Rhode Island
- Thread starter spider23
- Start date
There you go again, no one said 15 minutes except for you. And how about just playing him in every game? CM has said he needs to play Wilson more. Do you not agree with CM? That would be a first!
I agree that Mooney should say that, as a compliment to Wilson, as a reminder that he's doing the right things in practice. It definitely doesn't mean he needs to play every game, or play more when he does play. As well as Jacob and Blake shot the ball and played yesterday, did you really want Wilson on the floor more? Nothing against Wilson at all, and I have said I like him, but I want Jacob and Blake on the floor as much as possible, even 40 minutes some games if necessary, and if Goose is healthy, he is the guy I hope we sub for them.
I thought the 7 minutes he got last night was just about right. Just want to see that consistently.
I strongly disagree. Not getting back on defense because you’re complaining to the refs is inexcusable to me. Absolutely inexcusable.
Maybe, maybe not. But, as a coach, you just can't go into a game saying I have to give this young, inexperienced guy at least 7 minutes so he can learn. I really don't know any coaches out there that do that.
Nobody said they don’t want Grant on the floor. I said he doesn’t show effort, and I stand by that. The rest of this has nothing to do with effort.
If there was a rule as a sports fan that you aren’t allowed to be critical of your own team and players then sports would have ceased to exist years ago. Criticism is a necessity in sports, but you are so anti-criticism or against any other views that you view it as an attack.
Of course I don't mean he should see at least 7 minutes every game...I just think it would be a good average. More than the 3 minutes he had been averaging...closer to 2 if you don't include his 13 minutes in the first game of the season.
Criticizing bad shooting or bad defense is one thing, but it sure does seem like an attack when you question someone's effort. We can just disagree because I have seen nothing but great effort from all of our guys this year.
My goodness, if you want him to average that, then he would likely need double digit minutes several games. So, who do you want sitting that long? Jacob, Blake, or Tyler? And, that's not even including Andre when he gets back. It seems like you are only concerned about getting him minutes because he's young and needs to learn. Am I correct in saying that? So, what about Bailey then? Shouldn't you also be asking for minutes for him? So, might as well give him some and sit our starters that much longer, right?
All of our starters played over 30 minutes last night. How is this going to help us when we get near the end of the season? Not sustainable.
I like what I've seen from Wilson. He's had a few miscues, but overall he doesn't seem to hurt us much when he's in there. I don't think 5-9 minutes per night is unreasonable.
I haven't seen Bailey enough to get a feel for whether he's ready.
I think everybody could sit a little bit more and we would be just fine.
Are you really saying any of our starters should play less than 30 minutes? Maybe Grant because that worked a lot last year, but if he needs to be out there for 30, that should be okay. But, who, other than Grant, do you think should ever play less than 30? Even 35 or 36 seems fine with halftime and all the media timeouts.
These kids get tired legs come February.
Don’t you think it would be nice though if they didn’t have to play that many minutes? They play those minutes out of necessity, but I’m sure they’d be relieved if we had better bench options that gave them the chance to rest for a few more minutes each game. In most cases in basketball guys are more efficient around that 30 minute mark then when they’re stretched to 36-40 minutes every single game.
Gilly (11th) and Blake (33rd) are both among the top in the country in terms of percent of available minutes played, according to KenPom. They certainly don't need to be under 30, but very few guys play more than they do. They're certainly going to say they can play the full 40, but can't help but think everyone might benefit from a little bit more of a breather.
No matter who gets the minutes off the bench, more of them must be used. I don't see it sustainable unless UR begins playing at a game pace like the Cuse or ND who usually are very patient on offense. Mooney should be getting 40 minutes minimum from the bench. Want to know where UR ranks with bench minutes? The BOTTOM in the country at 15.3%. That means every starter averages 34 minutes.
I see where Mooney being shorthanded has to go with the starters to get these wins. I would do the same. He's figuring Goose comes back soon than more minutes for the bench. Game against GM even without Goose should be one where those minutes should be handed out. Forget getting up big early as prerequisite. I EXPECT win no matter what, with whoever off the bench to get to 40 minutes.
Could see using a bigger lineup with Sal getting 20 mimutes, Wilson and Grace 10 each or maybe more. I know Grace is limited but has been a better player than I ever imagined. Just tell him no 3 PTAs and layups only. Play defense and rebound. Looking at the schedule Mooney should have this game circled as one where the starters get as much rest as possible.
I see where Mooney being shorthanded has to go with the starters to get these wins. I would do the same. He's figuring Goose comes back soon than more minutes for the bench. Game against GM even without Goose should be one where those minutes should be handed out. Forget getting up big early as prerequisite. I EXPECT win no matter what, with whoever off the bench to get to 40 minutes.
Could see using a bigger lineup with Sal getting 20 mimutes, Wilson and Grace 10 each or maybe more. I know Grace is limited but has been a better player than I ever imagined. Just tell him no 3 PTAs and layups only. Play defense and rebound. Looking at the schedule Mooney should have this game circled as one where the starters get as much rest as possible.
I hear you guys, but they do get breathers. I just want them on the floor as much as possible. A couple minutes each half for 36 minutes each total seems like plenty of rest to me. And, sometimes in the 2nd half I'm just not that comfortable ever taking either one out. We can disagree, but I don't know why we are worried about giving our best players so much rest.
No, all of our starters don't average over 34 minutes. Not even close. They average 37, 36, 31, 30, and 27. And, that is with losing Nick for the season and losing 2 other rotation guys for multiple games so far. You shouldn't just throw your 10th and 11th (or even 12th when counting Nick) guys into the rotation every game just because you're down a few guys. Sometimes, starters need to play more minutes, but it sure does seem like a lot of complaining over nothing right now.
