10 tournament this year, this season was a success in my book, absolutely. Maybe after 4 or 5 straight years of going with a losing record every year I would feel differently, but it beats the alternative

 

[ChoppinBroccoli]

I'm not saying I agree with it; you know my thoughts on the coach. Someone with better knowledge than me of the thinking inside the Robins Center (a low bar, I admit) told me that.

1. With Malcolm Bernard, we make the tourney, and we aren't having this conversation.
2. Mooney could have "pulled a Rocco" regarding #1, and instead was a good soldier.

 

[Eight Legger]

2. Mooney could have "pulled a Rocco" regarding #1, and instead was a good soldier.

Rocco pulled a Rocco because he knew he had a higher paying job waiting for him. Mooney doesn't, so he would potentially be forfeiting about $6 million if he did something that could upset the apple cart and get him fired for cause.

 

[whampas]

Rocco pulled a Rocco because he knew he had a higher paying job waiting for him. Mooney doesn't, so he would potentially be forfeiting about $6 million if he did something that could upset the apple cart and get him fired for cause.

Agree. Plus Rocco was a jerk.

 

[coach fezz]

I think if we double clona na lopta ball screen we win every game

 

[kneepadmckinney]

I think if we double clona na lopta ball screen we win every game

Fezz--I'm interested in this. Who doubles/where does the double come from in the matchup zone?

Right now, the play starts with Gilyard/Fore guarding the ball handler. Opponent big man comes up to the top of the key for a screen, with Grant following. Grant switches off onto the ballhandler as the ballhandler comes across the screen. Gilyard/Fore dives to the corner to cover the opponent wing spotting up for the three point shot, and Sherod/Buck leave the wing to pick up the big man rolling from the top of the key.

In this scenario, what would you replace/do differently?

Incidentally, this aspect of the matchup has adapted from the time of Samhan, where our small guard (Anderson) would simply follow the big man after the screen. Our adjustment has been to use our wings (currently Sherod and Buck) to pick up that player, with the hopes that 6-4 and pretty strong is better than 5-10 when guarding the opposing center.

 

[SFspidur]

Sy picked up an offer from Bradley...

 

[Ulla1]

Nice video of Sy:

 

[nathanw19]

Need height and he looks to be an athletic big (or at least a 4). Doesn’t seem to be the prototypical Richmond big (See GG). Hope would be he continues to grow as a player and matures into a future Harper/Terry Allen type. Sign me up.

 

[SFspidur]

UNI offer...

 

[97spiderfan]

Agree. Plus Rocco was a jerk.

Honestly, I don't care if Rocco was a jerk and upset folks within the Robins Center. Rocco is a great coach, he could recruit, and he won.

I don't need our coaches to be "nice guys" or to say hi to me, or make me feel good as a supporter of the program. That isn't their job. Their job is win. Mooney's got like 6 rows of access cravers sitting behind him every game but the other 95% of the arena just want to win. Those access cravers lose their seats if we are winning though because UR would be selling those seats for premium bucks instead of deep dollar discounts to Mooney's personal cheerleading section.

 

[VT_Spider]

Honestly, I don't care if Rocco was a jerk and upset folks within the Robins Center. Rocco is a great coach, he could recruit, and he won.

I don't need our coaches to be "nice guys" or to say hi to me, or make me feel good as a supporter of the program. That isn't their job. Their job is win. Mooney's got like 6 rows of access cravers sitting behind him every game but the other 95% of the arena just want to win. Those access cravers lose their seats if we are winning though because UR would be selling those seats for premium bucks instead of deep dollar discounts to Mooney's personal cheerleading section.

Couldn't agree more. Bob Huggins at WVU for example is a jerk but guess what, they win.

 

[nathanw19]

Couldn't agree more. Bob Huggins at WVU for example is a jerk but guess what, they win.

To be fair, Bob Huggins coaches brawling and a basketball game some times breaks out.

That being said, I don’t need a nice guy as a coach (though I’m sure it sells better, especially to the UofR contingent), I’m looking for winning (and nothing going on that makes me embarrassed to be a fan/alumn).

 

[whampas]

Honestly, I don't care if Rocco was a jerk and upset folks within the Robins Center. Rocco is a great coach, he could recruit, and he won.

I don't need our coaches to be "nice guys" or to say hi to me, or make me feel good as a supporter of the program. That isn't their job. Their job is win. Mooney's got like 6 rows of access cravers sitting behind him every game but the other 95% of the arena just want to win. Those access cravers lose their seats if we are winning though because UR would be selling those seats for premium bucks instead of deep dollar discounts to Mooney's personal cheerleading section.

Just for the record, I don't care that Rocco is a jerk. Merely pointing out an observation. However, it makes it real easy to root against him now. And, I don't care that Mooney is a nice guy, although his true colors may be surfacing. Just play by the rules and win.

 

[97spiderfan]

Just for the record, I don't care that Rocco is a jerk. Merely pointing out an observation. However, it makes it real easy to root against him now. And, I don't care that Mooney is a nice guy, although his true colors may be surfacing. Just play by the rules and win.

I hear you. As I watch this season play out and the adversity and Mooney's response, his "nice guy" image has tarnished a bit.

 

[Ulla1]

Check this out:

 

[Ulla1]

Update:

 

[Ulla1]

 

[spider23]

This is an interesting player. Some of the earlier highlight videos I was not overly impressed with his skill, motor, athleticism. The last couple he has looked like a pretty good player. Looking at the offer list, these are the types of schools that really we should be beating out - we have the campus, history, facilities, etc - just seem to lack the dynamic coach/program. Recent history would indicate that UNI is the team to beat though - they have gone dancing in 2009,2010,2015,and 2016. I'd like us to go ahead and get this guy, and Bryce Golden - and that will begin to restore my faith in Mooney. I have to be honest he has torn it down, but do this and we can talk.

 

[Eight Legger]

My favorite part was at :43.

 

[gospidersgo]

Update:

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Watching this video I can see some Terry Allen in his game.

 

[nathanw19]

Rather Sy than the juco we offered. Still trying not to get excited though...

 

[SpiderK]

I saw a little bit of Nick Sherod with the soft shooting touch, but with a little more hops.

 

[plydogg]

Rather Sy than the juco we offered. Still trying not to get excited though...

Right now the nice part is we have two spots available so if Golden is a no-go we can get both. Would much rather get any two of the 3 (Golden, Sy, Roydell Brown) than end up with a grad transfer who won't play and another guy who will redshirt and not play much. This is the chance to lose ZERO player who made an impact last year while bringing in THREE players who can make an impact and be part of the rotation next year. That right now is really what we need in my humble opinion. I do understand though that IF it comes down to Sy vs. Roydell Brown we'd probably prefer Sy but right now luckily we still have the 2 spots available so we can get excited about 2 guys instead of 1!

 

[97spiderfan]

Right now the nice part is we have two spots available so if Golden is a no-go we can get both. Would much rather get any two of the 3 (Golden, Sy, Roydell Brown) than end up with a grad transfer who won't play and another guy who will redshirt and not play much. This is the chance to lose ZERO player who made an impact last year while bringing in THREE players who can make an impact and be part of the rotation next year. That right now is really what we need in my humble opinion. I do understand though that IF it comes down to Sy vs. Roydell Brown we'd probably prefer Sy but right now luckily we still have the 2 spots available so we can get excited about 2 guys instead of 1!

Roydell and Sy are not competing for the same spot, in my opinion. I also think we are going to be offering a number of high school, grad transfers, and regular transfers in the coming weeks. We have a minimum of 2 spots open right now.