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All 3 are decent teams with Kenpom rankings of 90, 108 and 119 and all were on the road where we were predicted to loss.Exactly. The world-beating Shockers are 1-4 since they beat us, including a 10-point loss in Wichita to South Dakota State. UNI lost to mighty Toledo right after they beat us. Boston College lost to Loyola of Chicago after they beat us. None of those teams are anything to write home about, but unfortunately, neither are we.
Make yourself feel good about being 8-5 with no noteworthy wins all you'd like. But if all we ever do is lose to all the teams we are expected to lose to and beat the ones we are expected to beat, we are an average program, nothing more. I want us to be something more.All 3 are decent teams with Kenpom rankings of 90, 108 and 119 and all were on the road where we were predicted to loss.
In addition, we are also currently ranked 7th in the conference by Kenpom and very close behind 3 others. We are much better than what was expect preseason.
This team is a heck of a lot of fun to watch.
Not sure you can really get an accurate idea of where you stand in your conference based on only OOC games records.Looks like at end of OOC we are 8-5, in 4 way tie for 10th (about where predicted). Only 2 teams under .500 Fordham and URI both 6-7.
C sounds about right. It was a very average OOC stretch this year. The losses to Colorado and Florida are okay. The wins over the bad teams are expected. We went 2-3 against teams from 75-123 in the NET, so I would say overall that is no better than average. It was not the disaster some are making it, and just going 3-2 against those 5 teams and 9-4 overall would have looked a lot better. So, bottom line is we should have found a way to win one more and didn't get it done. But, it's time for IC play and let's see if we can get off to a good start there.Wins:
- vs. VMI (#344 Kenpom, #341 NET) by 18
- vs. Siena (#360 Kenpom, #359 NET) by 42
- Neutral vs. UNLV (#96 Kenpom, #123 NET) by 17
- vs. Queens (#274 Kenpom, #274 NET) by 29
- vs. William & Mary (#318 Kenpom, #317 NET) by 19
- vs. Charlotte (#126 Kenpom, #112 NET) by 8
- vs. Buffalo (#333 Kenpom, #352 NET) by 6
- vs. Lafayette (#345 Kenpom, #347 NET) by 21
Losses:
- at Boston College (#90 Kenpom, #75 NET) by 7
- Neutral vs. Colorado (#25 Kenpom, #30 NET) by 5
- at Wichita State (#119 Kenpom, #107 NET) by 12
- at Northern Iowa (#109 Kenpom, #118 NET) by 5
- Neutral v. Florida (#34 Kenpom, #47 NET) by 9
If I had to grade the OOC, it's probably somewhere in the C range. We can clearly play with top-50 level competition in the right environment, but we haven't proven we can beat top-125 level competition on the road, which we'll face a lot of in conference play. I can't see that trend changing, but hope to be surprised.
That’s why we play ooc games, hopefully we learn from those mistakes made in those games.C sounds about right. It was a very average OOC stretch this year. The losses to Colorado and Florida are okay. The wins over the bad teams are expected. We went 2-3 against teams from 75-123 in the NET, so I would say overall that is no better than average. It was not the disaster some are making it, and just going 3-2 against those 5 teams and 9-4 overall would have looked a lot better. So, bottom line is we should have found a way to win one more and didn't get it done. But, it's time for IC play and let's see if we can get off to a good start there.
This viewpoint is one of the major problems in the program and at UR. Small thinking. If you are a real A10 program, you are playing quality OOC games to build your NCAA tournament resume. OOC games are not scrimmages to find yourself as a team. They are opportunities to get yourself in the NCAA conversation.That’s why we play ooc games, hopefully we learn from those mistakes made in those games.
Agree many variables, unable to get perfect read on where we stand, but it is the only gauge we have at the present.Not sure you can really get an accurate idea of where you stand in your conference based on only OOC games records.
Far from the only one with things like the NET and Kenpom out there. Or eye test, or just looking at schedules and comparing teams.Agree many variables, unable to get perfect read on where we stand, but it is the only gauge we have at the present.
Yep. Certainly way way better than looking at OOC records when everyone is 0-0 IC and saying "we are tied for 10th".We can try Torvik?
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Sorry that offends you, but look at the standings on the A-10 site, we are in a 3 way tie for 10th. https://atlantic10.com/standings.aspx?path=mbballYep. Certainly way way better than looking at OOC records when everyone is 0-0 IC and saying "we are tied for 10th".
