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First off, BC is as good academically as we are (or at least not significantly off). Second, Cornell and Penn would blow chunks in the A10.
We don’t want this profile of a coach, especially one that showed he can’t cut it against better competition. If we want to grow our basketball stature (which most here do), we need a coach who can recruit “those types of players” (as you said) and coach them up. Donahue can do neither.
Like many think, we’re not going to be paying our new coach $1.2 million off the bat. Let’s say we pay our new coach $500,000 a year starting salary (reasonable?). That would leave $700,000 we would be saving that could go towards buying out Mooney contract which would be $3.6 million since he has 3 years left on his contract after this. Since we would be saving the $700K a year by only paying our new coach $500K a year that means we would only need to acquire an additional $1.5 million for the buyout contract [$3.6 million - ($700,000 x 3)]. For those who are more familiar with these types of things, is this plausible? Does my thinking make sense?
There was some talk the last time Mooney was extended by a year that somehow that might have reduced the buyout. Not sure if this was the case or not.
The other point here is that if we make the NCAA tournament with a new coach at some point in the next couple years, that ends up netting us more than $1 million over the six years we'd be receiving money from it.
Yep. Hopefully we have learned that when you give a 10-year contract, you better make the tourney at least 5 or 6 times. If you can't guarantee that will happen, don't give a 10-year contract. A big failure on Jim Miller's part.
I think we will need to pay 700,000 to 800,000 to get a coach we want. Next guy will look at our situation and may want to stay put. How much does an NBA assistant make?
I heard about it before it was brought up here, so I'm hoping there is truth to it.
It stands to reason that if he felt he needed four years to convince recruits he was safe, that someone would ask for him to forego any buyout on the added year(s).
17 we would pay the new coach more than 500k for sure. We have like 15-20 good options & we’d get like 3 of them for 500k. No reason to be cheap. Now would we pay what we’re paying Mooney? No. So your point about getting some money back is valid. Just saying it’s gonna be lot higher than 500.
I think you better check your math on that one.
Each NCAA game earns a "unit" for the conference, divided by however many teams are in that conference. It takes a lot of units for each A-10 school to receive $1 million each.
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/03/19/whats-an-ncaa-tournament-upset-worth-units-big-bucks.html
My recollection is the A-10 gives the bulk of the unit to the school that earns it -- 60% sticks in my mind, and the rest is divided among the remaining league teams. So we've been getting some money even though we have not been to the Dance. But the bigger bucks are gone.
Yep. 275k a year roughly, for each of six years. Though the amount increases a bit each year. So if you make the tourney, you earn about $1.7 million for your league. If we keep 60 % of that, it's a little more than $1 million.
If you win a game, you get twice as much, and so on.
If you win a game, you get twice as much, and so on.
Think based on talk from years past on the A10 board the team that earns the unit gets 75% and the rest is divided up among the rest of the teams. Not making the tournament in so long does have major financial implications for us.
Based on our record of non-NCAAs, believe we had last our earned credits pay out in 2017.
Based on our record of non-NCAAs, believe we had last our earned credits pay out in 2017.
keep in mind when JM did this deal, we were all yelling and screaming that the school had to step up and retain CM whatever it took or it meant we were not serious. would suggest that the money paid and the years demanded is what he and the school had to do in order to do what we all wanted. so at least give Jim a little bit of a break on this. on the other hand spoke with a former AD and he indicated that the 10 year demand would have been a deal breaker for him but have to remember a deal of that length is supposed to protect both parties and nobody could have foreseen what happened subsequently. we expected the program to grow and continue to be in great shape and thus if some big school came sniffing around, would have cost them some big bucks to steal him away. did not work out the way either we or CM would have wanted it to but the school stepped up and did what was needed at that time. hindsight is 20-20
Yeah, that's what Jim says, but we were not *all* yelling for it.
This is revisionist history you spin oh spinner, this was a terrible idea, and most were ok with retaining Moonion, but not for 10 freaking years. Makes no sense. If we hire a guy next and he takes us to the elite 8, extend him out to a total of five years no more.
it is certainly how i recall it, most on here would have been calling for JMs head on a stick if he let CM get away. think some of us, me not included, have short memories. personally, would not have gone the 10 years without regurgitating but must have been what was needed at that time. "most" does not include every person on here but feel is accurate as to how many wanted CM retained whatever it took. that is why it is so laughable that posters on social media everywhere are expert at everyone else's job and responsibilities when in reality we all sit in our homes and offices with no pressure of those jobs. we can coach better, administer better, as long as we don't actually have to do it.
