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:( I got bogged down reading 27 daily "we'll never win another game with Mooney" posts and forgot to look for the stuff I actually enjoy reading about like recruiting prospects.
If we catch a little luck we could possibly beat Longwood.
 
Tucker is a 6'8" 2021 SF from Canton, GA.
Dad played football at Tennessee, Mom played basketball at Tennessee.
Just got a Northwestern offer today.
Got Middle Tennessee on Saturday.
Richmond and VCU on 6/15.
Ga Tech on 6/8.
 
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Tucker is a 6'8" 2021 SF from Canton, GA.
Dad played football at Tennessee, Mom played basketball at Tennessee.
Just got a Northwestern offer today.
Got Middle Tennessee on Saturday.
Richmond and VCU on 6/15.
Ga Tech on 6/8.
So basically we already have almost no shot at this kid???
 
Gosh, I hope you’re not in sales or a defense attorney. Lol
Actually, I run an entire Sales & Marketing team, pretty well too.

I’m mostly commenting on the excuse-riddled philosophy several of our posters have that we are rarely going to be competitive for someone with P5 offers.

I for one think CM should be able to sell these guys on coming to UR, but I’m actually in Sales.
 
every kid is different and without knowing him there's no way of knowing our chances.
but a guess says if Tennessee offers he'll be done.
 
every kid is different and without knowing him there's no way of knowing our chances.
but a guess says if Tennessee offers he'll be done.
That reminds me...
I was expecting a Grant Williams grad transfer in the next month.
That might change some predictions...
 
Actually, I run an entire Sales & Marketing team, pretty well too.

I’m mostly commenting on the excuse-riddled philosophy several of our posters have that we are rarely going to be competitive for someone with P5 offers.

I for one think CM should be able to sell these guys on coming to UR, but I’m actually in Sales.
Not meant as a serious comment on your success or profession. I was just getting on you about not
giving us a chance. And yes, I think CM should be able to bring in more quality players to UR.
 
Not meant as a serious comment on your success or profession. I was just getting on you about not
giving us a chance. And yes, I think CM should be able to bring in more quality players to UR.
I didn’t take offense nor take it seriously. Mostly a preemptive reaction to the likely reasons forthcoming that we can’t compete for guys with P5 offers.
 
Saw Kolek a couple times this summer. really good player. tough lefty combo guard. we'd be very happy with him.

positionally ... he can definitely play PG, moreso than Woj or Goose, and we don't have an incoming freshman PG so I guess it makes sense. always thought a big man was a bigger need in this class though. we'd have to add a bunch of those the following year.
 
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Saw Kolek a couple times this summer. really good player. tough lefty combo guard. we'd be very happy with him.

positionally ... he can definitely play PG, moreso than Woj or Goose, and we don't have an incoming freshman PG so I guess it makes sense. always thought a big man was a bigger need in this class though. we'd have to add a bunch of those the following year.
Sman, how did his athleticism and ability to guard the PG position seem? Bonnies offered him, so that is a good sign in my book.

Also, his teammate Matt Knowling from CT is getting some A10 interest. Will likely blow up as he plays for a high profile program that lost 2 D1 guards from the last year. https://www.journalinquirer.com/spo...cle_037f781e-b1fe-11e9-8d1d-bf3c503885fe.html
 
Sman, how did his athleticism and ability to guard the PG position seem? Bonnies offered him, so that is a good sign in my book.
yeah, that's the question. he's not Gilyard quick or anything but he's a good athlete. here's some highlights which of course focus more on his offense. his team is one of the top non-shoe affiliated teams in the northeast and he's the top player on the team. I actually like #15 for us too. you'll see him in the video. Sam Thomson.
 
