Sy Chatman - 2018 Offer

[SFspidur]

6'7" or 6'8" PF out of St. Paul, MN. Offers from UMass, Toledo, Siena, Northeastern, and Bryant.

http://www.verbalcommits.com/players/sy-chatman

https://www.prephoops.com/2017/11/recruiting-report-sy-chatman-2018-3/

https://www.prephoops.com/2018/02/video-sy-chatman-offered-umass/

 

[urmite]

http://myrecruiteztips.typepad.com/...best-unsigned-senior-prospect-in-midwest.html

 

[spiderman]

I like what I see here. would be a good late get.

 

[Spider_Byte]

Looks strong and can put on even more... Could own the boards. Love him!

 

[Eight Legger]

Looks good, and we have a great track record of developing big men from Minnesota.... Oh, wait.

 

[97spiderfan]

3 articles, 3 different heights, 6'9, 6'8 and 6'6. I like his aggressive play around the rim.

 

[spiderman]

I love him if he's 6'9" but doesn't look 6'9" in the videos. strong kid with pretty good body control. not a great shooter, unfortunately.

 

[fan2011]

Not super impressed with his offer list, but he does have some other offers which is a good sign. Doesn't seem to have the accolades or interest of Buck, Sherod, GG, JG, or Sal but there are not many players like that left at this point in the recruiting season. Could be good.

 

[spiderman]

watched more video on twitter ... really like this kid. probably 6'7". really runs the floor. form looks good. pretty explosive. thumbs up here.

 

[urmite]

I'll say yes. Just based on having an incoming class of "Sy & Sal"

 

[coach fezz]

Looks good, and we have a great track record of developing big men from Minnesota.... Oh, wait.

I think we don’t develop any big men

 

[97spiderfan]

Not super impressed with his offer list, but he does have some other offers which is a good sign. Doesn't seem to have the accolades or interest of Buck, Sherod, GG, JG, or Sal but there are not many players like that left at this point in the recruiting season. Could be good.

If next year is the year we hope to make a run (yes I know we say this every year), I would like this final scholarship to go to a grad transfer who can help us win next year, versus a freshman, who is going to sit the bench or redshirt. At some point, we have to go for it.

Granted on the basis of our two grad transfer signings thus far, Mooney and his staff are completely inept at this whole grad transfer process, because both of those signing were essentially just to fill the 13th uniform on the team. In those cases, we would have been better off signing a high school recruit.

 

[spiderman]

we haven't been able to attract the kind of grad transfer you're looking for and I think that has more to do with UR than CM.
so I'll take someone like Chatman.

 

[Eight Legger]

Not sure how you can say it's a UR issue, when a school very similar to ours academically and in our league signed two of the last three grad transfers we really wanted, Mitola and Steeves. And they came from Dartmouth and Harvard, so I don't want to hear that it was an admissions issue.

 

[spiderman]

Not sure how you can say it's a UR issue, when a school very similar to ours academically and in our league signed two of the last three grad transfers we really wanted, Mitola and Steeves.

I don't believe GW is similar to UR on a graduate level.

 

[urmite]

Not sure how you can say it's a UR issue, when a school very similar to ours academically and in our league signed two of the last three grad transfers we really wanted, Mitola and Steeves. And they came from Dartmouth and Harvard, so I don't want to hear that it was an admissions issue.

I don't believe GW is similar to UR on a graduate level.

So you don't thing GW & UR have all the same graduate school majors and similar graduate school reputation?

 

[Eight Legger]

I don't believe GW is similar to UR on a graduate level.

Yes, GW offers more, but as you already established in another thread, most of these kids aren't seriously pursuing master's degrees anyway, so what does it matter? Steeves is working on a master's in business analytics. I suspect our MBA program would have been equally appealing. Mitola spent a year working toward a master's in international trade and investments, which is more specialized than anything we offer, but again I doubt he is still in school there trying to finish that one anyway.

 

[spiderman]

So you don't thing GW & UR have all the same graduate school majors and similar graduate school reputation?

I haven't looked it up so could be totally wrong. apologies. I understood we had a pretty limited grad school.

if I remember right, Steeves wanted to work towards a grad degree we didn't offer.
Mitola wasn't exactly a game changer transfer. and he never even visited UR.

 

[spiderman]

Eight ... so yes, there could be a fit. I'm not saying we don't continue to monitor and look for a fit. but difference maker grad transfers will almost always go P6. Steeves, though, is a good example of a solid player and would have helped.

I think we're an excellent 4 year destination. I don't see us as a priority landing spot for a guy looking for 1 special year.

 

[Eight Legger]

We make the NCAA tournament last year with Steeves starting beside TJ, and we start this year a hell of a lot better with an experienced big to help out Grant and the younger guys. Missing on him was a bitter pill to swallow, especially considering that he went to a worse program with a terrible coach. I still can't believe we lost him there. If this staff can't land a guy like that, I agree, we should stop trying to land grad transfers forever.