Our formula should be - get a good coach - pay him a good salary - offer nice bonuses for success - extend no more than 4 years if needed. Repeat as needed. If he/she is so wildly successful that a power 5/7 school lures him away it means that our program is healthy. Hire a new coach and keep on going. What we gave right now is "the tail wagging the dog" to borrow a phrase.
I agree. Four or five years is as long as an extension should be. If a P5 ever wants and takes one of our coaches, it would not be hard to find another quality coach because our program would be in great shape if this happened.
Agree 64 and VT. The model should be to be so successful that our current coach is getting offers from P6, and the next hot coaches will be clamoring for a Richmond offer. The system broke with Jim Miller.
And, like VCU did with Shaka I'm assuming the buyout they got from Texas was a nice chunk. Miller took a gamble (which after watching what happen to Gillen and Groh was not smart, even at the time) now that gamble is blowing up horribly.
I suspect that seeing PQ's checkbook compelled Miller to take that gamble.
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I will waive my "No p6 assistant without college head coaching experience" for Luke Yaklich next year.
Pros - A) coaching under JB B) Defensive improvement since he joined as defensive specialist is significant C) has a bit of h.s. head coaching experience and success. D) I like the looks of him, gut feeling
Cons - A)actual overall records as head h.s. coach not great B) Spider23's gut feeling
Pros - A) coaching under JB B) Defensive improvement since he joined as defensive specialist is significant C) has a bit of h.s. head coaching experience and success. D) I like the looks of him, gut feeling
Cons - A)actual overall records as head h.s. coach not great B) Spider23's gut feeling
What ever happened to merit and performance based salaries?
Guaranteed money = complacency
Guaranteed money = complacency
Totally agree Rick. I feel like Mooney, despite any coaching shortcomings, HAD to win in his early years. Had the look and feel of a super motivated coach. I remember going to a game at Fordham when we had KA and Gonzo. We played a stinker of a half. At halftime, I went to the pisser, which happened to be near the UR locker room. I passed Mooney coming out of the locker room, he was radiating anger and disgust. Now he just hopes our perpetual young guys can compete.
I've decided to throw my hat in the ring, and here is the contract I'm asking for:
I hope I get the job...
- More than 4 seasons
- $.12 million a year
- and a buyout clause that becomes null and void if either:
any opposing team scores over 50 points in a game
or
my team fails to hit over 50% from three
or
my team fails to hit over 50% from three
I'd agree Luke Yaklich no.1 assistant. College. Chris Fleming No.1 if add in NBA. I do like Carlin Hartman but Mooney connection likely too much to overcome. Hurt by that and the many legit names in front of him but never know. I'd put Lake Braddock's own Hubert Davis on there, but probably waiting out Mr. Roy so not the most realistic either. But step up Hardt. Or waddle, whatever.
Gut feeling, nausea. Can JtHardt step up? What gives me a little bit of hope is he did hire Paulsen out of Williams, and then Davis out of RMC. So maybe he could find his way to a Yaklich, or Pat Beilein. Only speculation, I know Pat Beilein name gonna get some cray cray. Or JtHardt closes the deal on sitting low/mid major guys...like Wes Miller, Grant, Kelsey, Becker, Richey. He probably had some help at Bucknell with those hires...Gut feeling. Now he has PQ. Wall Street. Oh no.
I still say Williford. That system would stifle so many A10 offenses, even with our current crop of players.
Pack line still works for UVA, Xavier, and presumably Louisville. I would imagine that pack line would be effective in the A-10. UVA not very exciting to watch unless you really love low-scoring, defensively oriented basketball.
I would be OK with Williford as our coach, especially if he can recruit.
#NoMoreMooneyTruthing
I would be OK with Williford as our coach, especially if he can recruit.
#NoMoreMooneyTruthing
It's the other team that's low scoring. UVA scored 100 points recently. I would welcome a consistent string of 60 to 55 wins. Tony Bennett is one of the top 5 coaches in the country imo, UVA is fortunate to have him.
Any rumors if there are any moves being made in the A.D’s office? Or, are we still in a hold
pattern?
pattern?
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