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Phil Wheeler, a class of 2020 PF playing for Team Rio (NJ), just picked up an offer from Richmond.
ok, in a somewhat bizarre turn of events, Wheeler just signed a pro contract in Italy. 17 year old rising HS senior. offers from Richmond, Providence, Seton Hall and St Johns. rumor has it he had no chance to have the grades or scores for college. don't we talk with a kid's coach about his academics before offering a kid?
 
ok, in a somewhat bizarre turn of events, Wheeler just signed a pro contract in Italy. 17 year old rising HS senior. offers from Richmond, Providence, Seton Hall and St Johns. rumor has it he had no chance to have the grades or scores for college. don't we talk with a kid's coach about his academics before offering a kid?
So you don't think he will be getting into all those schools without athletics? ;)
 
So you don't think he will be getting into all those schools without athletics? ;)
he apparently can't get into those schools even with athletics.

I know we don't have Ivy league requirements or anything, but I assumed we at least ask the basics. good student? took the SAT? what did he get? is he taking it again?

if the answers aren't even close, why would we offer?
 
he apparently can't get into those schools even with athletics.

I know we don't have Ivy league requirements or anything, but I assumed we at least ask the basics. good student? took the SAT? what did he get? is he taking it again?

if the answers aren't even close, why would we offer?
It’s a really good question. See if you can get Ivan to ask on the next call-in show.
 
he apparently can't get into those schools even with athletics.

I know we don't have Ivy league requirements or anything, but I assumed we at least ask the basics. good student? took the SAT? what did he get? is he taking it again?

if the answers aren't even close, why would we offer?

Why not offer? If his grades and SAT were bad, he still had another year to get them up and at least get them accepted by the NCAA. Then, if he wanted to come here, we could put our admissions on the spot and see if they would finally wake up and take someone that the NCAA accepts. I don't see any negative in offering. I actually see a positive here, because if we are offering this type of guy maybe our admissions situation has changed some.
 
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ok, why offer?
kid, we think you're great but you don't have the scores yet. we'll keep in touch. if you get everything where we need it to be, we'll congratulate you and offer on the spot. good luck!

I'm not offering every good basketball player with a pulse. I want a whole lot of good things in a kid, academics being just part of it. we're Richmond ... not some JuCo. have some standards.
 
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ok, why offer?
kid, we think you're great but you don't have the scores yet. we'll keep in touch. if you get everything where we need it to be, we'll congratulate you and offer on the spot. good luck!

I'm not offering every good basketball player with a pulse. I want a whole lot of good things in a kid, academics being just part of it. we're Richmond ... not some JuCo. have some standards.

Your first paragraph is the exact reason to offer. And exactly what should be said when you do offer. There are a lot of kids who manage to get accepted by the NCAA thanks to tutors and a change of attitude. Sometimes it is as simple as a kid deciding he wants to play division 1 basketball and working a little more in the classroom to get there.

No one is asking us to become a juco and lower our standards for every single athlete out there. I just don't see how this offer could hurt us in anyway. You think all of a sudden because of this one offer, anyone out there will look at the University of Richmond differently?

No big deal. We can disagree on this one. I guess not everyone wanted Malcolm Bernard on our team even though the NCAA said it was okay. I know I sure did.
 
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There is a chasm between this situation and Malcolm Bernard.

I agree with that, but unless it's something more than grades that I don't know about, I still see no issue with offering him. There are numerous examples of guys with bad grades and questionable academics who turn things around and not only get into college but do well there. But, like I said to sman, we can disagree. No big deal.
 
I don’t see a huge problem with offering a kid who has terrible grades if you think there’s a chance he can get through admissions.

I do see a huge problem if the staff didn’t know how bad his academics are. Unclear if that’s the case but seems possible.
 
I don’t see a huge problem with offering a kid who has terrible grades if you think there’s a chance he can get through admissions.

I do see a huge problem if the staff didn’t know how bad his academics are. Unclear if that’s the case but seems possible.


I believe there is a restriction as to when staff can see actual grades, etc, unless provided by the recruit or family. So easily see where you act on misleading info.
 
I agree with that, but unless it's something more than grades that I don't know about, I still see no issue with offering him. There are numerous examples of guys with bad grades and questionable academics who turn things around and not only get into college but do well there. But, like I said to sman, we can disagree. No big deal.