 

[97spiderfan]

Eight ... so yes, there could be a fit. I'm not saying we don't continue to monitor and look for a fit. but difference maker grad transfers will almost always go P6.

Huh, there are a ton of impactful grad transfers playing at many non-P6 programs? And Mooney has brought in a bunch for workouts the past 2 years, he just is unable to land them. If what you are saying is true, than Mooney has been wasting a whole lot of recruiting time these past 2 years.

 

[fan2011]

Huh, there are a ton of impactful grad transfers playing at many non-P6 programs? And Mooney has brought in a bunch for workouts the past 2 years, he just is unable to land them. If what you are saying is true, than Mooney has been wasting a whole lot of recruiting time these past 2 years.

Mooney should have realized he was wasting his time recruiting grad students after the Bernard situation. Do you think there are any other D1 schools (with grad programs) who wouldn't have accepted him? It is going to be really easy for an opposing coach to point out what happened to Bernard when we are competing for grad students. "Oh sure, Mooney says you will be admitted, but after waiting all summer and having all the other schools fill up your rosters the admissions department will deny you and you will be left put to dry." I am very happy Xavier still had a spot for Bernard after our admissions department finally made up their mind, would have felt absolutely horrible if he was cheated out of his last year of college basketball.

 

[spider23]

Agree about going for an impact grad transfer with the open slot (OR BRYCE of course). We already have Phoenix and Tomas grooming on the interior, and Mooney will not break the mold of playing Paul more than 4 minutes. I do think we need to finally land a guy that can contribute right away and help out Grant.

 

[32counter]

Yes, GW offers more, but as you already established in another thread, most of these kids aren't seriously pursuing master's degrees anyway, so what does it matter? Steeves is working on a master's in business analytics. I suspect our MBA program would have been equally appealing. Mitola spent a year working toward a master's in international trade and investments, which is more specialized than anything we offer, but again I doubt he is still in school there trying to finish that one anyway.

Wrong.Steeves will be writing algorithms for a top firm like Goldman or Blackstone once he enters the work force.

Here are Steeves core courses in obtaining an MS in Business Analytics.Our MBA is a candy store compared to this.Steeves majored in Applied Mathematics at Harvard.

MSBA Course Requirements

The following requirements must be fulfilled: 33 credits, including 25.5 credits in required courses and 7.5 credits in elective courses.

Required
DNSC 6201 Introduction to Business Analytics
DNSC 6203 Statistics for Analytics I
DNSC 6206 Stochastic Foundation: Probability Models
DNSC 6210 Decision and Risk Analytics
DNSC 6211 Programming for Analytics
DNSC 6212 Optimization Methods and Applications
DNSC 6213 Statistics for Analytics II
DNSC 6216 Business Analytics Skills Workshops
DNSC 6217 Business Analytics Practicum
DNSC 6219 Time Series Forecasting for Analytics
DNSC 6279 Data Mining
ISTM 6212 Data Management for Analytics
Electives
7.5 credits in elective courses selected in consultation with the advisor.

 

[MrTbone]

Well that effectively killed this thread.

 

[Eight Legger]

Somehow I doubt seriously that Steeves made his decision based on the available grad programs.

 

[32counter]

Somehow I doubt seriously that Steeves made his decision based on the available grad programs.

Moots the previous ubstantiated and erroneous statement that a UR MBA = GW MSBA

Apples and Orange comparison.Steeves made the absolute correct decision.He didn’t go to Harvard to end up playing in the D-League in Sioux City or in an unpronounceable town in Greece.

Here were the UR options for Steeves:

Master's Degrees

• Master's of Business Administration (MBA)
• Education: Curriculum and Instruction
• Education: Educational Leadership & Policy Studies
• Human Resources Management
• Master of Liberal Arts
• Nonprofit Studies

 

[Eight Legger]

Moots the previous ubstantiated and erroneous statement that a UR MBA = GW MSBA

Apples and Orange comparison.Steeves made the absolute correct decision.He didn’t go to Harvard to end up playing in the D-League in Sioux City or in an unpronounceable town in Greece.

Here were the UR options for Steeves:

Master's Degrees

• Master's of Business Administration (MBA)
• Education: Curriculum and Instruction
• Education: Educational Leadership & Policy Studies
• Human Resources Management
• Master of Liberal Arts
• Nonprofit Studies

I never said the degrees were the same. My point is that we keep inventing reasons why it's "so hard" for us to enroll capable grad transfers, as if all of them are out here looking for legit master's programs in which to spend a year or two. Bullshit. They are looking to play basketball at the highest level they can for another year or two, Steeves included.

 

[32counter]

I never said the degrees were the same. My point is that we keep inventing reasons why it's "so hard" for us to enroll capable grad transfers, as if all of them are out here looking for legit master's programs in which to spend a year or two. Bullshit. They are looking to play basketball at the highest level they can for another year or two, Steeves included.

