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Nate Oats and Early Grant should be our clear top 2 coaches to go after right now. They've done a tremendous job with their respective programs
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How about me. I figured the problem and came up with a solution and told my grandson. He said I know why don't they do something different, you should be the coach!
So I now have references and would be happy to accept a million $ paycheck for a couple of years.
So I now have references and would be happy to accept a million $ paycheck for a couple of years.
Buffalo with a convincing victory at Syracuse. Nate Oats has a senior laden team in Buffalo that is now 11-0 and #14 in the country.
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/scoreboard/_/group/6
Back to Wes Miller. Winner gets 1 mill/year as the new Richmond coach.
Back to Wes Miller. Winner gets 1 mill/year as the new Richmond coach.
More Nate Oats info. He’s taken Buffalo to the ncaa tournament 2 of the first 3 years and has them at 11-0 and #14 in the country in his 4th year here. Not just that, he’s a fantastic recruiter. He got two 4 star recruits with other P5 offers in the class of 2018.
http://www.espn.com/colleges/basketball/recruiting/school/_/id/2084/class/2018
http://www.espn.com/colleges/basketball/recruiting/school/_/id/2084/class/2018
Many reasons. He makes $600,000 now. He can double his salary here, be in a better conference, and coach for a program with more resources dedicated to it. Plus, his Buffalo team is a very senior-laden team. Buffalo will more than likely drop next year. Oats stock right now is at an all time high. Perfect time to move programs. If it’s us versus a P5, that’ll be a tough battle, but if it’s us versus Buffalo I think we are a more attractive option
He's probably the hottest coach in the country though. I mean I'm all for trying, but some P5 school will throw 5 years and $15 million at him.
He's the new version of Kevin Keatts, who I wanted three years ago. Keats blew up and NC State gave him a fortune. We probably need to go a level below Oats.
He's the new version of Kevin Keatts, who I wanted three years ago. Keats blew up and NC State gave him a fortune. We probably need to go a level below Oats.
I won’t be bummed if we lose him to a P5, but I think we have a lot to offer. I also would be ok having him for 4-5 years before he moves up to P5. I hope Hardt has a list of coaches to reach out to come March with Oats at the top of that list
Yes, there’s no doubt he’s going to a P5 school. Could he get Richmond to #14? Maybe, but that’s more of a lateral move. Clearly a major conference team is going to see a guy who took Buffalo that high and reward him with a job. Please, let’s be realistic here. We are looking at good coaches of lesser, non-ranked programs, or assistants of P5 programs. That’s it.
After Roy Williams being extended to close to his 100th birthday I have renewed hope for a Dick Tarrant redux..................
A name we have mentioned previously:
Russell Turner Evaluation:
Pro's
Has won fairly consistently at UC-Irvine, since 1st two losing seasons
From the 'Noke, Roanoke native played on top 5 h.s. team at PH, two time D3 all american and 2,000 pt scorer at HSC
Last 5 years has finished either 1st or 2nd in conference (Big West)- I value being able to win as a HC against your competition (as opposed to all of the folks pining for p6 assistants (off the top of my head these no HC experience assistants have about the same success rate as Bill Belichick assistants
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May be interested in coming home, or close to home anyway
Cons
1 NCAA in 7 years at Irvine (hard to get bid out of this league, but maybe too much like Mooney in this regard?)
0-0-1 vs Spider23's h.s. team (in his defense this was a 1/2 game in a jamboree and 1st team was spanking us in 1st quarter)
I bring this guy up as I feel the "local" connection is something that may be attractive. Yes, the Nate Oats of the world are not coming - lateral move and why leave NCAA talent for the risk to rebuild and hurt your resume.
I see some P6 assistants doing well, and see other hyped one's doing terrible. I think that is a bigger crap shoot than a proven D1 HC.
Russell Turner Evaluation:
Pro's
Has won fairly consistently at UC-Irvine, since 1st two losing seasons
From the 'Noke, Roanoke native played on top 5 h.s. team at PH, two time D3 all american and 2,000 pt scorer at HSC
Last 5 years has finished either 1st or 2nd in conference (Big West)- I value being able to win as a HC against your competition (as opposed to all of the folks pining for p6 assistants (off the top of my head these no HC experience assistants have about the same success rate as Bill Belichick assistants
)May be interested in coming home, or close to home anyway
Cons
1 NCAA in 7 years at Irvine (hard to get bid out of this league, but maybe too much like Mooney in this regard?)
0-0-1 vs Spider23's h.s. team (in his defense this was a 1/2 game in a jamboree and 1st team was spanking us in 1st quarter
)I bring this guy up as I feel the "local" connection is something that may be attractive. Yes, the Nate Oats of the world are not coming - lateral move and why leave NCAA talent for the risk to rebuild and hurt your resume.