You're the one who took the cheap shot. The rest of your post was fine. Obviously "not everyone" wanted MB on the team, or he would have been. I don't know anyone who didn't; perhaps you do. But that's irrelevant to discussion of Wheeler.

Apparently four legit offers weren't enough motivation in this case.

Par for the course. No big deal.
 
So, we’re going to lower our standards to get a basketball player that isn’t a 5 star?
Why?


Legit question, has vcu or Virginia had more than one or two legit 5 stars? I don[t think so, if I'm right that's why you don't limit your exceptions to only 5 stars. But you surely don't do it for a legit two star.
 
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I believe there is a restriction as to when staff can see actual grades, etc, unless provided by the recruit or family. So easily see where you act on misleading info.
Intriguing...seems not terribly helpful to anyone if that’s the case.
 
You're the one who took the cheap shot. The rest of your post was fine. Obviously "not everyone" wanted MB on the team, or he would have been. I don't know anyone who didn't; perhaps you do. But that's irrelevant to discussion of Wheeler.

Apparently four legit offers weren't enough motivation in this case.

Par for the course. No big deal.

Sorry, man. Was not trying to cheap shot anyone. Not sure why you would think that. Speaking of cheap shots, par for what course? Anyway, if this is about grades, guys like Wheeler could get motivated and at least get accepted by the NCAA. Then, instead of still saying no like we did with Bernard, maybe our admissions standards have changed and we could finally say yes to guys like this. That, in my opinion, is why you offer guys with questionable grades. Character, to me, is different, but lots of guys have questionable grades and then turn things around.
 
maybe we offered before he took the SAT. that would explain a lot.

I don't know how someone chooses to not finish a HS degree ... unless he doesn't think he can or unless there's a hardship.

as for taking kids at the NCAA minimum, I know some here push for that but I don't think Richmond is the right school for those kids. there are plenty of colleges for those kids to further their education. Richmond is hard.

the NCAA minimums are a 900 SAT and a 2.3 GPA
 
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Kids all over the country, basketball or no basketball, do not graduate high school. Some that do and have the scores the NCAA requires should be admitted here if they are scholarship worthy. I don't want a whole team of guys like this. I just think it makes sense to make an occasional exception. There is no reason why a guy with a 900 SAT and 2.3 GPA could not do well at Richmond. You get tutors, you get summer classes if you need them, and you get all the help you need from professors when you are an athlete willing to show you care.
 
There is no reason why a guy with a 900 SAT and 2.3 GPA could not do well at Richmond.
I don't know how you can say this. you believe any kid can succeed at UR? my degree is pretty worthless I guess. you're basically saying an employer should not be impressed by it at all.

I can't speak to everyone's experience at UR, but I found it difficult. and my scores and grade were way the hell above those minimums. I don't see where a weak student is finding 4-5 classes per semester at this school and getting by. You may find a few cushy electives. You won't find 40.
 
I don't know how you can say this. you believe any kid can succeed at UR? my degree is pretty worthless I guess. you're basically saying an employer should not be impressed by it at all.

I can't speak to everyone's experience at UR, but I found it difficult. and my scores and grade were way the hell above those minimums. I don't see where a weak student is finding 4-5 classes per semester at this school and getting by. You may find a few cushy electives. You won't find 40.

No worries sman. I agree with you probably over 95% of the time, so no big deal if we disagree on this one. I didn't say any kid could succeed at Richmond. I am simply saying if you recruit a guy with those numbers and the NCAA allows them, AND you like his character and believe he can apply himself and do well here, I am all for giving him a chance. That's all. And, yes, I think plenty of guys like this could do well here in the classroom. I think it is safe to assume quite a few with close to these scores already have.

I don't see how allowing an occasional guy in here ( maybe once every 2 years?) with numbers the NCAA allows would somehow make yours and my degree worthless. I just don't see how that is close to accurate.
 
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