It’s not “complaining over nothing”. It’s a decade straight of Mooney misusing the bench or simply not recruiting well enough to even have a bench.
To me and others here it is unacceptable that we continue to see the same issue year after year. If it ain’t broke don’t fix it is a great saying. But they don’t tell you if it’s broke and leaking oil then go get it fixed immediately. We’re leaking oil and maybe even sparking a bit. I don’t see everything being “fine and dandy” right now. I see some pretty big issues that need to be addressed.
To me and others here it is unacceptable that we continue to see the same issue year after year. If it ain’t broke don’t fix it is a great saying. But they don’t tell you if it’s broke and leaking oil then go get it fixed immediately. We’re leaking oil and maybe even sparking a bit. I don’t see everything being “fine and dandy” right now. I see some pretty big issues that need to be addressed.
I wanna see more of Wilson but right now Mooney's bench options are pretty limited, esp. with Grace sidelined. I think Wilson will get better as he gets game minutes.
Wonder what is up with Dji. I have not seen him except for the first game.
Wonder what is up with Dji. I have not seen him except for the first game.
Yes, I see a lot of complaining over either nothing, or things out of our control. At the beginning of the year, we were looking at Tyler, Goose, and Crabtree off the bench, with Grace and Sal subbing for Grant. Do you really have a problem with that? So, the last few games we were down three guys, and I think all things considered have done pretty damn good with the bench, getting who at the beginning of the year was our 11th man some minutes here and there while Goose is out. When Goose gets back, we can go 8 deep, and there is no need to go more than eight deep just to get a freshman some minutes. And, I think it's pretty damn good to beat Davidson and Rhode Island without Nick, Goose, and Crabtree, and it means you must be doing something right with your rotation.
Last edited:
Okay not exactly 34. I got the 15.3% bench minutes from Kenpom. My math says 200 X .153 = 30.6 minutes. 200 - 30.6 = 169.4. Have 169.4 minutes between 5 players = 33.88. I think it's close, whatever.
Never mentioned 10, 11, 12th guys. I see 8 max at Mooney's disposal presently if no Goose. I mean if Wilson can't get 10 minutes against GM, when could he? In my mind this MUST be a win and maybe getting Wilson some additional minutes this game helps out later in the year if he HAS to play.
If the goal is sustained program success, then younger players need in game developmental experience. If the goal is to be very good periodically, then you don't play younger players and rely on the seasoned program veterans. We have 15 years of data to figure out where CM is on the issue.
Wouldn’t it be nice to have a capable backup big man if grant gets on fouls trouble? Yes it would be. Grant could play a lot more free as a result and the team would be better off. Ever seen how vcu plays about 12 guys but none of them really play more than 25 minutes? It seems to work out pretty well for them. Man it would be nice to have that problem. Oh wait mooney is still the coach so we don’t do anything that would ever make sense.
At some point during the debate we will need to blame admission standards.
I don't think last year's 24-7 team where we had I think maybe 12 wins by 17 or more points is walking through that door anytime soon. We just are not the same team without Nick. We miss him, especially his three-point shooting. Last year alone, he had 6 games with five or more made threes, and 13 with three or more made threes. And, he was 10th in the country in percentage, just under 44%, which makes everyone else that much better when you have a weapon like that on the floor. We can still win without him, have done a pretty good job so far, and the goal should definitely still be to make the dance, but it is what it is. We should expect closer games this year.
Well, first of all, it's hard enough to have one big like Grant at a mid major. Yet, you want 2? I don't care who we have backing up Grant, I would expect a big drop off. And, no matter who backs him up, I would want Grant to stay out of foul trouble. He is that valuable.
lack of quality, ready-to-play depth has definitely been a problem for many years and that's on Mooney.
this is the first year that I thought we were past that. then a bunch of bad happened with Sherod, Crabtree, Weir and Goose.
with Goose out, Wilson has to give us 6-10 mpg of solid play. when Goose comes back healthy, to me Goose gets all the backup guard minutes and some more at the 3. tough for Wilson, but that's the situation this year. he can fight for a much bigger role next year. but for this season, we play to win. every game. if we get a comfortable lead then we can get the bench more time. but we don't like comfortable leads.
this is the first year that I thought we were past that. then a bunch of bad happened with Sherod, Crabtree, Weir and Goose.
with Goose out, Wilson has to give us 6-10 mpg of solid play. when Goose comes back healthy, to me Goose gets all the backup guard minutes and some more at the 3. tough for Wilson, but that's the situation this year. he can fight for a much bigger role next year. but for this season, we play to win. every game. if we get a comfortable lead then we can get the bench more time. but we don't like comfortable leads.
8legs1dream
Graduate Assistant
man VT is working overtime in this thread, I hope Mooney appreciates his efforts
Strange comment. We have played freshman more than a lot of teams during Mooney's time here, and many have gotten a lot of minutes.
If he is reading this, we have a lot bigger problems than you guys think. I have criticized him when I felt he deserved it.
He didn’t say he wants two Grants (although we would love that). He said a capable backup.
I like you VT. You have a fire and passion that is badly needed for a fanbase, especially a moderately small one like ours. But too often I see you put words in people’s mouths or make straw man arguments. You raise some damn good points on a consistent basis, but when you do these other points it impacts credibility. Like the boy who cried Wolf.
trust me i know what it is like. My credibility among most here is very low due to my own actions, treatment of others, as well as consistently blaming officiating. I’d like you to always keep that fire and passion, but I’d like to see that effort used up in a productive way.
Yep. That's it. Pretty good job. Being paid to support the players and sometimes even the coaches. Must be that, because who else would be silly enough to support a team that has gone 32-10 over the last two seasons, right?
Fair enough, and thanks, for both the compliments and the suggestions.
Similar threads