I see some P6 assistants doing well, and see other hyped one's doing terrible. I think that is a bigger crap shoot than a proven D1 HC.
Bob Richey
Pros
35-10 as HC at Furman
He has FURMAN in the top 25
He is not Mooney
Hard to argue what he has done in 1.3 seasons as a HC
Cons
Limited experience, not a deal breaker but some unknowns
Is he winning with previous coaches players?
I like the idea, but again - if he has a team in place that can continue this success, and he feel confident can continue to win big for 2 years, why not keep winning there and then leapfrog us?
Like the sounds of him, he did take over a very good situation, but this article gives him a lot of credit for recruiting and coching up the POY guards on Furman.
http://www.furmanpaladins.com/sports/m-baskbl/2016-17/releases/20170407g9p016
http://www.furmanpaladins.com/sports/m-baskbl/2016-17/releases/20170407g9p016
Better conference? Just having Buffalo in that conference makes it better than ours this year.
Fan1, do you have any sense of how Hardt would go about making a coaching hire.
Seems like the approaches I read about are:
1) AD does it himself - obviously using input from all his resources and his network
2) Search Firm - Have read HORROR stories about terrible (agency incestous) recommendations. Not a fan.
3) some type of committee. I volunteer.
Seems like the approaches I read about are:
1) AD does it himself - obviously using input from all his resources and his network
2) Search Firm - Have read HORROR stories about terrible (agency incestous) recommendations. Not a fan.
3) some type of committee. I volunteer.
A few things to note on this coaching search:
1) Mooney has driven our program so low, that many on this board are over valuing UR as a true step up, or logical stepping stone move.
2) Number 1 being true, offering more money can overcome this possibly. We can't be going in expecting to offer a Wes Miller type $500k, we need to make it hard to turn down in lieu of being more lateral now.
3) I like our players, but many of these guys have built very good rosters that they know and trust, and have had big time success - hard to leave that - especially with so many unknowns on our roster, and lack of depth. Coaching changes bring transfers and re-shifting to bring in your type of players. Why leave another mid major job you are having success to come to our mid major with likely rebuild?
All of this said, I think this board is identifying some great prospects, but we are severely over valuing our current status in the hoops world. That is a problem statement that Hardt and PQ will need to overcome.
1) Mooney has driven our program so low, that many on this board are over valuing UR as a true step up, or logical stepping stone move.
2) Number 1 being true, offering more money can overcome this possibly. We can't be going in expecting to offer a Wes Miller type $500k, we need to make it hard to turn down in lieu of being more lateral now.
3) I like our players, but many of these guys have built very good rosters that they know and trust, and have had big time success - hard to leave that - especially with so many unknowns on our roster, and lack of depth. Coaching changes bring transfers and re-shifting to bring in your type of players. Why leave another mid major job you are having success to come to our mid major with likely rebuild?
All of this said, I think this board is identifying some great prospects, but we are severely over valuing our current status in the hoops world. That is a problem statement that Hardt and PQ will need to overcome.
The A10 is definitely a better conference than the MAC. A10 has always been considered a high mid major and we were even top 7 conference in the country just a few years ago. We’ve been a 3+ bid league for over a decade, which looks like the streak will end this year.
To be successful we need to think big. There are a lot of selling points we have as a school and basketball program that many coaches would love to be a part of. There’s no reason to think we can’t land the Nate Oats or Earl Grants of the coaching world. I don’t want us to just settle for less without trying because we think we can’t do better. That’s a defeatist mentality. We are a school with top-notch basketball facilities, pay coaches very well, have chartered flights and other amenities, play in a high mid-major conference, and have a beautiful campus in a great city.
17, I completely agree that we do need to swing for the fences. Just saying that in our current Toxic Malaise, we will need to show the $ and will need to do a sell job. Hope Hardt is up for both.
I think our lack of success and history of giving our basketball coaches long leashes to achieve success can actually be a selling point for Hardt. Oats won’t feel the pressure as much to achieve high success as quickly here as he would a P5 and will have job security longer here then he would a P5.