LOL...it doesn't offend me. It's just wrong, that's all. We are tied for 1st with 14 other teams at 0-0 in the A-10 right now. Your link shows exactly that.Sorry that offends you, but look at the standings on the A-10 site, we are in a 3 way tie for 10th. https://atlantic10.com/standings.aspx?path=mbball
agreed. OOC record is nothing more than a tiebreaker in the standings.LOL...it doesn't offended me. It's just wrong, that's all. We are tied for 1st with 14 other teams at 0-0 in the A-10 right now. Your link shows exactly that.
All 3 are decent teams with Kenpom rankings of 90, 108 and 119 and all were on the road where we were predicted to loss.
I agree with your first sentence AND probably the rest of your post, but the high energy keeps me believing more than usual. They are definitely more fun to watch. Playing with energy usually leads to confidence and success.This team was certainly more enjoyable to watch than last years. They play with a good energy but like most Mooney team's the mental toughness that is required to win big games just isn't there.
The OOC is very much on par with what we have come to expect from the Mooney era, very average mid-majorish performance.
I suspect we will finish better than we were predicted to finish but far from any type of performance that will allow us to play in the postseason.
This viewpoint is one of the major problems in the program and at UR. Small thinking. If you are a real A10 program, you are playing quality OOC games to build your NCAA tournament resume. OOC games are not scrimmages to find yourself as a team. They are opportunities to get yourself in the NCAA conversation.
so because we were predicted to lose them it is ok that we lost them all? what a shamefully low bar some of you have
I see urmite went Torvik while I went previously with kenpom. And Fan1 reference has them tied for 10th. Lots of ways to look at it. And 80fan stated earlier Spider's A10 OCC SOS was 4th at kenpom but ended 7th. Their national rank was 281st so we can see how weak the A10 scheduled. Not just us!We can try Torvik?
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Post from after game 7 with some A10 change. Dayton at 39 and now 7 teams between 71 and 105 (UR 101 in 7th) TeamR projects Spiders to finish fourth now at 10.5 wins behind also Bonny and Joe's which appears appropriate watching them play. VCU, UMass and Dukes tied at 10.4.Kenny has Dayton at 61 and 6 schools between 79 n 110 (UR 89). TR projects Spiders to finish second at 11.4 wins for second place.
This the season where Mooney tells me this is “as good as it gets” in the quality of coach that higher-ups can get leading the Spiders or continue with feeling we need a change. Mooney's final exam.
LOL because as G and Torvik/Kenpom state, it's an W. So I know what we expect from the team. First Mooney test of the year for me. 🤞Tiny favorite and HOME = automatic win. Sorry Bonnies.
Semantics, the league put them in order, i didn't, using what they had to work with, all OOC. The league does not show all teams tied on on first line since no league games have been played. But it is all irrelevant after tomorrow night, since we have the bye we should be in the middle with just IC games ranked.LOL...it doesn't offend me. It's just wrong, that's all. We are tied for 1st with 14 other teams at 0-0 in the A-10 right now. Your link shows exactly that.
Completely agree and as you put out our roster is a bunch of senior players, with all of our impactful players being seniors. Shouldn't this even by our very loose standards of when we should be competitive be "the year" we really compete for an at large? But yet, you feel no sense of urgency from Mooney, at all. The program seems satisfied with 8-5 and effectively being eliminated from at large contention at the end of OOC. Not surprised, because we have a thousand excuses (transfer portal and NIL are the new ones) as to why we never have to hold ourselves to some type of standard for success.Still much to be written this year, and every year should have urgency, but to me this was a go for it year even by our standards.
Might show up but respectfully 97 just don't how you can say that from what we have seen so far. Every one of their losses UR was the dog and they even upset UNLV being the line was +3. And I agree they have been enjoyable to watch! For me that being putting away the cupcakes with little stress that was always absent from previous teams.This team was certainly more enjoyable to watch than last years. They play with a good energy but like most Mooney team's the mental toughness that is required to win big games just isn't there.
Hardt and PQ have won. This is right. There really is no expectation other than to hope we are going to pull it together enough in A10 play to be well positioned for an A10 tourney run. This season, the BC game was essentially the bellweather game. We were up big, and just faded. Then we heard how they were an "ACC Team" and had "ACC athletes" so of course the first 15 minutes were fools gold and would have been a monumental upset to actually win the game. Thus the expectations were confirmed. No use getting bothered anymore - though I know some of us still do.
Don't forget, we were playing on the road at the infamous Silvio Conte Forum AKA The Temple Of Doom to an absolutely (45%) packed ravenous crowd of crazed Boston College basketball fans. Really tough to walk away with a win in that environment!