“ Steeves is working on a master's in business analytics. I suspect our MBA program would havebeen equally appealing.”

Why would our MBA program be as appealing as an MSBA program for a guy that has graduated from Harvard with a Math degree.Help me with the logic.

 

[urmite]

Mooney should have realized he was wasting his time recruiting grad students after the Bernard situation. Do you think there are any other D1 schools (with grad programs) who wouldn't have accepted him? It is going to be really easy for an opposing coach to point out what happened to Bernard when we are competing for grad students. "Oh sure, Mooney says you will be admitted, but after waiting all summer and having all the other schools fill up your rosters the admissions department will deny you and you will be left put to dry." I am very happy Xavier still had a spot for Bernard after our admissions department finally made up their mind, would have felt absolutely horrible if he was cheated out of his last year of college basketball.

But are they going to say “If you try to go to UR, you will play 28 minutes a game on the 30th best team in the NCAA” ?

 

[MrTbone]

I never said the degrees were the same. My point is that we keep inventing reasons why it's "so hard" for us to enroll capable grad transfers, as if all of them are out here looking for legit master's programs in which to spend a year or two. Bullshit. They are looking to play basketball at the highest level they can for another year or two, Steeves included.

While I would agree with this in 99% of cases, Steeves may actually be a one-percenter. He was a Harvard grad with two years of eligibility and virtually no likelihood/desire to play professional basketball after. So entirely possible he picked in no small part on academics.

That said, CM isn’t a great closer based on a variety of other examples.

 

[32counter]

While I would agree with this in 99% of cases, Steeves may actually be a one-percenter. He was a Harvard grad with two years of eligibility and virtually no likelihood/desire to play professional basketball after. So entirely possible he picked in no small part on academics.

Bingo.Nice that you came to your fellow poster’s rescue.Was going into the deep end
without a flotation device.

 

[Eight Legger]

Right. Keep me posted on Steeves' lucrative analytics career, would you?

 

[Spideroldie]

Looks like he has all the attributes we would be looking for in a Spring signee. Doesn't matter a whole lot if he is 6-6 or 6-8, but that might affect who we are competing with. We could use another inside guy, and this player can handle the ball, can finish, can rebound and can block shots. These are all valuable skills to add to the roster. We do not have to have everyone on the team who can shoot from outside or be a dead-eye with the 3-ball.

I would really like to see us get a commitment for a visit, since we tend to close well after bringing guys in for a visit, and this guy may be our #1 target right now. If so, a mutual decision could be reached in a short time-frame, if the visit goes well. We need to get the visit set up as a 1st order of business, and then see how things go. I hope this one works out.

 

[Not-A-Homer]

We make the NCAA tournament last year with Steeves starting beside TJ, and we start this year a hell of a lot better with an experienced big to help out Grant and the younger guys. Missing on him was a bitter pill to swallow, especially considering that he went to a worse program with a terrible coach. I still can't believe we lost him there. If this staff can't land a guy like that, I agree, we should stop trying to land grad transfers forever.

The question is whether or not Steeves would have played "along side" Cline. With Mooney as coach, history says that the answer is no.

 

[fan2011]

The question is whether or not Steeves would have played "along side" Cline. With Mooney as coach, history says that the answer is no.

Marshal Wood, Deion Taylor, ANO, and Terry Allen all played alongside Cline under Mooney. They were all Steeves height or taller. The only players Mooney did not play simultaneously with Grant/Cline are Kwesi, JMA, and Friendshuh. Not sure why people are so upset about Mooney not putting those players on the court at the 4.

 

[spiderman]

Eight, no idea why you seem so confident that Steeves isn't a really smart guy with a bright business future.

I wanted Brase, and the 2.8 ppg he brought to Iowa St.

 

[spider23]

Eight, no idea why you seem so confident that Steeves isn't a really smart guy with a bright business future.

I wanted Brase, and the 2.8 ppg he brought to Iowa St.

Can someone please list out the courses offered for Brase?

 

[ChoppinBroccoli]

We make the NCAA tournament last year with Steeves starting beside TJ, and we start this year a hell of a lot better with an experienced big to help out Grant and the younger guys. Missing on him was a bitter pill to swallow, especially considering that he went to a worse program with a terrible coach. I still can't believe we lost him there. If this staff can't land a guy like that, I agree, we should stop trying to land grad transfers forever.

We make the NCAA tournament last year with Bernard, too - and half of the threads on this board disappear.
This is also why Mooney is back next year.

 

[Eight Legger]

Eight, no idea why you seem so confident that Steeves isn't a really smart guy with a bright business future.

I wanted Brase, and the 2.8 ppg he brought to Iowa St.

I'm sure he is a bright guy. I do not buy for one second that he chose where to spend the final two years of his basketball career based solely on which school could provide the exact graduate program he wanted. But it fits the narrative of poor little old us, we have no way to compete even with anyone in our own league for grad transfers.