Oats isn't coming here. Period. Full stop. There are NO scenarios under which we get him short of he loses every game the rest of the way and his players are in open revolt. Not only is he going P5 if his succeeds continues, but even if somehow no P5 wanted him, he isn't coming here. One, we aren't going to attractive in the least from a basketball perspective with our 7-23 record and rather thin talent pool (that may be thinned further by defections) Two, if its somehow us and Buffalo, you can bet your ass Buffalo does all the same stuff for him we did for Moon back when we were, you know , relevant. Big salary bump, assistant raises, facilities etc. There is zero chance.
Chasing the sun and the moon wont show how committed we are or make us look better because we are "in" with all the big names etc. it will just publicize and bring attention to more failure (this time off the court) and make us more unattractive. It will also slow us down which is death. Our path is going to be to work stealthily behind the scenes over the next 2+ months to identify and woo the right guy and pounce immediately as the season ends in a scenario where the first and only thing you hear about our search is that we have just named xxxxxx our new coach (which should come either 2 days after we fire Mooney or one day after said Coach's season ends.
Quick is huge when it comes to keeping players. The new guy has to get with them ASAP to try and get them enthused about the future BEFORE they start to get enthused about their future somewhere else! We have an advantage now in one sense. We should absolutely know we are firing Mooney. That frees us up to work on a new coach now (behind the scenes etc.). Some places that will fire their coaches aren't as sure as we should be as they wait for their season to play out etc. We should take advantage of this little head start. it one of the few advantages we will really have.
Chasing the sun and the moon wont show how committed we are or make us look better because we are "in" with all the big names etc. it will just publicize and bring attention to more failure (this time off the court) and make us more unattractive. It will also slow us down which is death. Our path is going to be to work stealthily behind the scenes over the next 2+ months to identify and woo the right guy and pounce immediately as the season ends in a scenario where the first and only thing you hear about our search is that we have just named xxxxxx our new coach (which should come either 2 days after we fire Mooney or one day after said Coach's season ends.
Quick is huge when it comes to keeping players. The new guy has to get with them ASAP to try and get them enthused about the future BEFORE they start to get enthused about their future somewhere else! We have an advantage now in one sense. We should absolutely know we are firing Mooney. That frees us up to work on a new coach now (behind the scenes etc.). Some places that will fire their coaches aren't as sure as we should be as they wait for their season to play out etc. We should take advantage of this little head start. it one of the few advantages we will really have.
I talked about Richey but can't take credit that was someone else. He's definitely in the mix. Niko Medved is a good coach and really built Furman. That would be main concern. Now Richey is taking them to whole new remarkable level this year and deserves credit to for helping build up too as assistant. I think there are some better options but I could get behind him.
But that's the point really. Lot of options. Do a real search. If you get to Richey good. But I won't respect our AD if he just defaults right to Nathan Davis. Ok he's in mix too but there are way too many very good options out there not to legitimately look at lot of coaches. Or pull in somebody maybe we shouldn't realistically be able to get. And he's got ton of time to do all the prep work in advance.
And if there is no search well then we know Jabba the Hardt just a puppet for PQ.
But that's the point really. Lot of options. Do a real search. If you get to Richey good. But I won't respect our AD if he just defaults right to Nathan Davis. Ok he's in mix too but there are way too many very good options out there not to legitimately look at lot of coaches. Or pull in somebody maybe we shouldn't realistically be able to get. And he's got ton of time to do all the prep work in advance.
And if there is no search well then we know Jabba the Hardt just a puppet for PQ.
If the search is going on behind the scenes would we know?
aren't ADs in constant search mode, always having potential candidates in mind? They never know when a vacancy might come up.
I'm talking about today and now. The MAC is arguably a better conference top to bottom this year. We will not even be a top 10 conference this year. A few years ago is long gone. Wait until we lose St. Louis and or one of a host of other good fits for the BE to the BE and it will get significantly uglier. Almost time to find another place to play.
if the guy at buffalo looks at what he can recruit there as opposed to what he can recruit here, he would laugh (did he recruit the current squad or was that hurley?). any new coach coming here should demand new admission standards, nothing drastic but certainly some more flexibility and in writing. agree with MO, we will most likely not offer to a new guy, depending on the new guy, what CM is earning currently.
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